Legalized Wategate or They Just Gave Away the 2008 Elections

[AndyTiedye]

They say this FISA bill sunsets in 6 months, but now we find out that means that they have 6 months during which they can authorize wiretaps that they will never have to disclose.
Those wiretaps can go on for a year. That takes us right through the 2008 elections! Everything we do, they will be one step ahead of us, because they can Watergate us with impunity.
All they need is Gonzo's approval, and we know how that works.
http://%20balkin.blogspot.com/2007/08/when-does-sun-set-on-warrantless.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1533848

In this context, the FISA vote can be seen as nothing less than a complete and unconditional surrender.



Bush** obviously made them an offer they couldn't refuse.
We have heard that he threatened to blame the Democrats when we got attacked again.
That is a very serious threat, given Bush**'s control of the media,
but surely that would not be enough in itself to justify electoral suicide.

Perhaps there was a bit more to the threat than we have been told. Something about martial law perhaps.

They sure caved in in a hurry.

[L. Coyote]

1. WHAT A CROCK! Get real for a moment.

The Protect America Act Allows surveillance of international communications that pass thru US infrastructure.

Are you saying you wish it was impossible to listen to Bin Laden's calls? Whose side are you on?

[villager]

2. Bush rejected the compromise that would've allowed him to listen to Bin Laden

Instead demanding excess power for warantless wiretaps on all Americans, effectively.

Whose side are you on? Me, I'm on the side of the Constitution.

Also, Bush wouldn't have to keep listening to/for Bin Laden if he didn't keep (deliberately?) letting him get away...

[superkia]

3. By the time they get back from vacation, the MSM wont remember FISA

[L. Coyote]

9. Good points, and reality based. BUSH played politics with national security

We don't have to play loose with the facts. We can call them out on the facts.

I'm criticizing the wild/weird post, not defending Bush.

[countmyvote4real]

5. Do you know that your internet post is an invitation to be spied upon?

I'm sure that you haven't done anything wrong and I don't doubt your motives. However, you've invoked key words that your internet provider must now hand over to Gonzo for his 30-something, Pat Robertson law grads to review? We are not a free country anymore. And my corporate provider must do the same. Bon voyage.

[L. Coyote]

7. WHAT A CROCK! Get real for a moment. That's just paranoid!

How unreal can this get? Are you saying Internet providers are required to data mine posts and report to Gonzo. GET real!

[countmyvote4real]

11. yes. that's what they ARE doing.

CROCK that, my friend. It's true..

[Webster Green]

6. Whose side are you on?

Sounds like you support the fucking chimp. The chimp supports Bin Laden...he gives him everything he wants and more.

If you support the fucking chimp, then you support Bin Laden.

Protect America Act indeed. What a load of crap!

[L. Coyote]

8. Intellectual integrity and accuracy. This is a crock too!

What you are saying is totally unreal. But hey, I'm from an academic world, not exactly a say anything you want place no matter how bizzarro or untrue, as long as it has the f word in there somewhere!

[Webster Green]

10. Oh please!...The chimp administration is the biggest Al Queda recruiter

The chimp is a traitor. His government is a hoax. This new wiretap law will do nothing to "protect" us, but it will give Karl another tool to fix our elections in favor of the repukes.

[robinlynne]

13. Coyote. In germany, as the laws changed, people kept saying "they wouldn't dare do

tat', and then "they wouldn't do that', and they did all of it and more. there ain't no raeson to create laws unless they intend to use them.

[AndyTiedye]

12. The FISA Act Already Allowed Them to Do That

What they have demanded is the right to spy without any accountability to anyone.
Please explain to me why they need to do that.

[AndyTiedye]

15. (crickets)

[KCS72000]

14. They will only target the terrorists!!!1

They would never abuse thier authority.


Secret document details American plan to bug phones
and emails of key Security Council members.


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,,905936,00.html










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[AndyTiedye]

17. Mr. Coyote Still Hasn't Explained Why This Law Is Needed

Why would oversight by the FISA court, even after the fact,
preclude them from listening to Bin Laden's phone calls?

The whole FISA act and FISA court were designed for that sort of thing.

[flyarm]

4. msm will tell the american people.."its old news!!" eom

[cui bono]

16. k & r