OBAMA IS GOD

[AtomicKitten]

Wow. What a great debate about foreign policy.

IMO Hillary was wrong, Edwards was forgettable, Dodd was Dodd, Richardson was there, Kucinch was awesome but in another way unfortunately, and Obama had it exactly right and rode it home.

That is my opinion of course.

Maybe they could rule as a council. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Kagemusha]

1. Speaking as a guy giving Obama a chance who hasn't watched the debate

can you say why you think he had it exactly right? Go ahead and keep it brief if you like, I'm just curious.

[AtomicKitten]

2. he clarified precisely what he meant about Pakistan

He clarified that as in his initial remarks he was speaking hypothetically if he had actionable intelligence, yada, yada. He also talked about supporting Pakistan on the condition that they do our bidding, i.e., take out al Queda (didn't say it but I think that's what he meant), and that what was going on in the hills in Pakistan was a security threat to the U.S., not anything in Iraq, and he kinda told Dodd kisses but no cigar, and Hillary's POV looked so wrong.

IMO

[Kagemusha]

4. Interesting. That's what I thought Obama's position was.

Not the distortion I've heard elsewhere.

I wonder if people will appreciate the full version or not. No clue.

[AtomicKitten]

8. people need to open their ears and their minds

This is a very exciting time because a new day is almost here.

[TwilightGardener]

11. I can't watch (my kids have the TV), but thanks for that analysis!

[Martin Eden]

32. Obama needed to be more clear

I think Dodd at one point used the word "invasion" to characterize the action Obama advocated in Pakistan. That sort of thing needs to be quickly and clearly dispelled; otherwise Obama's political enemies will have more leeway to create false impressions over what level of military engagement he meant.

I'm no fan of Hillary, but I thought her caution about Musharraf's tenous hold on his fundamentalist nuclear-armed country is the most important security issue regarding Pakistan.

[AtomicKitten]

42. I thought Obama cleared up that notion.

Sometimes in politics the candidates need to be more robotic in their language, dumb it down so to speak, with repetition of themes. That's where Bill Clinton kicked the every lovin' crap out of his opponent by answering simply and succinctly and then explaining it clearly. "Yes and I'll tell you why ..." I thought that was brilliant.

To be frank, I believe Obama would give the entire planet a breath of fresh air. I can't do any more Clinton policy, although I admit she is not Bill, but then again I thought with some notable sins Bill did a pretty good job overall, but I digress.

We shall see.

[Mass]

3. I cannot watch it as I have not cable, but thank you for the report!

[AtomicKitten]

5. I thought it was amazing.

The foreign policy segment was truly revealing.

Enjoy!

[Ethelk2044]

6. You are so correct

[AtomicKitten]

7. glad to have it on DVR

What a great ride that segment was! Woo-hoo. I tell you every once in a while Obama kicks some serious ass and reminds me why I support him.

[Clark2008]

9. I love you AK, but Obama merely repeated what Richardson

said many, many times.

God? Hardly. :)

[AtomicKitten]

10. But he did it with panache.

Hey, he floats my boat.

I just think he's the best of the lot. So sue me.

Cute baby and big bro. Cheers.

[Clark2008]

13. I'd sue you, but I'm afraid I'd spend more than I'd win.

Yes - I'll agree "O" has panache. ;)

They are cute, ain't they? :7

[venable]

12. don't see it.

I'm sorry, it seems that to some there is nothing he can do wrong, and every breath is genius.

some of us like him just fine, but don't get the wonder. count me in that group. good guy. not god-like.

if he says Hello his supporters think he is the Mahatma

[AtomicKitten]

14. I wish.

There are times I think he's kinda ineffectual or clumsy. He may stumble but he recovers quickly and fine, acting like he meant to do it, ha, ha. But every once in a while he performs beautifully. Like now. IMO. I give the others props when they do too.

Participating in an election is our civic duty (and privilege).

I've anted up and boarded the ride.

All aboard.

[venable]

27. i agree that when he is good

he is very eloquent and sounds very new.

but I don't hear that as often as I hear: decent, smart generalities.

my only grief is with people who think everything he says is great BECAUSE he said it.

Edwards is my guy, and there is an awful lot of times where I wish he had been stronger, more clear, more precise. I still want him to get the nom, but I also think he is far from perfect.


another note- getting to where I can't stand biden (lackey for HRC), but he had a great line tonight - 'let's not let perfect get in the way of good'.

[AtomicKitten]

44. it is frustrating

because I think there is someone amazing (RFK'ish in magnitude) inside him (yeah, you wisenheimers have at with that)

Hey, Edwards kicked some butt tonight. He's going balls out in his campaign and I admire that. I think he took a good portion of the debate tonight. Also Kucinich and Hill had some brilliant moments.

All in all a good time was had by all. Speaking of the crowd, it looked like the audience at the debate could been watching a Bruce Springsteen concert. I love it when the audience is real.

[venable]

50. I loved the audience, hearts on the sleeves

and Keith (though I think the Barry Bonds thing was a little off the mark since people are dying and are uninsured and living in poverty..)

enough of those stilted vain-moderator events. keep Keith for all of them.

[AtomicKitten]

52. I thought he was great.

I'm thrilled that MSNBC didn't Donahue him and gave his show a chance to grow.

He kicks the snot out of Fox Noise Monday through Friday from 5 to 6 P.M. like clockwork plus repeats galore. It's beautiful.

[laugle]

64. Oh....AK, you sound like a smitten kitten! LOL

Hillary kicked-ass as usual......

The line about, "if you want a winner to take on the RW, I'm your girl!"

You go girl!!!!

And thank goodness she didn't wear one of those distracting jackets, she looked and sounded great!

[AtomicKitten]

66. she did have some great moments

I admit it. Absolutely, unreservedly. I have every confidence she has what it takes and then some to be president, I just find Obama invokes so much hope and promise. Makes me feel all tingly inside. :)

[laugle]

72. It's just a

menopausal side effect....it will go away soon. Ahh....you know I love you........LOL

[AZBlue]

65. Which one?

"I think there is someone amazing (RFK'ish in magnitude) inside him"

Edwards or Obama?

Didn't see the debate unfortunately, so I'm definitely interested in your take on it. Thanks!

[AtomicKitten]

68. Obama, baby.

I paid my money and I'm on the ride.

[AZBlue]

75. Let's hope the ride lives up to it's tagline!

I'm waiting until someone comes up with a health plan that covers adults too. But, I'm starting to think that it's a bit like waiting for Gore to announce, no??

Given that, I'm pretty sure at this point you'll see me on the same ride...

[Clark2008]

17. Well, let's be honest.

Edwards supporters are the same way.

So are Clinton supporters.

I can see it because, thus far, I don't have a candidate. Kind of sittin' here waiting on someone to "wow" me. And, if that doesn't happen, then I guess I'll mutter under my breath and vote for Kooch or something.

[JANdad]

83. Yep...lol

[thatsrightimirish]

15. In my opinion

His exchange with Dodd and Clinton over Pakistan was the greatest moment of his campaign so far.

[AtomicKitten]

18. thank you!!!

I so agree.

[jenmito]

23. I agree! He was like a ninja fighting 'em off from all sides!

:hi:

[elizm]

97. The more they attack him....

..The better he comes out looking. He is the real deal.

[Pirate Smile]

41. I agree. The idea that certain things can be said by certain big wigs in DC, behind closed doors,

but don't say it out loud so the peasants can hear it really irritated the hell out of me - I think some boos came after that crap.

I liked Obama's response that the American people deserve to hear the truth about foreign policy, not just insiders in Washington DC.

[Skip Intro]

16. rule as a council - now there's an idea

(sorry, Obama is not god)


:D

[AtomicKitten]

20. I can see it now.

[Colobo]

19. Obama PWNED Hillary and Biden on the Pakistan issue.

[AtomicKitten]

26. and got some on Dodd too !!

He was awesome. Ninja style.

[beachmom]

21. Oh, maybe I'll record the midnight re-broadcast.

I just saw him in person at Yearly Kos -- gloat gloat -- so I didn't think I needed to watch another debate. He is left handed, in case people didn't know that. Isn't that good luck to win the presidency? He signed my book. :)

[AtomicKitten]

24. it was a great exchange

I have yet to see him speak.

I don't think he has performed well in debates so far. His rhythm was off. But he kicked into gear in this segment and beautifully and succinctly explained PRECISELY what he meant and means, and he left the rest choking on his dust. It was beautiful.

Enjoy!

[Forkboy]

22. I couldn't even type God is God with a straight face.

Let alone any politician on the planet.

I could probably handle the council part though.

[AtomicKitten]

25. I'm partial to "sky fairy"

[Clark2008]

45. Obama for Sky Fairy!!!

Hell, it's better than nothing!

:)

I know you like him - and he's OK, trust me, I don't hate him. I just don't see a black man winning in the Racist States of America (which includes far more states than those of the former Confederacy, trust me).

I'm NOT making fun. Really, I'm not. I just don't think he has a shot in the general election.

But, if it makes you feel any better, I don't think Hillary or Johnny have one, either.

I'm depressed. :(

[AtomicKitten]

If I were there, I would slap you and hand you a Mai Tai.

For Sky Fairy's sake, woman. Remember your hormones are still riding the rollercoaster. Plus our world is on fire. So ease into it and hang in there. 1/20/09. That's all I'm saying.

Well there's this. This election is so the Democrats to lose. Now I know they have been epic dumbasses before, but they would have to be institutionalized in a nice white jacket with a 24/7 caretaker in a locked tiny room if they screwed this one up. Seriously.

I know they aren't retarded. Or least I'm pretty sure.

[Forkboy]

80. Better stick with God.

Obama is Sky Fairy lacks the same zing quotient. :)

[zulchzulu]

28. Gladly K&R for the Kitten

Biden trying to two-tag on Obama was sad. Poor Joe.

[AtomicKitten]

43. I was just telling my son that I forgot to mention him in my OP.

My son said, "I kinda forgot that he was running."

Um, that's Biden.

:hi:

[Schema Thing]

29. He learned how to pronounce Pakistan from General Clark

[AtomicKitten]

46. Obama and Clark

those are some fine-looking Democrats

just saying

[Imagevision]

61. Obama and Clark and Fitzgerald as the Attorney General...

[AtomicKitten]

70. sweet

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Clark2008]

47. LOL!!

Pock-A-Staun instead of Pack-i-stan.

Right? :)

[UrbScotty]

30. Well I wouldn't call him God...

...but he did do a heck of a good job tonight!

[AtomicKitten]

58. I thought many did really, really well.

I gave it to Edwards and Obama. Kucinich rocked. Hill had some good moments. The others don't do much for me, but I missed Gravel.

[ProSense]

31. Obama is not GOD!

Otherwise, he would have voted for withdrawal last June and found a way to save these lives.

Just sayin!

[AtomicKitten]

48. you are not allowed to throw peanuts at people while they are on the ride

dayum

[ProSense]

54. Is that what this is?

A joy-ride?


Obama is God, not!

[AtomicKitten]

56. I don't know about you, but being

snarky to the point of having zero sense of humor is exhausting.

Politics is fun. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

You can take a few minutes off. It's cool.

[laugle]

67. I agree with you....but you really need to put the wine glass down! LOL

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[AtomicKitten]

71. I was going to say it's sad that you think that

... about me

but it sounded too much like something Barbara Bush would say so, hey, :hi:

[wisteria]

77. Amen! n/t

[jgraz]

33. Isn't God a white guy?

:hide:

[jenmito]

36. No. That's a painting.

There is no God that I know of.

[jgraz]

37. Shit -- no wonder my prayers never get answered

[jenmito]

38. Yeah. It's a waste of time to pray anyway.

I figure you should just do the best you can do. :)

[jgraz]

39. Ooh you are so going to hell

:evilgrin:

[jenmito]

40. If there's a hell I ain't goin' there.

I do all the right stuff just because I feel like it-not out of fear of going to hell. ;)

[laugle]

69. Did you know that "evangelists" is an acronym for "evil agents?"

Just thought I would throw that in....

Well....we all know where Bush is going and it's not up there.......

[jgraz]

73. Huh, and I always thought it was an acronym for "inbred redneck morons"

Shows how much I know...

[laugle]

74. Barbara Bush is the mother of

the "Beast." And Bush has a 666 tattoo on the back of his head.....LOL

Just a little FYI........

[AtomicKitten]

49. actually he would look much like the fellas we are killing in Iraq

and women and children too

[illinoisprogressive]

34. Obama rocked. But, the pundits are still trying to spin for Hillary. clueless.

[jenmito]

35. Ain't that the truth???!!! I couldn't believe how they were playing her up

and praising her when Obama clearly won. She was booed more than anyone except Biden.

[AtomicKitten]

51. I thought Obama and Edwards kicked butt

and Kucinich had some really brilliant moments

Hillary had a couple what I would consider really good moments.

[jenmito]

53. I think Kucinich did better than Edwards....

Edwards had one good answer that I remember...

[AtomicKitten]

55. I thought Kucinich was awesome.

His life is agreeing with him.

[beastieboy]

92. He got rocked is more like it. Only reason he got cheered is location.

[killbotfactory]

57. I thought his comment about foreign policy being the exclusive domain of Washington insiders

was spot on.

And the attitude that important matters like how to deal with terrorists in Pakistan shouldn't be brought up in public is arrogant and condescending.

[AtomicKitten]

60. sunlight -- I don't think some realize how important it is to democracy

[killbotfactory]

63. Just look at how the Iraq war was handled

We in the public arena were left in the dark as to the real motives of the Bush administration, while they had to sort through the WMD bullshit the President and media were feeding us and could only guess as to the real motives of war (IE: controlling the oil supply).

There was never an honest debate about the Iraq war, thanks to media complacency, and enough democrats siding with Bush and refusing to ask the tough questions about the invasion.

[Imagevision]

59. Obama makes a comment - the msmturns it into something totally out of context, Obama with

each passing week is coming across more presidential and sounds like an impressive knowledgeable person that I would drive 100 miles out of my way to vote for.

If Bush hadn't allowed Bin Laden to escape in Tora Bora we would have had the bastard!

[AtomicKitten]

62. that was party of the beauty of the way he ended that segment

He cleared it up so it was CRYSTAL CLEAR and managed to bitch-slap Dodd down and as a bonus separated himself from HRC who IMO was clearly wrong.

I thought it was a brilliant moment for him.

[AZBlue]

76. Ooooohhhh...if you need to catch it online, msnbc.com now has the entire debate

on its site! Watching it now...


http://video.msn.com/v/us/msnbc.htm?g=198f3986-adaf-4ede-8b40-fa33157e199a&f=00&fg=email

[AtomicKitten]

88. good times

:)

[wisteria]

78. I watched the debate and came to other conclusions.

Oh, BTW, no one is God, but God.

[AtomicKitten]

89. we think, therefore we have opinions

[tkmorris]

79. OK, that's a little............... creepy

I think you have abandoned any pretense of objectivity here. I think it is more in our interests to analyze all of the candidates without bias, not to form an internet glee club.

"Obama is God"? Holy cow.

[AtomicKitten]

85. just having some fun

pay your money and board the ride ... or not

[BigDDem]

81. So God thinks Canada has a president?

[AtomicKitten]

93. I say we flog him.

[beastieboy]

82. Obama is TOAST.

[AtomicKitten]

86. free advice

don't drink the bong water

[question everything]

84. I don't trust Bush who says that he talks to god

so do you think that I will trust anyone pretending to be god?

And which god?

[AtomicKitten]

87. too literal of a translation

just having some fun ...

[Adelante]

90. The BEST line

"I find it amusing that those who helped to authorize and engineer the biggest foreign policy disaster in our generation are now criticizing me for making sure we are on the right battlefield and not the wrong battlefield in the war against terrorism."

:thumbsup:

[AtomicKitten]

91. he kicks butt

I was encouraged when the Obama-haters were reduced to slamming his opposition to the Iraq War on the basis that his motives aren't pure enough - allegedly political.

Jeez, a purity test for opposing the war. Now that's bullshit.

[MODemocrat]

94. That was the line that turned me against Barrack Obama

It was disappointing to see him stoop to such a low as to accuse these other candidates of engineering "the job". He might as well have said "I'm working in behalf of George W. bush; he had
nothing to do with the bloody oil war" That was plain stupid !!! :+ :+ :+ :puke:

[AtomicKitten]

95. he was being tag-teamed by HRC surrogates hoping for VP

Perhaps his rhetoric was snarky to you but it rang true to me.

This guy can bob and weave like the best of 'em.

[DJKDJKDJK]

99. The best line

Went to Kucinich and public ownership of the sport teams.

Obama was a nervous wreck last night, which might not be a big deal if he wasn't "the man to beat" and on his home turf. However, he is and he fumbled the ball and will be taking a seat on the bench very soon if he keeps being "himself".

If "terrorism" exists than what will change in this country? Let's take a look at who creates terrorism worldwide. That is your homework assignment. Go look up SOA, go look at history, go look at yourself. Then get back to me.

[AtomicKitten]

101. actually Kucinich's best line was on digging a hole to China

[TeamJordan23]

96. He has great knowledge of the subject. You could tell last night. nm

[DJKDJKDJK]

98. Take off you tinfoil hat.

Obama was the worst one up on that stage last night. What debate were you watching? I saw the debate where Kucinich wowed the crowd and blew the top off the non-existent roof.

[AtomicKitten]

100. Kucinich did really well.

And if you think he stands a snowball's chance in hell in winning the nomination, perhaps your tinfoil hat is on too tight :). Too bad, really, but it is what it is.

I disgree with your rather disparaging assessment of Obama, but would like to point out that you probably wouldn't even break a sweat being a little more open - and fair - about the candidates.