Ideologywise I'm more with Kos, however when it comes to strategy I'm more with Ford

[wndycty]

You can call me all sorts of names, however I have always believed in pragmatic politics. Ford has extended the olive branch and wants the two sides to work together, Kos would be wise to take up his offer (or depending how you look at it call his bluff).

[msongs]

1. yes, let's purge all those pesky gays and lesbians from the party nt

[msongs]

2. btw, how did ford's senate run turn out? nt

[Peregrine Took]

11. You mean how he lost and "un-losable" seat??? n/t

[wndycty]

4. Tell me who said that. . .

. . .and don't take something someone said and stretch, I want a direct quote.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. boy, did you ever ask for it. Here goes:

steve, george, Tom, mary, nancy, phil, kyle, ron, dave, greg,

I do suspect that it was no bluff. He invited harold to netroots next year. It is up to ford to come or not.

[asthmaticeog]

5. Foolish.

When the right and the left compromise, the resolution is near the center. When the right and the center compromise, the resolution is to the right. That Democratic Party tactical power has been concentrated in the hands of centrists for so long is exactly why we're fucked.

[eleny]

6. Ford wants us all to join together

I read that as "Our way or the highway". And to that I say that - We've taken the highway, Harold.

[Catchawave]

7. Kos represents the "new center"

Which is what I observed at Yearly Kos. Ford didn't have to go O'Reilly on him cherry picking Daily Kos comments, that was no olive branch :D

[MissWaverly]

8. DLC = keeping up the empire, crank the war machine

if we give into to the corporatists, we will continue sending billions of dollars to the Middle East
while our country falls apart. It has to stop, the gravy train for the military industrial complex
has to stop.

[paulk]

9. I'm with you

My state, CO, has gone from a 5-2 (R) advantage in the House and 2-0 in the Senate to a 4-3 (D)advantage in the House and a tie in the Senate. All the Democrats who replaced Republicans were either DLC or Bluedogs. And that's just the way it is.

And Ford would have been far preferable to the puke that beat him in 2006, perhaps even for those on this board who seem to take satisfaction in his defeat. But, hey - why take a glass that's half full when you can throw it on the floor and break it?

[madfloridian]

10. That strategy thingy worked really well on the FISA bill.

They sold out our personal freedoms being nice.

[beachmom]

13. I respectfully disagree. Please see my FISA bill diary. It was not

a DLC situation:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/12/84927/2177#c38

[Hippo_Tron]

14. Explain to me why we've gone 6 years since 9/11 without these FISA amendments

Why all of a sudden do we need them?

[beachmom]

16. The ruling by a FISA judge just happened in March of this year.

It required that foreigner to foreigner calls required warrants, which was ridiculous. That loophole needed to be closed. Unfortunately, the Bush administration used this real problem to ram through draconian measures. The Dems were outmaneuvered. Did you even read my diary?

[madfloridian]

15. I wrote about it also....it was the principle of giving in to fear.

It was a Blue Dog thing this time, with only 6 or 7 New Dems voting yes, but they hurriedly rammed through a bill because they were afraid of being called lax on National Security....which is getting out of hand. I want to be safe as much as anyone else, but they sold out our freedoms to Gonzo and Shrub instead of getting together a sensible bill. Both groups are big on National Security above everything else.

They are going overboard with it.

Blue Dogs are deal makers between the parties.

Fisa Bill is "Unwarranted Betrayal"

Why the Democrats caved...Dionne

Harman: White House played the fear card

[beachmom]

17. Jim Webb is not DLC and he voted for this measure. I disagreed

with his vote, but if you read the diary, you will see that the deal struck between Admiral McConnell and the Democrats (the Rockefeller/Levin bill which was acceptable) suddenly was rejected by the WH. It is the WH who renegued. They pulled a bait and switch and it would have taken more than moderate Dems to get a bill passed to fix the loophole. The Dems were outmaneuvered. I don't disagree with the fear factor, but I also think the idea of a backlog of thousands of warrants of foreigner to foreigner calls was unacceptable and needed to be fixed.

[stray cat]

12. You're only in the minority on DU

I would love to see constructive progress from politicians for a change - and that means putting aside political game play to yield constructive results.