Last night, Joe Biden and Chris Dodd were kissing Hillary's ass

[eweaver155]

targeting Obama, not trying to make room for themselves to move up from 2nd tier to first tier, but positioning themselves to win a White House cabinet post in the so called Clinton administration. Dodd and Biden have no chance in winning the nomination so now the game plan is to get in bed with Hillary (all three have probably discussed it, along with Bill) fight her battles with Obama and Edwards during the debates. This way she just stands back with no engagement with Obama or Edwards and at the opportune time, inject statements contrary to their positions for voter pandering or just avoid the question completely. If you paid attention, she will not engage Obama directly or admit any mistakes. Also during the exchange with Dodd and Obama, Hillary winked at Dodd. She is the classic example of someone who picks a fight, let's other's engage in her battles, takes no responsibility while she cheers from the sidelines. This way she is does not get her hands dirty and is free to blame others.

The Clintons are known for payoffs and making future promises and that cost is loyalty (look in the dictionary under Bush/Chaney. This type of slickery and deception is exactly what she will do to the american people if she is elected. This old horse cannot change her stripes overnight and become a credible, honest and trustworthy candidate. This is how she operates and won her way to this position (with Bill's help) and this is not what America needs. In addition, when she addressed an audience of African American women earlier this year, she used the term "I'm your sister" and last night to a predominately white crowd, she said "I'm your girl". She's a manipulative panderer and a bullshit artist. We need a change in D.C. :think:

[IndianaGreen]

1. The Beltway insiders were protecting their flanks by attacking Edwards and Obama

Thankfully, Dennis Kucinich was there to speak for the working class.

[Zueda]

2. They do not want Hillary...

to to go the way of Joe Lieberman

[liberalnurse]

3. I completely disagree....

Did you watch the Debate??????? AFL-CIO was the Event Host...It was on MSNBC yesterday evening. I believe it is also linked on MSNBC's web site in it's entirety.

[eweaver155]

7. Yes, I did watch the Debate. They were kissing up to her. Tweety came

out in as much said the same thing today. They are trying to push for a cabinet position or she promised them something.

[liberalnurse]

10. You can't blame them for that....I'd do the exact same thing.

I think Edwards, Obama and Biden are all looking for a VP chair myself.

[TwilightGardener]

14. No--Edwards and Obama are looking to win the Presidency.

Edwards has made it his full-time job.

[Colobo]

22. You are a Hillary supporter, so that opinion is expected.

But, as your girl says, Obama is in to win it... and he has what it takes to win.

[Tellurian]

31. Hillary said : "I'm in it to Win!" In her announcement speech...

Is Obama copying that too?

[TwilightGardener]

35. "I'm in it to win" says all we ever need to know about this woman.

[emilyg]

36. What did you expect

in it NOT to win?

[TwilightGardener]

38. I expect someone to run because they love this country and want to serve it.

Not fulfill personal ambition.

[Inuca]

39. So right you are!

[Tellurian]

42. Hillary has served for 38 yrs. A brief bio:

Hillary has served for 38 yrs. A brief bio:

Hillary Rodham Clinton was elected to the United States Senate by the people of New York on November 7, 2000, after years of public service on behalf of children and families. She is the first First Lady of the United States elected to public office and the first woman elected independently statewide in New York State. A strong advocate for New York, Senator Clinton works with communities throughout the state to strengthen the economy and expand opportunity. The Senator supports a return to fiscal responsibility because she knows that wise national economic policies are essential to protect America's future.

She serves on the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee; the Environment and Public Works Committee; the Special Committee on Aging; and she is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services

http://clinton.senate.gov/about/biography/index.cfm

[Major Hogwash]

52. Hahahahaha! 38 years? On what planet?

I've heard it all now, man.

That is pure bullshit.

[Tellurian]

54. delayed radio signal to Earth from what planet did you say you're living on?

read the link, so you don't sound so foolish!

[emilyg]

43. Every politician has personal ambition.

[Tellurian]

41. Yup, something an Olympian contender would say!

[sueh]

50. But when will Hillary make it official?

Her web site still says "exploratory cmtee".

[AuntPatsy]

4. Interesting, simply because someone shows another some iota of respect they are kissing ass?

And I don't see anything wrong with saying I'm your girl or sister? After all, I have never ever I swear heard someone complain about a male candidate saying I'm your man.....

[Inuca]

5. Biden on Countdown just now

Keith gave him a chance to better explain what he meant yesterday in his answer to the miner's widow. He clarified that he did answer the question (which indeed he did, but not in the most artful of ways, and apologized for so quickly jumping to the point he wanted to make re Pakistan but did not get a chance. And he emphasized again that an attack based on actionable intelligence is ALREADY the US policy, and implicitly (almost explicitly actually) accused Clinton and Dodd of playing with the facts. I do not call this "kissing ass".

[AuntPatsy]

6. You know its no wonder people that hold offices cannot act normal, its obviously

not a likeable trait to be oneself in public, so in retrospect it is the fault of American audiences who expect far too much from our politicians and in doing so we have allowed them to become fantastic liars and or actors.

[eweaver155]

8. They were not acting normal. Teaming up to attack a candidate. If you call that normal. I need

to sell you some land south of Florida.

[AuntPatsy]

19. How do you that it is not normal for them to act that way? Curious

[durrrty libby]

9. She's a brilliant strategist. That is a great attribute for a leader

You are just looking at things in a sour way.

[Hardrada]

13. So was General von Schlieffen

but that didn't quite work out!

[PurityOfEssence]

51. That's because they weakened the right...

(His dying words were reputedly: "keep the right wing strong".)

I think we can count on her doing that in the party, third-wayer that she is...

(I, for one, am not incredibly impressed with her strategic or tactical prowess; she's playing the cautious game of the favorite: working the bandwagon inevitability angle, avoiding getting pinned down on issues and not tangling too much with her rivals. There's nothing brilliant or innovative here, and I don't think anyone else is doing anything particularly new or exciting either.)

[dkf]

45. BLECH. I find it repulsive.

It looks completely manipulative to me.

[TwilightGardener]

11. Yup--you got her pegged. There's a game on here. Good post.

[Major Hogwash]

12. It's one of the tactics that Clinton used in '92 to get other candidates defeated early on.

But, it won't work with Obama.
Let Hillary wink at everyone she wants to.

This isn't about who wants to break barriers, this is about who is going to change the direction of the Iraq War.

Those 3 don't like Obama because he is an upstart, he hasn't been there for years and years.
Like Biden.
Who has been there for years and years and has little to show for it.
Like Dodd.
Who has been there for years and years and has little to show for it.
Like Hillary.
Who has been there for years and years - no, wait, she hasn't been there that long.

[durrrty libby]

18. Obama is naive and inexperienced. He could not even decide

if he would congratulate Barry Bonds. Wow what a leader he would make

[TwilightGardener]

24. Yep, he's naive, and inexperienced. No matter what he says or does.

10 years from now, he'll be too "establishment", too much a Washington insider. 20 years from now, he'll be too old, past his prime. That's your mud, you've got to sling it, and you show up consistently and do your job against him. But know this: your "girl" will never be beloved by the American people. She wasn't before, she's not now, and even as Prez, she won't be. I take comfort in that.

[Tellurian]

29. You take comfort in Hypotheticals?

The word "hypothetical" basically means: imaginary..

How does wishing someone ill will (imaginary things) give you comfort?

[Major Hogwash]

27. "Naive and inexperienced" - the same criticism Nixon made about JFK in 1960.

Oops.

[Tellurian]

33. The big difference is....Hillary is nothing LIKE Nixon...

[dionysus]

58. laughably weak..... bot

[emilyg]

37. Hogwash.

[whirlygigspin]

48. "this is about who is going to change the direction of the Iraq War"

...if this about changing the direction of the war...then I think Joe Biden is your best choice.

The facts speak for themselves

[Tellurian]

15. Hillary was right when she advised not using hypotheticals as Obama did...

Now by innuendo, Musharaff is using Obama for his own propaganda purposes.

And more hyperbolic hypotheticals from you:

1.===(Dodd and Biden)"positioning themselves to win a White House cabinet post in the so called Clinton administration."===

What is a so-called Clinton Administration? Never heard the term before. Can you elaborate, please?

2.===(Hillary) "she will not admit any mistakes."===

What mistake(s) would that be?

3.==="Hillary winked at Dodd."

What does that comment mean? Is Hillary breaking an obscure Iowan 'winking law'?

4.==="The Clintons are known for payoffs and making future promises and that cost is loyalty."

I'd like to see proof of this assertion..Link please!

5.==="This old horse cannot change her stripes overnight and become a credible, honest and trustworthy candidate."

Are you saying Hillary is (egads!) a Zebra? Please provide proof of your assertions, not hyperbolic remarks they don't count.

6.==="In addition, when she addressed an audience of African American women earlier this year, she used the term "I'm your sister" and last night to a predominately white crowd"

Aren't all women regardless of race... sisters? I would think her identical remark to white women makes that point crystal clear..

7.===""I'm your girl". She's a manipulative panderer and a bullshit artist. We need a change in D.C."===

We'll have the change we're looking for- After she receives the Nomination, we won't have to read *Bull Shit* posts like yours degrading the Democratic nominee anymore.

[illinoisprogressive]

17. not doing hypotheticals is insider speak for "I want to duck that question"

[durrrty libby]

20. which is exactly what Obama did when asked about congratulating Barry Bonds

A simple little decision. He totally flaked on it

What a pathetic joke

[Tellurian]

23. Right...

but the news reports said, Obama said: "if I'm elected president, I'd invite Barry Bonds to the WH." Then in the next breath, laying down an afterthought, mentioning steroid use among famous athletes. <wha?>

[Tellurian]

25. How so...please explain how that works..

[TwilightGardener]

21. Sure, she'll be above criticism then--we all just need to shut up and

accept her. Obama and Edwards need to shut up and go away too. Everyone just needs to let the Queen ascend her throne and rule.

[Tellurian]

26. Not everybody... I'll personally vouch for Edwards..

[TwilightGardener]

28. Of course you will. He's 12 percent in the polls. No threat there.

[Tellurian]

32. No threat to Hillary. The threat is pushing Obama into Third place..

[TwilightGardener]

34. I'm Ok with Edwards. He's not a BFEE-affiliated, conniving, calculating

bullshit artist. I want Obama to win, or Edwards, but if Hillary does, I accept it--I lived with shitty Presidents for many years of my life now, a few more years won't kill me, I guess.

[Tellurian]

40. When she gets it...

I'm hoping Edwards is part of her administration...

[zulchzulu]

47. That's a good boy...good boy!

If you're a boy...

That's right. Just shut up and make sure to get out the vote for her...'cuz we's gwonna need ta, boss. Yessuh...

[Tellurian]

57. wez gut ta uze the race card becuz thaz all wez gut!

[dionysus]

59. enjoy losing more votes for hillary

you do it every day

[Ethelk2044]

60. I am glad Obama has an higher intellect than you , bigot

I know this is the response you are looking for because of your vast ignorance. Your stupidity amazes me. Oh by the way, just for FYI, the language that you "created" (wez gut ta uze the race card becuz thaz all wez gut!), if you did not know closely resembles the Gullah dialect. Go to Google, do some research and learn some history. Pitiful, but I'm sure you make Hillary proud!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :nopity: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[KaptBunnyPants]

16. Biden wasn't trying to make any supporters.

He glowered the whole night and disrespected the woman who was kind enough to direct a question to him, instead using that time to continue pressing the attack on Obama. I barely noticed Dodd, so if he's in on it to, I didn't notice.

[Mutineer]

30. I thought the same thing. They're running for the VP job.

Birds of a feather. :puke:

[TeamJordan23]

44. Obama put them all in check in my opinion. nm

[zulchzulu]

46. Do you have pictures?

:puke:

[Like It Is]

49. Biden and Dodd are trying to move up to the top tier.

They have to remove some of the roadblocks. they are going to get tough from now on. They're taking the gloves off!

[beastieboy]

53. I agree, Hillary is bullet proof so they are trying to take out # 2

Obama opened himself up for legitimate criticism on the Pakistan issue and they attacked.

[Like It Is]

55. Hillary is bullet proof. In what way?

Hillary is nothing but a shill for Bill. She is simply doing an end run around the 2 term rule. Husband and wife should be like one. By the end of 2008 we will have had 20 years of Bush, Clinton, Bush. Enough already! This is not a 2 family monarchy. What would follow 8 years of Hillary, 8 years of Jeb and 8 years of Chelsea?

[demommom]

62. I agree lii

Without Bill, She would not be where she is . I hear people everyday; infact, some in my own family, say "with Hillary, we get Bill again".

[Tellurian]

64. Whithout Hill...we wouldn't have had Bill..

I hear it everyday on the I Love Hill & Bill boards.

[Ethelk2044]

56. Just watch the Visible Vote '08 Presidential forum tonight and see Biden & Dodd at work.

targeting Obama for her majesty, Queen Hillary. It will be televised on the LOGO channel tonight at 9:00 p.m. or catch it on the web.

[calteacherguy]

61. Ewww....that visual is NOT pleasant.

:puke:

[Hieronymus]

63. Absolutely, they want to assure a position in her cabinet. Neither Biden nor

Dodd has a snowballs chance of being on a ticket.