Ooh, ugly stuff from Biden's campaign directed toward Edwards and Dean.

[madfloridian]

This is very irritating.

Biden Campaign to Edwards: Enough With the Dean Routine

"Before the last presidential election, John Edwards voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq, then spent most of the actual campaign parrying attacks from antiwar outsider Howard Dean. This time around, Mr. Edwards has slipped into the role of perpetually incensed antiwar crusader, questioning the commitment of his competitors to the liberal ideals he has so unapologetically embraced. Joe Biden’s campaign, for one, has taken note of the change. And they do not approve.

“I can’t guess at Senator Edwards’ motivation, and nor would I question it,” said Larry Rasky, senior communications director for the Biden campaign. “I just know that it seems pretty extreme and at times even irresponsible. It seems like he has decided to play Howard Dean in this election.”

Mr. Rasky also expressed doubt about the timing of Mr. Edwards’ recent attacks on the North American Free Trade Agreement, which the former Senator said was “written by insiders.”

..."The analogy to the Dean campaign, if not the questioning of Mr. Edwards’ motives and timing, is hardly a stretch. Like Dr. Dean in 2004, Mr. Edwards has won plaudits from the party’s influential Netroots by railing ceaselessly against lobbyists, pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies and of course, the “mainstream media.” (“They want to shut me up,” Mr. Edwards said recently, without specifying who “they” might be.) "

Thanks to the Edwards campaign for taking up for both.

"Colleen Murray, a spokeswoman for the Edwards campaign, responded angrily to Mr. Rasky’s remarks.

“It’s an insult to Governor Dean, millions of online activists, and all Democrats to suggest that fighting for universal health care, raising the minimum wage and ending the war in Iraq is ‘pandering’ or ‘irresponsible’ in any way, and Rasky should know better,” she said in an e-mail."

The media is doing its job on Edwards and Obama, and quite often including Dean in the mix. I understand FOX is not attacking Hillary much. I don't watch CNN and MSNBC enough to know if they do.

And who is Jason Horowitz?

[Donnachaidh]

1. Biden was particularly SHRILL at the debate regarding Edwards

It's kind of sad that he seemed so. :shrug:

[Forkboy]

13. Wait...I thought shrill was a sexist term.

I just read it in another thread,so there's no way a man can be shrill....apparently.

[Donnachaidh]

21. from dictionary.com

1. high-pitched and piercing in sound quality: a shrill cry.
2. producing such a sound.
3. full of or characterized by such a sound: shrill music.
4. betraying some strong emotion or attitude in an exaggerated amount, as antagonism or defensiveness.
5. marked by great intensity; keen: the shrill, incandescent light of the exploding bomb.
–verb (used with object), verb (used without object)
6. to cry shrilly.
–noun
7. a shrill sound.
–adverb
8. in a shrill manner; shrilly.

Number 4 covers Biden's manner for me. I don't see any reference to sexism in the definition. And I know many guys who are far more shrill than some females. I think the person calling the term sexist is confused. :shrug:

[jillan]

2. It must be bash Biden nite tonight.

[demommom]

4. must have struck a couple of nerves tonight.

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[madfloridian]

9. I quoted the words of his campaign.

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[mrigirl]

22. pirhana

it's been a bash Biden day since I logged on at 8 am this morning! Cuz I'm not busy at work today I've been sticking up for our guy on threads all over the place!

[msongs]

3. the Delaware credit card industry loves Mr. Biden and hates DR. Dean. 'nuff said nt

[demommom]

5. It is not about Dean

it is about Edwards now trying to be Dean

[madfloridian]

6. Actually it about Dean as well....

like Edwards was trying to be like someone who criticized the wrong people. So it was a general slam at both.

[jillan]

7. oh - I hate this -

I really do.

All of the candidates are attacking each other. ugh.

[madfloridian]

10. Dean is not running....he should be left out and left alone to do his job.

.

[venable]

11. Biden is a sincere man, but he is out of control, and clearly is after Edwards

and I smell a funny deal betwixt him and HRC.

Joe does the dirty work against Edwards and Obama.

I don't know what else would inspire such animosity and anger toward Edwards.

Questioning Edwards commitment to labor is just nutty.

[murbley40]

16. He is not out of control

Tell me,who is Edwards after when he constantly refers to the "insiders"?

[venable]

19. he is referring to the MSM, to lobbyists and to candidates that get money from people like Rupert.

and he is right.

IMO.

[karynnj]

27. I suspect that Biden is infuriated at the New Edwards

Edwrads served with Biden in the Senate - and during those years he was a pretty conservative Senator. There was nothing especially populist about him - other than the fact that he voted against at least one trade deal - because it would hurt North Carolina's mills. Edwards was barely polical for most of his adult life and is now speaking as though he was an outsider political activist.

I think Biden hurt himself - because he came off looking mean. I don't think it was to help Hillary - but that he resents Edwards portraying himself in a way that has nothing to do with what he was even 4 years ago. (I suspect that both he and Dodd may see Edwards and Obama as lacking their experience.) You did notice that Edwards answer to what he did before these last two years dealt with what he did last weekend.

[Inuca]

30. I agree

I am sorry to say but I have difficulty trusting the sincerity and conviction of many of Edwards' populist (and not only) stances. Hate even more to make this comparison, but why do we laugh at Romney switching his positions all over the board while Edwards is the JOhn of Arc of the downtrodden? Edwards' changes of position, etc. are far less dramatic than ROmney's, I agree, but still... I may be completely wrong on this, sometime people do change dramatically in how they think and what they believe in, it does happen, but not too often. That's why I cannot really support Edwards though I agree with many of his positions. ANd yes, Biden sounded kind of mean when he took on Edwards the other night, but IMHO Edwards sounded kind of silly saying how he stood on 200 (was that the number?) picket lines in the last two years. Nice, he did not have much to do these last two years in any case, but Biden was perfectly right in questioning what he did the 20 previous years. For the sake of fairness, I do not really know much about Biden's position on labor, so maybe he was off the mark in contrasting his record with Edwards', but I doubt it.

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[Like It Is]

14. That's the most asinine statement I heard tonight !

And tonight I heard a lot of them.

[LostInAnomie]

15. Biden is HillCo's hatchet man.

He knows he has a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination so he's decided to play ball. He's a sell out piece of shit and should be treated as such.

[murbley40]

17. Lost

:puke:

[chimpymustgo]

18. Methinks you got it, LostInAnomie. Biden really came off whacked.

He was not doing himself any favors. I hope he drops out soon.

[venable]

20. I think he sees his bread buttered by the clintons and he is doing their unspoken bidding

of course I could be wrong - it wouldn't be the first time - but his attacks on Edwards were so vitriolic that one wonders what's up.

edited to say: maybe vitriolic is the wrong word, but let's say impassioned out of proportion as an attack on a real friend of the unions.

He probably hates that Edwards is looking so strong with the unions, after he, Joe, has been a union guy for so long. But the fact is Edwards is putting his money where his mouth is, issues-wise, and basing his whole campaign on union issues.

[mrigirl]

23. oh be serious!

Biden wants the Presidency rest assured. If he doesn't get it- what fool would turn down VP or SOS? We need Biden. I would hope he'd get a position in Hillary's Admin if she wins the nom!

[AnotherGreenWorld]

24. It's a decent comparison

In 2004, Dean was regarded as the liberal in the race when he actually governed Vermont as a right-leaning centrist (Really all of the candidates were more liberal than Dean.) Edwards, like Dean, talks a big game--and he is more liberal than Dean--but he nevertheless voted for the Patriot Act, the Iraq War Resolution, doesn't support gay marriage, supports a for-profit health care system, and so on.

Dean in 2004 was more rhetoric than substance. In 2008 that is true of Edwards.

[madfloridian]

25. Obama....the "rhetoric candidate" of 08.

The media is pulling out the "angry man" meme against Edwards.

Dean and Edwards are two good men.

[Colobo]

29. So is Obama, our next president.

[karynnj]

28. Dean was a centrist Governor of Vermont

but he was still more liberal than Edwards. He also had the advantage that few people knew his record as Governor and Vermont had the reputation of being the Ben and Jerry state. (leading people to dismiss the fact that there were many Vermont politicians to his left.)

Edwards ran for President in 2004 on a platform that was far more progressive than his record in the Senate and he has now shifted even farther in that direction. Biden may simply have lost his temper after hearing Edwards' statements that tried to gain the position as the only one really for the little guy - when in reality everyone on that stage has some claim to that as well - they're Democrats.

[Inuca]

31. The voice of reason :-)

[KoKo]

26. CNBC's Reagan Shill Larry Kudlow was push Biden as the Conservative Dem that Wall St. Could love

on his show last night. Kind of says it all...doesn't it. Mr. Credit Card...the darling of Wall St.