OFFICAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE THREAD

[sabbat hunter]

time to start talking about the debate!

[Debi]

1. Who is rooting for whom tonight?? n/t

[jenmito]

2. I'm rooting for Obama. n/t

[Omaha Steve]

5. We are an AFL-CIO household

Edwards ALL the way!!!!

[rodeodance]

8. same here:-)

[rodeodance]

9. what was the Question?

[rodeodance]

3. what are the questions. I am not able to view it.

[Debi]

10. It's on MSNBC - can you get it on line? n/t

[rodeodance]

14. no, I tried.

[Omaha Steve]

13. MSNBC viewing link 4 hi speed net

http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?f=00&g=6f7854c3-ec3e-4f91-8191-4c7b9390b7b2&p=hotvideo_m_edpicks&t=m5&rf=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/&fg=

[Debi]

21. Thanks Steve! n/t

[rodeodance]

4. REC

[rodeodance]

6. and THANKS for starting the thread

[Debi]

7. Oh MAN! Go Dennis and take on NAFTA!! n/t

[soulcore]

11. Unelectable my ass!

Too bad his being short trumps his policies and views and ideals.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. FWIW

The only 2008 political bumper sticker I've seen in this very red part of the country was for Kucinich. Not even a sticker for former governor Huckabee-but Dennis has a fan (besides me) in NW Arkansas !

[rodeodance]

12. needs a few RECS

[Debi]

15. Live Blog from MSNBC Link

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/

[L. Coyote]

17. Is it streaming on the Web anywhere?

[sabbat hunter]

40. yes it is

www.msnbc.com

[Ethelk2044]

18. Obama of course.

:applause:

[Debi]

19. Scrap or fix NAFTA?

Did anyone catch Clinton and Richardson's response? (I heard Richardson would fire all Union buster attorneys :bounce:)

Obama - Fix it
Biden - fix it
Dodd is up

[bigdarryl]

20. None off these BOOZOS want to get rid of NAFTA

UNBELIEVABLE

[Debi]

22. Kucinich will SCRAP NAFTA n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

25. One of many reasons Dennis is DA MAN! n/t

[babylonsister]

28. And got a great reaction! nt

[rodeodance]

23. "No lights at Wrigley Field" T-shirt.

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
Clinton started with a pander line of being a Bears fan and invoking that her dad woulda been proud of his little girl on the 10-yard-line. She did something similar with her YearlyKos Cubs' line that she still has a "No lights at Wrigley Field" T-shirt.

Not to be out done, Obama welcomed the crowd to Chicago -- the "home of the NFC champion Bears."

[rodeodance]

is the stadium FULL?

[Debi]

29. Looks pretty full n/t

[Debi]

24. Clinton says she's a winner and she's our girl n/t

[bigdarryl]

27. there she does again using the gender card

[Placebo]

55. Would you prefer she said, "I'm your guy!"

??? lol

As Hillary said in a debate before, "I can't run as anything but a woman."

Deal. With. It.

[earthlover]

93. But. Of. Course. If. Someone. Votes. For. A. Man. Because. He. Is. A. Man. That. Is. Sexist.

Can you imagine Biden or Obama or Edwards saying something like..."well that is a complex issue, but, as a man, I believe...."

The Hillary Bloviators would blow a head gasket!

Just sayin'.

[rodeodance]

26. Obama sort of dodged the first question and decided to focus solely on Iraq

From NBC's Chuck Todd
Obama sort of dodged the first question and decided to focus solely on Iraq and whether we're safer now or not after 9/11. Interesting decision on his part; clearly he'd like to have a conversation about foreign policy tonight. The question was NOT designed to elicit a foreign policy answer.

[jenmito]

32. I don't think he "dodged" it, but he DID take his time to focus on Iraq

and Afghanistan. I don't think he should've done that but I guess he felt he needed to come right out and point out his differences with Clinton and Edwards re: the war.

[jenmito]

43. oops-delete-posted in wrong place

[rodeodance]

30. Obama, Clinton, Edwards and -- yes -- Kucinich got the biggest applause

Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:01 PM by Mark Murray
Categories: Democratic debates
From NBC's Mark Murray
Obama, Clinton, Edwards and -- yes -- Kucinich got the biggest applause lines from the crowd in Olbermann's introduction, even though the crowd was instructed to hold off their applause until the end.

[Debi]

31. Both Obama and Biden see the problem with China

Oh, so does Clinton. We owe them money...lots and lots of money. How to hold China accountable when we're indebted to them.

[rodeodance]

33. The candidates will have cool air pumped on the stage. After all

From NBC's Chuck Todd
SOLDIER FIELD -- Well, the weather cooperated (I think); Why, "I think"? Because it's still hot... but rain would have been a major downer... This certainly is a more unique debate than anything online. We're in a football stadium; if only Brent Musberger were doing the P.A. right now to announce that "YOU ARE LOOKIN' LIVE, At SOLDIER FIELD in Chicago..."

Anyway, expect this forum to turn into a debate.

BTW, it's hot, with a capital "H." Biden just now on stage asked, "Man, where are THOSE air conditioners..." The candidates will have cool air pumped on the stage. After all, they are going to be standing up there for more than 90 minutes.

[mikelgb]

34. omg Kucinich! ROTFLOL

[flying rabbit]

38. Damn!

:spray:

[rodeodance]

41. From NBC's Chuck Todd

From NBC's Chuck Todd
Clinton is calling for a "broad reform" of NAFTA and other trade agreements. She did not say scrap it. As for the rest of the field: Richardson appeared to duck saying whether he'd do anything to reform or scrap NAFTA; Obama called for amending NAFTA by noting, BTW, that he'd call a couple of world leaders; Biden seems to want to amend it; Dodd wants modify it; Edwards says "fix it," minor surprise he didn't say "scrap it"? Edwards took a DIRECT shot at Clinton with the "Fortune" magazine shot. Kucinich is the only one to say scrap NAFTA.

[rodeodance]

42. From NBC's Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
Clinton's message is get on board. She's at it again, painting herself the most electable, the inevitable front-runner -- even though she might not necessarily do everything big labor wants.

[bigdarryl]

35. Kucinich is KILLING them in this debate my goodness he's on fire tonight

but you know MSNBC will say there favorite candidate Hillary won tonight MY PREDICTION

[sabbat hunter]

80. Kucinich did great

on the health care question. but one thing I would disagree with him on is the copayment issue. That is needed for paperwork costs (Which will still need to be done under a single payer system)

The co-payment needed probably would be about 5-10 dollars.

[lyonn]

36. Do we have great candidates or what!

Still leaning heavily towards Biden. Edwards is lookin' good and speaking well this evening.

[superkia]

37. Some candidates talking more about bush

than spending their time explaining to us what they could do for us? Hmmm, lets see I have no really good answer,, ah hah, throw out anti bush comment for some applause woohoo! Some of these people don't represent themselves very well but they get the cheers so that must mean they should be our next president!

[Debi]

39. Here's another link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1536610

[rodeodance]

44. "I will continue taking your financial support." The line got some laughs.

Another pander bear?
Posted: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:17 PM by Mark Murray
Categories: Democratic debates

From NBC's Mark Murray
In Richardson's shout-out to organized labor, he added: "I will continue taking your financial support." The line got some laughs.

[Yael]

Pander bear? Nah -- it was well times and very funny

Richardson is a riot. :)

[Yael]

47. Pander bear? Nah -- it was well times and very funny

Richardson is a riot. :)

[jenmito]

45. Did Hillary just steal Obama's line about having to be smarter getting out of Iraq

than we were going in???

[Yael]

46. So what is the difference between Edward's and Clinton's Iraq Plan

Sounded like the same 3 points to me -- or did I miss something?

1. Start withdrawl
2. Press the Iraqi gov't
3. Diplomatic pressure

[bigdarryl]

48. WHY do they keep asking Hillary to respond after Obama has his say

looks like a setup to me

[jenmito]

49. YAY!!! Obama stuck to his guns re: Pakistan and got cheered and Hillary got booed!!!

I loved it.

[superkia]

53. Made me get goose bumps!

I don't understand what a debate is if you are not supposed to speak about the opponents stand on issues, why is that tearing down the Democrats? They should debate and make us aware of things we may not know but should.

[Yael]

50. "With Musharraf" "Without Musharraf"

Obama is contradicting himself with Dodd's cross challenge. :(

[rufus dog]

52. how so

Said he would support him but if actions were not taken then he would step in.

[Yael]

62. I thought his response to Dodd

was that he will only work WITH Musharraf -- nothing about unilateral (as was his original opinion).

Dodd's anger and Biden's ego are pissing me off, so I may be missing someting. I remain open to correction (I am Edwards then Obama and ABC) and will watch for the YouTubes (or MSNBC reruns) so that I can watch this again in all fairness.

[rufus dog]

73. fair enough

Not picking up on the Dodd anger, but try as I do to like Biden, he can be let the EGO GET TOO OUT OF CONTROL.

[Yael]

79. I must have 20 posts on here tonight

about the two of them and the duelling ego issue.

Time to THIN THE HERD so that these debates are meaningful. The other 5 are doing just fine and Mr. Gravel is always a pleasure.

[jenmito]

83. He said, in his original speech and again tonight...

that he'd work WITH Musharraf, offer incentives, etc., and if he STILL doesn't cooperate if we get actionable intel. where bin Laden is, THEN he'd strike unilaterally.

[Yael]

90. But not at YKos on Sat

That was the comment about unilateralism

[rufus dog]

51. seems like Obama won the Pakistan portion of the debate N/T

[jenmito]

54. He sure did-and Hillary lost BIG TIME! Not to mention Obama was attacked by Dodd, too.

He stuck it to them. :)

[jenmito]

57. And now BIDEN just got booed for trying to downplay Obama's answer!

I think Obama will gain big time points for this!

[polichick]

64. Dodd made more sense imo. nt

[mucifer]

56. that was REALLY tacky of Biden not to answer the question from the

miner's wife.

[jenmito]

59. I agree. And the audience let him know. n/t

[jillan]

61. ouch - I agree.

[proud patriot]

75. I agree

That added a very ugly tension x(

[cbear70]

91. I was yelling at Biden

I could not believe he did that.. not happy..:banghead: :banghead:

[creeksneakers2]

96. I thought that too

Worst answer of the night.

[Yael]

58. Biden is a flaming asshole!!

Damn almighty -- can we just get him off the plate already?

Blew off the coal miner widow's question to PONTIFICATE his SOUNDBYTE about Pakistan? Just because he wasn't in the Obama scrap 10 minutes ago?

I want to puke.

[ulysses]

60. Richardson dodging on job losses.

[bigdarryl]

63. what the hell is Keith doing have they forgoten Edwards is at this bebate

[polichick]

65. Yeah, and this was supposed to be his night...

WTF???

[Yael]

70. No worries -- this is a good thing

Let Biden and Dodd keep their rants up to at least thin the herd so that the upcoming debates are at least meaningful...

[Clintonista2]

69. I started watching at 7:20, and I havent seen him once

[sabbat hunter]

85. where is gravel n/t

[jenmito]

106. He said he couldn't get his papers filed in time or something like that.

He was on MSNBC earlier today.

[mucifer]

66. wow

[polichick]

67. Most poignant moment...

The man who was devastated because he couldn't provide healthcare for his family.

[Yael]

72. Indeed.

[Stinky The Clown]

68. "What's wrong with America and what will you do about it?"

Wow. Just wow.

That man said it all and said it a way that should be clear to the most uncaring son of a bitch on the other side.

[mucifer]

71. clever of Hilary to go back to the mine question.

[polichick]

74. Hillary is most definitely clever...

Bet she plays a mean game of chess!

[Yael]

76. My cat is watching the debate with me

She is 17 but still sharp as a tack. When Biden shot off his ego (er, I mean mouth) on that one, she gave me a look that said, "one of the others should jump on this".

There you have it. Biden is dumber than a rock. Heard first here from me to you (as a PA/DE line resident).

Time for him to go home now. :hi:

[sabbat hunter]

77. undocumented workers path to citizenship

the path way is to come here legally.

Heavily fine and go after with all fury to those companies that hire illegals.

Increase legal immigration, help them once they come here to learn English, the laws that protect them so they can be aware and not be exploited.

[zulchzulu]

78. Obama workin' it

Kicking ass and taking names...

[jenmito]

82. I'm in love...politically speaking.

:D

[zulchzulu]

81. I just love all the candidates with the volume pumped up

Whether you support one candidate or not, the debate's energy and fiery crowd is fantastic. A barnstormer...

Congrats to all the candidates!

[jenmito]

84. I think Biden was the loser of this debate.

Obama was the clear winner regarding setting his "rookie" charges and Edwards did well with the audience even though he kept going over-time and Kucinich gave some great answers, too.

[jenmito]

86. Hillary stole Obama's answer about having to be as careful getting out of Iraq

as we were careless getting in, and then stole Edwards' answer about how she'd have someone in the WH who she'd ask every day what was accomplished re: Katrina every day.

[jefferson_dem]

87. That takes the award for most asinine statement of the night.

She was a chief-enabler of the "careless" invasion she now criticizes.

[jenmito]

89. I agree. Doesn't she realize that???

:shrug:

[earthlover]

95. What? Hillary copy? You don't say......Our Hillary, the leader? SARC

Send her home for plagiarism. She could get kicked out of a good college for that. ANd she wants to run the country. OMG....

[jenmito]

103. Yup. She sure did!

Of course no commentators brought that up.

[AtomicKitten]

88. Obama made the foreign policy segment his b*tch.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3433597

[jenmito]

92. He sure DID! But of course, the MSM is spinning it as Hillary winning that debate

but adding Obama did very well and won that CROWD, but not America. I totally disagree.

[AtomicKitten]

94. Thanks MSM, but I hold the remote control to my brain.

:toast:

[jenmito]

98. As do I. And I say Obama ROCKED!

:hi:

[earthlover]

97. Hey, Atomic K, I haven't committed, but I do like your style and admire your enthusiasm!

So much more refreshing than hearing Hillary Goose Steppers posting polls and talking about Ms Inevitable

[AtomicKitten]

100. thank you

I really do love politics.

[creeksneakers2]

99. I liked Dodd the best

due to his first answer.

Candidates can propose all the programs and fixes they want but we won't be able to afford them if we continue building the science-fiction-style-zap-anything-on-the-planet-in-an-instant military machine the military industrial complex has started. It will cost trillions. Dodd is the first one I've heard say anything about turning the project off.

[jenmito]

101. But he got spanked by Obama with the Pakistan issue. n/t

[Colobo]

102. Obama spanked Hillary, Dodd and Biden with the Pakistan answer.

[jenmito]

104. He sure did. He was like a ninja fighting 'em off from all sides!

As I said earlier (or on another thread). :D

[creeksneakers2]

105. I thought they all did well

They all had good points. (Except Biden, who left a widow without an answer to get his two cents in.) I didn't think Obama looked his best tonight. His other performances were commanding, always getting the sharpest wit to out talk the others. Obama looked a little defensive. He still did well though.