Joe Biden brags about giving reach-around across the aisle

[Ian David]

I fucking hate Biden.

Thank you, Joe Biden, for reaching across the aisle to give us Roberts, Alito and Gonzales.

Heckuva job, Biden.

Enjoy your reach-around with the Republick Party.

[rzemanfl]

1. Biden blew it tonight. He will not recover from it. Not answering

that lady pissed off a lot of people. This is a good thing.

[Yael]

9. Count me among them

He is up there to answer the questions of the people, not to spout off at the mouth simply because a camera was in view. Something Dear old Joe will never grasp...

[NI4NI]

12. I can't believe he ignored her question

and talked about Pakistan (I think)instead.

[ecstatic]

51. Not to pile on, but he truly reminded me of Bush in that moment

The only potentially saving grace is that he did lose a spouse and child too, but he should have given that woman more respect and more time.

[bigdarryl]

2. he's becaming a JOKE

[LittleClarkie]

76. Becoming?

He was starting to crawl away from the joke that is himself, but I think he just sucked himself back.

[AnnieBW]

3. Him and his bankruptcy "reform"

nobody asked the Senator from MBNA about that.

[Yael]

10. *snicker*

Welcome to Wilmington :hi:

[demommom]

77. Maybe everybody is not as obsessed with it as some are

[Clintonista2]

4. Off topic, but I've never seen a Mike Gravel avatar before. NT.

[Ian David]

6. I've decided to back the most far-left long-shot candidate right from the start...

that way, when they lose, I won't be disapointed, because I expected it all along, and won't be a surprise.

[Sparkly]

15. Is that what Gravel is -- "far-left?"

:shrug:

(Never thought the good Dr. Dean was "far left" either.)

[Ian David]

16. Me neither. I should have endorsed some to the left of Howar Dean who I KNEW would lose. n/t

[Alexander]

63. Does that mean you are a Kucinich supporter?

Because he was to the left of Dean then, he's to the left of Gravel now, and I know he just isn't going to win.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Holy shit, what's with all the Biden hate tonight?

[Ian David]

7. What? You didn't realize that "Advise and Consent" Biden was a great big giant douche until tonight?

[Debi]

8. It's normal DU behavior to bash all others in order to promote the candiate of choice

It's just Biden's turn right now..tomorrw is Dodd - I think they're going in alphabetical order.

[Like It Is]

20. You hit that nail right on the head!

Biden told the widow of the coal miner that the Coal Miners Union President could answer the question much better than he could. And he was right.

[Debi]

21. Sure he was right, but he looked calloused and uncaring

b/c he dismissed her so quickly so he could get a few comments in on a previous question. Should have stuck with her and on worker's safety and worker's rights.

Also, I think the booing rattled him and pretty much shot his composure for the evening.

[Ian David]

22. I'm not promoting anyone at the moment. I've always hated Biden.

Well, at least I've hated him since long before he ever said he would pretend to run for president.

Even if he wasn't in the debate at all, there would be a good chance I would have started an "I Hate Biden" thread just for the visceral satisfaction of it.

[Debi]

23. Yes, with your Gravel avatar I see that you're not promoting anyone

at the moment :eyes:

[Ian David]

24. Like I REALLY think Gravel would win?

See prior post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3433659&mesg_id=3433727

[Yael]

11. Um, he acted like a complete asshole. His ego took the mike and didn't give it back

[TwilightGardener]

13. Oh. I'll have to catch it on the replay. That's a shame, I kind of like Biden.

[Yael]

14. Heya -- Be sure and check out the opening of the second round

When a coal miner's widow asked him about enforcing OSHA-type enforcement and he blathered meaninglessly for a max of 5 seconds about "I wrote a bill, bla bla bla" and then changed the subject on her to rant on about Pakistan since his ego didn't get to field the original question.

Just one of the highlights from tonight

:hi:

[MalloyLiberal]

17. Biden was a nasty mofo attacking Edwards

What did Edwards ever do to him
Like biden has any chance in hell

I still think he, Richardson are spoilers to try to keep Edwards support down and attack so hillary and obama dont have to.

[insane_cratic_gal]

18. He got booed more times then bush got bruised

Alright maybe not that many but.

[demommom]

26. Insane...

Only once, and others were also booed including all 3 so called front runners.

[Colobo]

19. Joke Biden- Ready to be the Prick in Chief.

[Nimrod2005]

25. He keeps polling below 1%

[Inuca]

27. Biden did not have a good night

Not answering the widow's question was bad. One of the times where his desire to make a point (he really wanted to speak during the Obama/Dodd/Clinton mini-debate, but did not get a chance) got the better of him. He did what most of the others did at some point or another, namely use part of he time to answer a question he did not get a chance to answer earlier. But he did it in an awkward way and definitely with the wrong question. This being said, I find all the bashing wildly exaggerated. I think he was a good guy before tonight, and I continue to think so.

[demommom]

28. Inuca-

Well said and I agree with you.

[rucky]

29. He was pretty out of touch with the crowd. n/t

[Like It Is]

30. My children were much better behaved than that crowd !

There will never be another debate or forum held in an athletic stadium.

[murbley40]

31. There shouldn't be,but I would not be so sure.

[rucky]

32. The day we have well-behaved Teamsters

is the day we have no more unions.

you gotta admit, it was damn entertaining.

[Like It Is]

33. I, for one was not looking for entertainment.

I was looking for the best choice for president.

[Ian David]

53. He did kind of redeem himself somewhat the next night during his interview with Keith Olbermann.

He's still a giant douche, but he rehabilitated that particular mistake a little bit.

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[mrigirl]

36. But do we have a choice?

I agree w/ you that Repubs are assholes but seriously- we all have to work together to make any changes. I just think that out of all the Dems who are running Biden would be the least likely to get stonewalled. He's already gotten in Bush's face and has called for Cheney's resignation and Rumsfeld's years ago. He will not be bullied. And he will be fair. You can work w/ the Rubs but hold firm against corruption. Biden's a bulldog. We need a guy like him. Tha't why I support him in the first place.

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[mrigirl]

38. Ok- let's agree to disagree

but who do you see as President out of all the Democratic candidates that won't be bullied? I personally thought Biden would be the strongest.
Fyi- his own son has not yet been deployed.
As far as all that other crap- you can't just blame Biden.

[Ian David]

39. No, I can't JUST blame Biden. But he should bear a large share of it

And do we REALLY want ANOTHER pResident who refuses to be budged or "bullied" by anyone, anyway, even if it were true?

Biden isn't a tough-guy.

He's a tough-talking push-over.

[mrigirl]

40. You never answered my question dude!

Who do you think would be better? Who do you want as Pres? Just curious!

[Ian David]

42. Anyone on that stage except Biden would make me happy.

Right now, despite my avatar, I'm leaning toward Kucinich.

Biden makes Hillary look like Howard Dean by comparison.

[mrigirl]

44. Thank you!

May the best man/woman win! Please don't take offense from my original post when I swore at ya! You just made me a little mad- I'm usually a nice girl. Gotta protect my candidate!

[Ian David]

46. No, you don't have to "gotta protect your candidate."

It's just that sort of blind brand loyalty and "rooting for the t-shirt" that's partially responsible for getting our country into its current mess.

"Your" candidate is an evil douchebag.

You should be prepared to jettison him if and when it has been sufficiently proven to you.

When that point comes, is up to you.

Some people learn more slowly than others.

But nobody...

ever...

from ANY party...

... should EVER feel they have to defend "their" candidate, no matter WHAT he or she does.

You don't "gotta protect your candidate."

What you "gotta" do is critically examine your candidate-- each and every day-- and decide anew whether they are worthy of your support.

It is my hope, that eventually, you will come to the same conclusion about Biden that I have.

And then you'll owe me a pizza, because I told you so, from the beginning.

[mrigirl]

48. Fine. Pizza it is.

I can see your deep hatred for Biden and there's now way this chick is gonna get you to change your mind! I am obviously an educated woman and believe me, I will seriously take ALL the Dems under careful consideration before casting my vote. Right now though I'm liking Biden. That's just the way it is. Later!

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[mrigirl]

54. Hey Is!

I've been busy NOT working today. Nobody wants to come and play MRI today. Getting paid to sit here and post! HA! HA!

[Like It Is]

58. You're Wrong, in more ways than one!

Biden Fought and opposed Alito. He also defeated Bork. He doesn't head up the committee that is investigating Gonzales. Leahy does. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[Alexander]

61. Joe Biden gave us Clarence Thomas.

The least qualified member of the SCOTUS.

Biden has a very warm spot in hell reserved for him, where hair plugs are not allowed.

I don't know what you think you guys are drinking, but it sure as hell isn't coffee.

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[murbley40]

41. you go mrigirl

:toast:

[mrigirl]

43. Hi murbley!

They deleted my original reply to this post because I swore I think. I'll probably get a warning. My first post was the best one. oh well! Just trying to stick up for Biden- he's been bashed pretty good today.

[murbley40]

55. Just by some.

Well they are noticing him:nopity:

[mrigirl]

45. hey murb

question- How come some people can write a$$hole on thier posts and I can't??? Mine got deleted.

[Ian David]

47. Because you used it as a personal attack against a fellow DUer.

I'm answering, because I can't tell if Murb answered it for you, since they are on my ignore list.

[mrigirl]

49. That's what I figured. And that's why I apologized to you.

[Ian David]

52. That was nice of you. n/t

[murbley40]

57. I think

IAN is right. How did I get on his ignore list,I wonder?

[mrigirl]

72. murbley

I'm new to DU and could be wrong but I think he has to put you on his ignore list himself.

[John Kerry VonErich]

56. He was also on Fox News earlier.

nt

[Like It Is]

59. You are so consumed by hate for a good man like Biden !

You can't even think straight.

[Alexander]

62. You are so consumed by HERO WORSHIP of a sleazy Senator like Biden!

The one who gave us MBNA, Clarence Thomas and is a shill for the credit card industry!

Let me ask you something - do you live in Delaware or South Dakota?

[demommom]

65. I live in Delaware and

I am very proud to have voted for Senator Biden every time since his first run in 1972. Sleazy, he is not!!:patriot:

[Alexander]

60. Joe Biden also gave us Clarence Thomas...

Fuck off, Joe.

[Like It Is]

67. Your IQ = 0.0000001 n/t

[steven88]

64. We need Biden like we need Lieberman

Biden hasn't made sense in years. Democrats would well rid of him. I think that Democrats should key on him his next re-election same as was done with Lieberman. Biden as President - who the hell would be that insane?

[Like It Is]

68. Who are you Alexander's brother? Rookie

Birds of a feather flock together.

[steven88]

73. Who is Alexander? I might like him.

I may not have a lot of posts under my belt but that doesn't mean I can't evaluate people well. I may have been a little extreme in my comment on Biden but he doesn't have what it takes to be a good Congressman much less a President. Biden isn't alone. My representatives in Congress sometimes suck too - but they aren't running for President.

[demommom]

74. What is it you have against Biden?

[steven88]

75. Joe Biden

I'll start with what I'll admit may be somewhat superficial: He has an ego that far exceeds his real competence. That immediately puts you off and causes you to start disregarding what he has to say. Even if this is superficial, it has a real negative effect and limits his ability to influence or lead others. In some of the important confirmation hearings, he hardly asked a question but just ran on like he only wants to hear himself talk. I was embarrassed to have him as representing the Democrats. I wished the bench would just gavel and end to his ramblings and announce "Next". Then after he had his turn, he got up and left the hearing. If he felt the hearing were not important, then he didn't deserve a seat in the hearings. Or was he just not prepared? Either way, it invokes no confidence in him.
Biden is not really a fighter. Oh, he may talk tough in the debates. But when it really counts, he surrenders before a battle has ever begun. He is not someone I would feel I could count on, ever. Where has he really made a difference in trying to reign in this administration? I think he has been more an enabler of the administration, a Republican lapdog actually.
I can't see him as a leader.

[themaguffin]

69. nah, the only Dem with a real plan for Iraq

But I guess you want to be like the freepers go for the shallow BS... go ahead.

It's only our worst problem that won't solved, but hey, Biden annoys you with all that talkin' n' stuff that too boring.

[TwilightGardener]

70. OK, I disagree here. Biden is in no way comparable to Lieberman.

I'm not a supporter, but Jesus, that's low. Biden's overall a good Democrat, even if he doesn't always toe the liberal line.

[Like It Is]

71. I consider myself a great Democrat, and I'm no liberal.

I consider myself a moderate. Been a Democrat for over 50 years.