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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:21 PM
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"Dems should stop ‘dangling’ nuclear options, Kucinich tells
national television audience"

http://www2.kucinich.us/files/pdfs/Stephonopoulos%20Interview.pdf

video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnKsuzoDalI


"FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Sunday, August 12, 2007

LOS ANGELES, CA – Voters should question the “suitability for office” of any Democratic Presidential candidate who would “dangle the nuclear sword of Damocles” over the whole world by saying nuclear options are “on the table” in dealing with nations in the Middle East.
“It’s insane” to be talking about nuclear options, Ohio Congressman and Democratic Presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich told a national television audience this morning on ABC-TV’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos.” Nuclear saber-rattling “just begs the question as to whether they have the fitness to be president,” Kucinich said.

Instead, “I think that the United States must lead the way for nuclear abolition.” He went on to say, “I think we have to get rid of nuclear weapons. The idea that somehow by having nuclear weapons you make the world a safer place is essentially insane… Under my administration, we will work to abolish nuclear weapons and engage every nation which is a nuclear nation to do the same and every non-nuclear nation not to develop nuclear weapons.”

Kucinich quoted a statement from the inaugural address of President John F. Kennedy: “Let us not negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate.” He explained, “I would lead through multilateral nuclear disarmament” negotiations. People and nations all over the world are concerned about climate change and global warming, he explained. The use of nuclear weapons anywhere would be even more disastrous.

Diplomacy, he said, will more effective than threats in dealing with the volatility in the Middle East that “has been fueled” by the occupation of Iraq. Diplomatic efforts in the region and the withdrawal of U.S. forces, he added, would help bring together other nations, including Iran and Syria, to participate in an international security and peace-keeping force after the U.S. leaves. “I can tell you that every country's concerned about the instability, which our occupation of Iraq continues to bring. So it's clear we need a new direction.”

In the wide-ranging interview, Kucinich also challenged assertions that his electoral appeal is only to the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. On issues such as the war, universal health care, trade policies, and other issues, “I’m at the center” of public sentiment nationally. He went on, “there was so much attention paid to a number of candidates early on, that as people start to see that it's my campaign which is addressing the aspirations of the American people for peace, for health care, for jobs for all. I think that the support is building in my direction.”

He also spoke forcefully on the issue of homeland security, pointing out that U.S. ports are especially vulnerable. “We must have a national security doctrine that involves using good, old-fashioned police work to track down people who appear to be ready to strike at this country. But at the same time, the best defense that we have in America is diplomacy, is a smart intelligence program that cannot be led astray by ideology.” He noted that faulty intelligence was further manipulated by the Bush Administration as an excuse to invade Iraq in the first place.
Kucinich pointed out that he was the only Democratic Presidential candidate to dispute the original intelligence and vote against the war authorization in 2002, the only candidate with a truly universal health care plan, the only one to propose canceling the North American Free Trade Agreement, and the first with a massive public-works jobs program. “People want a president who's right the first time,” Kucinich told Stephanopoulos. “We've already had an audition for the presidency. And, frankly, I'm the only one that's passed it.

Asked about Cleveland-area media commentaries questioning the impact his campaign is having on constituent services in his Congressional district, Kucinich responded, “My constituents are well served.” He pointed out that his Congressional office handles about 10,000 constituent requests per year.

He also asserted that his Presidential campaign is focusing increased public attention on issues that are high priorities in his own Congressional district and all across the county: jobs, health care, the war, and the negative effect that war funding is having on the nation’s domestic agenda.
He pointed specifically to a new bill, co-introduced with Republican Congressman Steve LaTourette, also from Northeast Ohio, that would establish a new infrastructure funding program that would rebuild bridges, water systems, sewer systems, and create millions of new jobs. Initiatives such as that are important to citizens in Cleveland and all across the country, he said."
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:32 PM
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1. The fucked up part is that NO Nation in the Middle East even HAS nuclear weapons...
except for one. Seriously, if we attack anyone in the world that doesn't have nuclear weapons with such weapons ourselves, there would literally be NO excuse, it would be a Holocaust, with a capital H. Talking of it is insane.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:40 PM
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3. Agree and I'm glad that someone is talking about moving our
nation in a different direction, it will be interesting to other candidates respond to what Dennis has said.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 06:56 PM
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23. The Israelis and the Pakistanis both have nuclear weapons.
Which is why talking about reducing multi-laterally the number of weapons is a damn good idea.

Dennis is spot on.

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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 11:46 PM
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26. If you actually read my post you would have noticed that I said...
The fucked up part is that NO Nation in the Middle East even HAS nuclear weapons...

except for one. Seriously, if we attack anyone in the world that doesn't have nuclear weapons with such weapons ourselves, there would literally be NO excuse, it would be a Holocaust, with a capital H. Talking of it is insane.


I decided to emphasize that part for you, for readability, also, as far as Pakistan is concerned, its not in the Middle East, more or less in South Asia, if there is any proper term for it, I'd like to know, but Middle East it is not.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:39 PM
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2. Dennis Has Won Me Over
He is the only politician speaking sensibly these days.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:40 PM
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4. Dennis is right about never exercising our "nuclear option."
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 03:40 PM by AtomicKitten
I was more than pleased with Obama's first response - that nukes should never be considered under any circumstances - although he did the obligatory shuck and jive from that initial response, probably because Hill came out all blustery about not conveying intent.

On a purely psychological basis, Obama's immediate reaction is most certainly what he really thinks. I agree we should never even consider nukes. Just watched White Light, Black Rain on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We should seek to never repeat that episode again.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:57 PM
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6. That's not right
The original nuke question was about Pakistan and terrorists specifically. Obama answered specifically to that situation. Hillary lied about his response, just like she lied about him invading Pakistan. SHE was willing to create an international incident to further her political ambitions. It's what is wrong with her in a nutshell.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:02 PM
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8. I'm referring to the well-publicized radio interview
in which Obama answered the way I characterized.

The whole brouhaha was an exercise in posturing, everybody trying to gain advantage, but I was fine with what I gleaned from an overview of what went down.

I actually liked Obama's response. HRC's was the same old, same old policy of bullying with scare tactics - IMO precisely the opposite of what we need now going forward.

Sorry to hijack this thread about Kucinich. Of course Kucinich is right-on on this; I just steadfastly believe he has zero chance of getting the nod.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:16 PM
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10. Which radio interview?
I don't know that I heard any radio interview. I heard a leaked press question.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:21 PM
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13. here's the text
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 04:23 PM by AtomicKitten
>>"I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance," Obama said, with a pause, "involving civilians." Then he quickly added, "Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table."<<

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-08-02-obama-nukes_N.htm

A convoluted response to say the least (here is where Obama is green), but the first thing that came out of his mouth can reasonably be construed as his gut feeling on the subject.

Hill came out swinging after this, and Obama backed off a bit. I think she's a bad influence on him. Ha, ha.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:25 PM
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14. That was a press gaggle
It was a response to a question specifically about the Pakistan/terrorist brouhaha, which had been cococted into an invasion of Pakistan. Obama didn't back off at all. He just told the truth about the incident, and it apparently hasn't been told enough if people are still confused about it.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:31 PM
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17. I heard the audio clip on several news shows.
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 04:36 PM by AtomicKitten
I think his answer was a bit convoluted but he quite nicely and succinctly laid it to rest in response to the tag-team assault on him in the debate. I thought he kicked ass in the foreign policy segment of the debate. My living room full of people watching the debate stood up and cheered.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 05:01 PM
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18. With the question?
I've never heard it in context, with the question. You didn't even include the caveat about civilians, which is also almost never done. He was misrepresented by someone who maliciously leaked this. It's important that people understand what happened here, and how the media has chosen to run with a story that they know is completely false.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/58722/#more
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 05:05 PM
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19. nope - reporting in context doesn't well serve the bitchy Media Heathers
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 05:08 PM by AtomicKitten
However, the caveat about civilians was in the quote I posted above.

I absolutely agree it's important to examine this oneself and not allow the Media Heathers to yet again impose their bitchy POV on elections.

Thanks for the link. It pretty much states my view of this. Cheers.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 06:29 PM
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21. "under any circumstances"
That's what you said in your post. You did not include "involving civilians". You have already bought into the spin on this, and you don't even know it. Your view is not what happened. You can't just concoct a view to suit your mood. Facts are facts. His response was not a blanket response about nuclear weapons, ever. Hillary would like you to believe it was, why are you helping her perpetuate her myth?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 07:09 PM
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24. w-0-w
I've got about 2 seconds, so here we go.

I already explained that IMO his first response was his gut reaction, almost certainly what he really feels. You can review his first sentence before he started backtracking, slip-sliding, basically being green to politicking, but that's okay. I can live with that.

I am giving you my POV as it stands, take it or leave it. I just don't get into the level of emotional involvement some do to the point that they start second-guessing what people they don't know (the players) are thinking or feeling and framing that motivation ...

We aren't even on the same page, but that's okay.

Have a great day.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 10:21 PM
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25. How we lose to lies
People refuse to accept that they were lied to, and alter their POV accordingly. The question was about terrorists in Pakistan. I don't understand why you can't accept that. I don't know how we're supposed to win elections when people prefer to believe lies, even the lies about their own candidate. You're calling Obama a liar about his own words. I just don't get it.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:44 PM
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5. I don't see why nukes would be on the table with the Middle East
Even if Iran does get nuclear weapons, they will not have long range missiles to launch them into the United States. There are no circumstances under which we will be getting on the phone and playing chicken with any of out enemies in the Middle East.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:20 PM
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12. Hillary said that all options, including nuclear, are on the table with Iran.
That's what she told an adoring AIPAC crowd earlier this year.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:00 PM
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7. Under the Bush Adm. Nukes have Proliferated. Should be a Dem slogan~
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:09 PM
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9. Whatever Happened To Walking Softly
It was sound advice and we should heed it.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:31 PM
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16. Its hard to walk softly when you're King Kong...
Its funny, back in Teddy's day, I think we ranked somewhere in the top 20 in military power, behind Portugal at the time. Nowadays, we are so big and powerful, just taking a single step just creates a big mess.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:17 PM
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11. Nukes must be off the table.
Dennis is correct about this.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:26 PM
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15. Kucinich saved thousands of jobs in Cleveland threatened by BRAC
Asked about Cleveland-area media commentaries questioning the impact his campaign is having on constituent services in his Congressional district, Kucinich responded, “My constituents are well served.” He pointed out that his Congressional office handles about 10,000 constituent requests per year.

And he is still fighting to save jobs in Cleveland that the federal government is trying to outsource elsewhere!

I am not surprised that Clintonista George Stephanopoulos would bring that bullshit charge up!

If you want to end the war in Iraq, prevent a war in Iran, and really help working Americans, elect Dennis Kucinich!
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 06:25 PM
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20. He would probably renew Start 1

...

The treaty is set to expire on December 5, 2009.

General James E. Cartwright, commander of the U.S. Strategic Command, said Wednesday that the refusal to prolong the START-1 Treaty would allow the United States to conduct quick and pinpointed strikes anywhere in the world, which is crucial for an effective fight against global terrorism.
...
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070802/70197039.html
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 06:54 PM
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22. As always, Mr. Kucinich is 100% right! I wish more people would understand that.
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