Who here is for PARTY LOYALTY?

[LoZoccolo]

Let us make a grand and mighty display of solidarity by replying to this post.

[cyclezealot]

1. i am as long as

they deserve it. I try to give even the worst candidates a second chance. Of course we must always be pragmatic. All members have a greater voice if we are in the majority. Still there are strategic issues that go beyond party loyalty.

[welshTerrier2]

2. did you mean Constitutional loyalty?

i'm sure for that ...

[BOSSHOG]

6. To look at it another way My Friend

Loayalty to the republican party is not loyalty to the constitution.

[welshTerrier2]

11. nobody's right when everybody's wrong - Buffalo Springfield

the truth is, I expect there are some people in the republican party who are very supportive of protecting Constitutional freedoms. look, for example, at people like Bob Barr who joined the ACLU ...

to ask about party loyalty without looking at the party on a more granular level seems to leave us supporting all sorts of candidates and issues that do not deserve our support.

i am loyal to the Democratic Party as long it holds dear the values I hold dear.

by the way, the OP only asked about "Party Loyalty"; not Democratic Party loyalty. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. He might as well have asked what we thought of Nazi Party loyalty ...

[BOSSHOG]

25. My conscience (how do you spell conscience?) wil be free and clear

in November when I leave that voting kiosk after doing a straight party ballot. If a democrat I vote for should not be in office and gets elected and I vote out three republicans then I will feel like the Orkin Man.

[BOSSHOG]

3. I tend to use left handed logic

I am loyal to the democratic party because that is the best way (in this era of history) to combat the evil and nasty and downright incompetent party of bush and limbaugh and faux.

So on election day, I'm gonna whup right through that ballot, every democrat on it.

[Vincardog]

4. I am all for it. The Party should be loyal to US. We elect them They should be loyal and vote FOR US

[atreides1]

5. Loyalty must be earned

Loyalty like respect must be earned, it cannot be demanded in a free society!

[AtomicKitten]

7. I'm fully into kicking the stuffing out of the GOP.

But we cannot lose sight of who we are as a party in exchange.

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. Party loyalty as in...

"Because I am a Republican, I can not and will not express any discontent or condemnation against the President"? Blinkered, if not blind, loyalty that renders one incapable of even the most basic of thinking skills? That kind of loyalty?

Or do you mean party loyalty as in, "Because I am a Democrat and belive in what the Democratic Party has long held up as its ideals, I will express my discontent and condemn any party member who violates those ideals"?

There is a significant difference between those two types of loyalty. I am strongly against the first, and strongly support the second.

[Norrin Radd]

34. What you said...

[ORDagnabbit]

9. sieg heil baby!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. "Party loyalty" can be damn dangerous...

Parties change over time -- back in the Civil War days I would have spit on the Democratic Party and supported the Republican Party. My party loyalty only goes to a party that is closest to my vision of how I want this country to be. And if the Democrats abandon that shared vision -- sorry, but adios muchachos.

[Adelante]

12. Unity threads already?

Oh, nooooooooooo

[Capn Sunshine]

13. I'm for party loyalty

But I'm also fighting the entrenched DC insiders who think they run things.
We've proven with the gains we have made doing it our way that their days are numbered.

[David__77]

14. I'm all for party discipline.

But I'm also all for fighting to make the Democratic Party a party of the left. I want the progressive core of the party to assume a leading role. So I'm for struggling for that in the appropriate fora, but, after a decision has been reached, I do think Democrats should unify and fight for the agreed program, yes.

[goodgd_yall]

15. I am, as long as the party's loyal to its traditional values n/t

[nini]

16. I'm for loyalty to my country therefore I am loyal to the Dems..

because I believe they are more like me than the repubs and ultimately will do more to straighten this mess out. This does not mean I see them going as far left as I would like because the political climate of today just won't allow it. We have to take one step at a time regardless of how frustrating it is.


So, yes - I guess so.

[Jed Dilligan]

17. No

A political party is the stupidest thing in the world to swear oneself to.

[William769]

18. I am for ousting any Republican.

If thats considered party loyalty, then so ne it.

[Bonobo]

19. Wow, look at all the friends you got!

[Nite Owl]

20. I'm an American before I am a

Democrat. If the party is loyal to the country then I am loyal to them. Being a blind follower is one of the most inexcusable things you can be.

[patricia92243]

21. I AM!!!

[saracat]

22. I am .I support a unified Democratic Party because that is the only way to WIN!

And, despite the views of those who are "statement voters" or "idealogue" WINNING is EVERYTHING. We must WIN in order to effect change.And we must WIN by a large enough margin to be unassailable!

[Solon]

28. Unassailable to do what, exactly?

If winning is everything, then this is no more than a sport to you, unfortunately, unlike 99% of sports out there, the policies and positions of the "teams" actually affect the lives of everyone in the nation. It doesn't help to be on a winning team that sells out the interests of damned near everyone they are supposed to represent.

[saracat]

30. It is way more than sport.That is why is is everything.Only the winners can make change!

And by siding with other parties and splitting the vote all that happens is the GOP WINS again.Nothing is as bad as that scenario.They will destroy us all.We must unite to defeat them.

[Solon]

43. I'm already getting buyer's remorse for voting for Claire McCaskill...

Let me count the ways, she voted for the Iraq Supplemental, Against the Clean Energy Act, for a stupid assed amendment for a damned border fence, and for this recent FISA debacle. In addition she also voted for yet another stupid amendment to a bill calling for "English as a Common language" and yet another declaring "English as a National Language". You know, I didn't vote for stupidity, if I wanted that, I would have voted Republican.

[saracat]

46. But hasn't she supported stem cell? And how is she on choice?

No one is going to be 100% what one wants! I have also been disppointed in some of my people who I thought would vote differently.However I am going to speak to them and ask "why".

[Solon]

48. Its not that she isn't 100%, she's at less than 50%...

She voted for the SCHIP expansion(good), is Pro-Choice, but also supports a Partial Birth Abortion Ban(which is stupid), and voted for Stem Cell research(good). Plus she's wishy washy on most other issues besides the ones I criticized already.

[followthemoney]

23. I expect the party to be loyal to the constitution and the people they represent

Call me radical, but public servants should serve the public.

[IndianaJones]

24. dah comrade. nt.

[rjones2818]

26. Party loyalty?

Does this include the FISA capitulators? How about the Iraq Supplemental capitulators?

If it does, count me out. I live in Indiana. Evan Bayh will NEVER get a vote of mine again. Same if I move to a district with a Dem who voted for either of the capitulations.

I'll go so far as to say I don't think that anyone should give to the national fund raising arms of the party since money might go to the capitulators. We have the actblue pages, etc.

Dem capitulators? :nuke:

[billyoc]

27. Not me. My loyalty is to the AFL-CIO, my International and my Local.

So there's my full disclosure statement, I am not a Democrat. :hi:

[Perry Logan]

29. America is in a state of civil war. It's either us or them.

The Repubs threw down the gauntlet when they stole the Presidency. Republicans are therefore traitors. We'll have to drive them out sooner or later.

[rjones2818]

35. And those Dems who

colabo...umm...cooperate with the Repugs?

[LoZoccolo]

37. Who are they?

Even Lieberman sides with the Democrats on 90% of the issues where the two parties disagree. So who are these collaborators?

[rjones2818]

47. FISA capitulators, Iraq supplemental capitulators...

small stuff like that.

[steven88]

31. Whaaaat???

My brother is a staunch born-again-Christian-Republican. If Hitler ran as a Republican and was pro-life my brother would vote for him. And cheer him for gassing Democrats and cleansing evil from the Earth. I don't want a Democratic version of that!!!

[cleveramerican]

32. Loyalty, but not blind loyalty

Primary season is the right and proper time to explore all the different priorities we share as democrats.Don't start reducing my options yet. We all know trying to get three dems to agree that the sky is blue can be a challenge. Same as it ever was.

I, for one hope our field of hopefuls mix it up and go for it with everything they have.

I will support the nominee, but what gets said, and by who, during the campaign matters.

[Forkboy]

33. And you compare Nader to Stalin with a straight face?

:rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

36. Yes.

Do you even know why I compare Nader to Stalin? Let's hear it.

[Forkboy]

44. I've read your reasons when you posted them.

I didn't feel they offered anything especially interesting,and the only insight I felt I got from it was into you,not Nader.Any valid points you may make about Nader,and there are valid criticisms that even I share,are completely overshadowed by your beyond obvious obsession.

If I wanted to listen to another demagogue I'd listen to Stalin or Nader.

[Bonobo]

50. Ouch! THAT'S gonna leave a really nasty scar!

[Colobo]

38. I'm loyal to my ideals, and loyal to the party that represents them best.

[ulysses]

39. of course, when the party deserves it.

[LoZoccolo]

40. To those towing a foolish line: your Godwin's Law violations do not decieve the wise and courageous.

We are not talking about a theoretical Democratic Party that has nominated right-wing demagogues in some strange and impossible twist. We are talking about the real Democratic Party that exists now, and dealing with problems of now, while you are engaged in academic giggery-pokery. We will not tolerate any more of your guff!

[ulysses]

42. don't strain something towing that line.

:D

[Forkboy]

45. giggery-pokery?

guff?

What next,"You kids get off my driveway!"?

[Bonobo]

51. "...And we LOVED it!"

[MasonJar]

41. There is no way that I would consider not voting for the dems. The

alternative choice has proven so very imprudent and colossally disastrous for the earth and the world and the country. Just label me "yellow dog democrat."

[NoPasaran]

49. I am a Democrat dammit!

[MODemocrat]

52. I'm a Democrat and will vote accordingly

but I'm getting disgusted with the Democratic Senators and Congressmen for Kissing Bush's proverbial ass. Still, I'd vote for just about anyone who wins the Democratic nomination, and I will never vote for a republican or Independent candidate.

[Sparkly]

53. I've always voted Democratic -- if nothing else, it's always about voting against the GOP

and that means voting Democratic.

Guess that makes me for party loyalty!