Want to end the war? Then end Social Security.

[Meldread]

Rather than throwing a bunch of kids over to dodge bullets in a draft, it would be much easier to simply end Social Security. All of the money is gone, spent on Iraq, and we're just going to face an even bigger crisis as baby boomers get ready to collect. End it now, blame it on Bush, and I guarantee you this war will end.

The reality is older people are more likely to vote than younger people, and the voting booth is where it matters most. They are also more inclined to vote for Republicans. Strip them of Social Security and you'll see a quick turn about.

Is it "fair"? No, it isn't. However, neither is sending young people over to Iraq to die. The reality is with the debt we have there is no way to pay for it any longer. The money is gone thanks to Bush.

This is an issue we're going to have to face sooner rather than later no matter what happens.

[independentpiney]

1. Being on SSDI, my daughter & I thank for your compassion n/t

[monmouth]

2. I honestly think you need a nap.....

[Totally Committed]

3. Step away from the keyboard, and take a walk....

It'll help clear your mind and center you.


TC

[Meldread]

9. Maybe you're right.

I swear I am so angry at these people here I can barely see straight. The hypocrisy they are spewing is choking me to death.

[Adelante]

4. I've paid into Social Security my entire working life

to the benefit of the generations who came before and more than willingly. Kick the old people to the curb. Nice Democratic message there.

[Meldread]

6. How is it any worse?

Than believing young people should be forced to go die in Iraq just to end the war? A war, I mind you, that those who support a draft here don't even support.

It seems hypocritical to ask for young people to sacrifice their lives but not to ask the older generation to sacrifice their cash. Cash, I mind you, that is no longer there.

Of course, I'm not REALLY in favor of this, but if it was debated I am certain it would make a good point. People always become motivated when you threaten their wallet.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. That's throwing out the baby along with the bathwater.

Doesn't make any sense. Social security is vital and should never be touched. The day it is, there will literally be dead bodies strewn on the streets of the U.S., not just in Iraq. Let's focus on getting the serial killers out of the White House and into prison. How about that?

[windbreeze]

21. Seems to me...that this is a voluntary military still...isn't it???

when they signed on, they were told they would do what they were told to do...that they are considered Gov't issue...that their ass would go to war if there was one, while their enlistment was in force...No one held a gun to any of their heads when they enlisted, and no one forced them...they volunteered...

on the other hand...I suppose they would rather be here supporting mom and dad in their old age, and providing all they need...such as medical care, a home to live in, food, clothing...etc....yes, now that I think of it...I am sure that's so...
wb

[sandnsea]

26. One is as dumb as the other

If that's your point, then I agree. Young people should not have to sacrifice their lives if old people don't have to sacrifice theirs. It is their life you're asking for, btw, it takes money to live.

[lazer47]

5. You seriously need to get off those drugs dude and get a life

[Donnachaidh]

7. Wow -- what an ENLIGHTENED post.

I sincerely hope you find your way back to Freeperville. You're hitting ALL the puke talking points. And they say women have week long hissy fits. :eyes:

[CountAllVotes]

8. people collecting SS are Republicans?

Wow, what drugs have you been taking lately? You are delusional and another one of these me, me, me, me, me types.

Do you give a damn about anyone but yourself in this world?

I'd be ashamed if I'd posted something like this. To connect Social Security to war and political orientation is plain idiotic. Got any statistics to back this claim of yours up? I rather doubt it!

Not all people collecting Social Security are necessarily old. Or did you not realize that? :grr:

[emilyg]

18. or vote repug

[Parmenion]

10. Don't Worry I Understand You Meldread

It seems everyone that posted on this thread entirely missed the point of Meldread's message...

You know Jonathan Swift did not seriously endorse the eating of babies?

[Raejeanowl]

11. What?

Is this an age-ism thing for you? Because it sounds like you think boomers are responsible for all of our ills. Like the boomers you're talking about haven't already been decimated one way or another by Vietnam, or they don't have their own kids dying at war now? Like we haven't, as one poster said, paid in our entire lives, and some of us have disabled family to support.

And hello, some of us are lifelong, super-voting Democrats.

The monetary cost of this war is a drop in the bucket compared to the SS liability, and it's an issue we'll have to resolve by other, (unfortunately) less simplistic means.

[Meldread]

13. Don't you understand?

I'm not SERIOUSLY suggesting it as a course of action. What I am saying is basically this: If you want to have an impact that will stop the war, this will end it faster than a draft.

I'm 25 years old. I know people who are serving in Iraq right now. I know people who have come and gone for multiple tours. I know people who have paid more than cash for Iraq - I know people who have paid for Iraq in blood.

It makes me see red angry to see people here suggesting that there should be a draft. Why? Because it will just enable more people to suffer. It seems to me that those suggesting it are those who have nothing to lose personally. There is a serious misconception of young people here on these forums. We work harder than the baby boomers did when they were our age for the same things they got. They seem to have a warped perception of young people as iPhone loving, iPod carrying disengaged and lazy citizens. It's a pile of bull.

This thread was aimed at those people. They are disconnected from the reality that if there were a draft there is little we could do to stop it. They seem to be stuck in some 60's/70's mindset that just doesn't exist anymore. They can protest all they'd like if it ever happened, but it wouldn't change the fact that their support of a draft places blood on their hands just as much as it does Bush's.

The fact that anyone would even suggest turning more Americans over to such a despotic man is simply beyond fathomable.

[sarge43]

12. Just for the record

I collect Social Security (after having paid into it for 43 years); I don't support this ghastly war or reinstating the draft (I'm retired military); I'm a Yellow Dog Dem (have been for probably longer than you've been voting).

So, if you want me to give up the income I've earn and need to live on, what are you going to sacrifice to end this war?

[Hippo_Tron]

14. I don't support the war either and am a yellow dog dem as well, yet some say I need to be drafted

I don't support what the OP is proposing, and neither does the OP really.

But I pose the same question whenever someone posts a thread in favor of the draft or mandatory service. Why do I need to sacrifice just because I am young and older people don't need to? I get responses like "I don't have time for mandatory service because I work. But whatever you are doing right now certainly isn't as important as what I'm doing."

I think that sacrifice needs to be all or nothing, not pinned on a specific age group.

[Hippo_Tron]

15. K and R

[LWolf]

16. I have a better idea.

How about, instead of instituting drafts, getting rid of social security, and any other people-harming, extreme recourse,

we simply QUIT FUNDING THE WAR.

[Meldread]

17. Agreed, and to expand...

We actually vote for and force Democratic Congress members to do it. If not we get rid of them. Simple as that. You'll never get support like that around here, though, because once you start looking for ways to hold them accountable you begin to find yourself working against the party.

[LWolf]

24. I think that's a good plan, myself.

A strong party is a healthy party, not a party riddled with corruption.

[MODemocrat]

20. That's just plain mean spirited-many of us depend on Soc Sec

I'll be 75 years old in November, I'm not a republican, the thought makes me want to barf. People who
have to depend on Social Security are going to be penalized for working all their lives and being
required to pay into the system!! This was put in place for a safety net for retired people, or too ill or too young to work, ones who lose their parent in their childhood; certainly is NOT welfare like some would like to imply. As much as I want this quagmire to end and get our people back home; I don't want them to do it on mine nor any other recipients' dime. :mad: :think:

[windbreeze]

22. WOW...talk about misconceptions....n/t

[uppityperson]

23. sometimes satire (sarcasm?) is taken seriously

after reading what I have on DU today about the draft, even I had to stop and think here for a minute. k&r too

[DrDan]

25. there is nothing the rePigs would like more than to do away with

social security . . . it is an anathema to them.

Doing away with it frees more of the debt to allow these cretins to wage more wars, more vigorous ones . . . like into Iran.

I certainly do not agree with you conclusion that it would end the war - only solidify the greedy base that wants to see it's demise.

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. So if there aren't enough votes to cut off funding for the war, you thing there are

enough votes in Congress end Social Security in order to end the war?

:rofl:

[AZBlue]

28. Rude, mean, stupid, pointless and heartless.

Yeah...thanks for the post.

[laugle]

29. I think the rethugs are turning dems into "POD" people! Look at McCain, it's not him anymore! LOL