My problem with HIllary is no longer her politics. It is her competence.

[Perky]

I look back at the atrocious Health Care Fiasco in 1994

I look at her voter on the IWR

I look at her botched attack on Obama regrading discussions.


I look at her comments at YearlyKos on Lobbying.



I look at her completely disingenuous comments about nuclear weapons.


I conclude she still is not ready for Prime-time. It is just gaffe after gaffe after gaffe.

[pwb]

1. So if it is Hilliary against a repuke you will vote ...????

[Perky]

2. For Hillary without question

[BearSquirrel2]

11. Thats exactly ...

Thats exactly what the conservatives want. They want Hillary so they can reap the rewards of a 12 year old smear campaign and capitalize on the flip-flopping Hillary. If you were shocked by what they did to Kerry, you'll be bowled over to what they'll do to Hillary.

[CoffeeCat]

13. No doubt.....

...if the nightmare comes to bear--and she is the nominee--the election will be
finished by April.

The MSM and the Republican mud machine will rip her to shreds. They've got so much
on her and they can't wait until she's the nominee. Rove is salivating at a Hillary
run, and they won't even need the Swiftboats.

It'll be "blue dress...Whitewater...Vince Foster...Monica...Travelgate...blow jobs...
unfaithful, lying husband...botched healthcare...cigars...impeachment...stay home
and bake cookies...interns..... round the clock!

She will be destroyed. Kerry was a decorated war veteran and an intelligent, thoughtful,
diplomatic man who served decades as a Senator and impeccably as a prosecutor. And
look what they did to him.

She's so toast. If the Dem party is absurd enough to nominate her, we get what
we deserve---which will be at least another 4 years of PNAC scum.

Please. No Hillary. No way.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

20. Yeah.

They made a decorated war veteran look weak and unable to defend us. I'm sure they're salivating over HRC's new "I'm your girl" line.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. except Hillary fights back...

she's been doing so for years. Kerry didn't respond adequately to the swiftboaters.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

24. The question is not if one fights back, but if one fights back successfully.

Even independents hate her and think she's an extremist. And that's not her fault really; there's nothing she can do about that. Americans are dumb, ignorant, and this is what their media tell them about her.

How is she going to fight back? TV ads will basically be the only way she can get her message out to most people. Once she has solidified the nomination, all of this positive coverage will disappear.

[MonkeyFunk]

31. She will fight back

the way she's always done - forcefully and quickly. Independents don't hate her, either.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

32. How?

Independents I know hate her, pretty much without any reason. I don't see how you can fight against that.

[BearSquirrel2]

36. Hillary is the worst of both worlds ...

Hillary both alienates the far left and the entire right. We're looking at a situation were UBER-liberals will stay home and Republicans will show up in droves to vote against her. Hillary is POISON to the 2008 election.

By contrast Barack Obama is polling as the 3rd most popular candidate with REPUBLICANS in Iowa. Plus, he's actually more liberal then Hillary. Do we see the contrast here?

[emulatorloo]

29. Kerry fought back, media DID NOT SHOW IT. How will it be different?

I studied the swiftboat thing pretty closely. Kerry fought back, but media did not cover it. Instead just gave more free time to swifties.

Media seems to want to shore up any crazy republican accusation and bury and democratic response. May not matter who the candidate is.

[MonkeyFunk]

30. he took too long to respond

and did so weakly.

Clinton won't make that mistake.

[elizm]

26. If Hillary is the nominee..

...You can bet there will be a 3rd party candidate in the race.

[Ethelk2044]

27. Nader already said he would be in

[tiptoe]

34. that is a sufficient reason why...

Hillary has been promoted by the Right-wingers as the Dem candidate for years (I heard it directly back in 2003!...the rethugs are prepared for "Bill's girl" and look for her to divide the Dem vote)

[durrrty libby]

3. Oh sweet desperation I hunger for thee to numb my agonizing madness

[SaveElmer]

8. LOL...

Very nice!!!


:rofl:

[JDPriestly]

4. Besides she has announced that she wants to retain a residual

military presence in Iraq. There is no way that Iraqi insurgents are going to allow the U.S. to maintain a residual presence in Iraq. Especially since I assume the purpose of the residual presence would be to protect the oil contracts of American big oil. It is not realistic. Also, I don't think Hillary is leveling with us. I think she is almost as secretive as Bush.

I was beginning to warm to her, but I think she would be an absolutely awful candidate for future of the Democratic Party. She cannot win against any of the Republicans. The Republicans had fixed the deck so that she cannot win. We have to insist that the deck be dealt anew. We cannot play the hand that Hillary will draw.

[aquart]

5. Solution: DO NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY IN THE PRIMARY.

Problem solved.

[lvx35]

6. So who is everybody going to rally around in the primary?

Seriously, the only way to beat Hillary is going to be to have a pre-primary between all the other candidates, and then run only the winner in the other next primary. And believe me, some of the other candidates will not do that.

Unless a lot of power can be demonstrated by the netroots, Hilary is inevitable.

[Perky]

7. Actually I suspect that if Hillary wins Iowa comfortbly

who ever comes in second is going to pick up most of the undecideds in New Hamphire out of fear of her "inevitability".


If she Does not win Iowa, I think she may be in trouble becuse SHe will not win SOuth Carolina and whomever does will have momentum going into Florida

Hillary gets her first win in FLorida and this thing is going to end up in a food fight in Denver: Brokered convention.

[lvx35]

9. True. It actually ought to be interesting, given her current numbers in Iowa.

I guess we'll see.

[zanne]

22. NH voters are very independent..

They never have followed Iowa's lead. It's a completely different state. People are always trying to forecast NH's vote, but they're always surprised.

[robinlynne]

12. I like Edwards more and more every day.

[kimmerspixelated]

10. I've never trusted her.

I am hoping the fatigue will get to her, so that she stumbles further. Please folx, almost anyone but the Rethug in the Demsuit!

[ShortnFiery]

37. That makes two of us.

There's something very phony about her rigid mannerisms. I woudn't trust her to manage my bowling alley on the night shift, much less Our Nation. :shrug:

[CoffeeCat]

14. No kidding...

Hillary is just Lieberman in a bad wig.

[Faux pas]

15. Hillary winning will be the final nail in this country's coffin. n/t

[_Wayne_]

16. You did not list one "gaffe", yet you say Hillary delivers "gaffe after gaffe?"

The Republican Majority in 1994, Bob Dole, Newt Gingrich, stopped Hillary's healthcare reforms; it's well documented in Moore's Sicko. And that's not ever been defined as a "gaffe."

And what the hell did Hillary say about "lobbying" to YearlyKos? If she said anything, nobody noticed. And what comments about nuclear weapons? You dropped a lot of nonsense, Perky.

[hedgehog]

19. She and Bill had another 7 years to try again and did nothing.

She's had 13 years since then and tons of campaign money to come up with a plan. Promising "univeral health care by the end of my second term" (according to Paul Krugman) just isn't very impressive to me.

[Perky]

25. She was almost booed off the stage at Yearly Kos

For saying the lobbyist represent regular americans.

[Apollo11]

17. Electability is also an important factor

Several polls have showed that a majority of Americans are not inclined to vote for Hillary.

Something like 52% of Americans have a negative perception of Hillary.

If we want a candidate who can win back the Whitehouse - there are many better candidates available.

Like Al Gore, Wes Clark, John Edwards, Barack Obama.

All of these are less unpopular than Hillary Clinton.

[skyblue]

18. Nyrs voted for Miss Thing and Lots of them retire to

F L O R I D A. She's had a history of doing well against the lead Republican candidates in polls whereas all candidates should be! I believe her husband won in FL as did his former VP Gore even tho' he ran with Lieb.

But, she does have a history that would make her a tricky choice.

I like my candidate better. He has problems but not so many as she does.

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[Ethelk2044]

28. Obama All the Way

More and More people are coming out and stating Obama stance on Pakistan is correct. Hell even Bush is deciding to push back on them. I can not believe he sees the light. He is beginning to attach the money the US gives them in foreign Aid to goals set.

[durrrty libby]

35. And yet he is going down in the polls

[Laurab]

33. I think perhaps you're lost

Osama Obama? Frau Hillary? And if you don't vote for John Edwards in the primary, who will you vote for? Do you like Rudy, Mitt or Fred the best?

[jillan]

38. Were there only 3 candidates running on the Dem side?

Where did I get the impression that there were 8 ???

Hmmm. Maybe it's time to turn off Hardball.