Guilani beating Hillary easily in Colorado

[TeamJordan23]

Giuliani Leads Clinton in Colorado
Tuesday, August 14, 2007

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani has a ten-point lead over New York Senator Hillary Clinton in race for Colorado’s nine Electoral Votes. It’s Giuliani 50%, Clinton 40%.

Arizona Senator John McCain leads Clinton by just three points while the former First Lady is essentially even with former Tennessee Senator Fred Thompson and former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. However, Clinton doesn’t attract more than 45% support against any of the GOP hopefuls. No Democrat has earned more than 45% of the vote in Colorado since 1964. In national polling, Clinton struggles to reach the 50% mark because people have very strong feelings about her—both positive and negative. Forty-six percent (46%) of all voters say they will vote against Clinton if she is on the ballot in 2008.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/giuliani_leads_clinton_in_colorado

[That Is Quite Enough]

1. Colorado's a blood red state. Nothing new here.

[tridim]

5. You must live in fundy land, Denver is very blue.

The state as a whole is trending blue even with Colorado Springs and Pastor Ted trying their damnedest to paint it red.

[colorado thinker]

6. Au contraire Grasshopper!

Democratic governor, and legislature. Lots of rethuglican voters, I agree. But purple now, not red.

[That Is Quite Enough]

8. Well I suppose purple's better than red.

I know it was bluer than usual in 2006. :toast:

Still, we'll have to see if the state becomes overwhelmingly disappointed with their Congress critters and returns to being overwhelmingly red.

[FreakinDJ]

12. Face the facts - Hilary is "Un-electable"

Even out here in California, an extremely BLUE state that contributed vast amounts of money to Gore's and Kerry's campaign the women don't want Hilary

Sorry just the facts

If the DNC attempts to ram Hilary down the democratic throat of this country they are going to hand the Republicans an election all the experts have claimed the Dems couldn't possibly lose. Furthermore they are going to preside over a "Death Blow" to the democratic party

[That Is Quite Enough]

13. Where did I say she was electable?

I'm not a fan of Clinton at all. I'm merely pointing out that a Republican beating a Democrat in a solidly red state isn't breaking news.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

27. Yeah, my trepidation exactly

Among my Democratic friends, the most intense and deep-rooted anger against Hillary seems to be stemming from young Democratic women more than any other demographic group. It's among this group that I've found more expressions of intention to never vote for Hillary (and select a third party), than among any other. Even among Democrats, she's a very polarizing figure.

[rinsd]

34. "Even among Democrats, she's a very polarizing figure" Her approval ratings are in the 80's w/ Dems

Higher than either Edwards or Obama.

[renie408]

42. Really

Approval ratings in the above 80 percent for Hillary Clinton amongst all Dems? I find that one hard to believe. And what does it matter? What will screw her in a GE isn't whether or not Dems love her, it's how much the GOP hates her. While they might have a hard time getting their base excited about crushing Edwards, those knuckle draggers will come out of the woodwork to defeat Hillary Clinton.

[rinsd]

44. Links to polling

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/?ci=28363

"among Democrats -- 84% rate Clinton favorably and 13% unfavorably."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/rasmussen/20070730/pl_rasmussen/hillarydefaultcandidate20070730

"However, while the overall public is divided in its assessment of Clinton, the former First Lady remains very popular in the party she hopes to lead. Currently, 84% of Democrats have a favorable opinion of her."

[William769]

32. So why is she over 50% in the polls in Caifornia?

Somebody out there likes her. Oh wait you don't so that makes it ok. :eyes:

[rinsd]

35. "women don't want Hilary" That is simply not correct.

If anything women are driving Hillary's numbers both in CA and nationally.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=09756021-204b-4006-ac7e-2b89f6468ba4

[catgirl]

29. Perhaps they just won't go for Hillary

I bet the majority would vote for Gore though.

[rockymountaindem]

41. Shows what you know n.t.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. That's Fucked

I really, really dislike Mrs. Clinton - but she's an angel compared to Il Douche. Giuliani is a self-aggrandizing thug.

I hope that middle America gets a clue about this - but I'm not counting on it.

[SaveElmer]

3. Considering its a red state that I don't believe she has set foot in...

Not bad...within MoE of all but Guiliani and certainly within striking distance of him...

Same poll showed Hillary beating all Repubs in Florida, by pretty good margins, beating all in New Hampshire, and beating all in Ohio except she was tied with Guiliani...

Combined with Quinnipiac a few days ago, this shows her increasing strength in the swing states...with her beating Republicans in nearly every situation, and well in front of Democratic challengers...with her neagtives dropping significantly in these states as well...

[illinoisprogressive]

4. count me as one of the 46% who will not vote for her.

[Captain Hilts]

7. You vote in Colorado too? Isn't that just like someone from Illinois.....nt

[AlCzervik]

9. are you moving to Co.?

[Hawkeye-X]

11. I live in Colorado and I am *NOT* voting for the following candidates..

Obama
Clinton
Kucinich
Biden
Dodd
Gravel

I am leaning/voting for:

Albert Arnold Gore, Jr.
John Edwards is my 2nd choice.

Hawkeye-X

[Colobo]

14. Give Obama another chance.

[Hawkeye-X]

15. Sorry, i just don't give current Senators a thought at all.

Besides, Obama has not completely finished his first full term and now he wants to be president?

Sorry, he's just not ready yet. Ask me in 2016 when he's more seasoned.

Hawkeye-X

[Colobo]

16. Hopefully he will win in 08 and make you proud.

[sandnsea]

19. That's all Edwards has, one term senator

How can you use that as criteria? Edwards has got nothing to run on. He's a lawyer who got rich. How hard is that? You can say you like his message better, or you trust him more for whatever reason. But you can't choose Edwards on political experience, that's just laughable.

[Colobo]

20. The person just doesn't like Obama.

[Hawkeye-X]

22. OK. I made Edwards an exception - do you know why?

After he left the Senate, he travelled all over the country and REALLY listened to the people, I don't mean by the fatcats, but the actual people who took the time out to discuss issues with Edwards. Obama and Hillary give them the "yeha, yeah, ok, I'll do whatever" and doesn't really listen. Based on Edward's platform that I have looked over, some are excellent, some are okay, some not that good, but the key is, that Edward followed Gore's steps and did this on his own, on his own money (I don't care if he's a rich lawyer or not), and started out in the right direction and continued to do it.

Remember, Gore is my first choice above all candidates, and if Gore isn't running, then I'll have to go with Edwards. The only reason why Obama and Hillary are 1-2 is because the media pushes their crap to boost up their corporatist candidates.

Hawkeye-X

[Cameron27]

23. I'm not sure that Edwards only used his own money

to travel the country after 2004. I have to google it, but I don't think that's entirely true. He also chose to work and invest in a hedge fund after that election; a hedge fund that's mission was in direct conflict with the rhetoric Edwards' was using at the same time.

[sandnsea]

38. He learned that from Kerry

Who always has people going up to him for actual help with real problems. So yeah, I think that's a great reason to support Edwards. Makes more sense than not supporting Senators just because they're Senators.

[JVS]

30. I'm curious as to why Edwards and not the others?

I've known you for some time, and I don't mean to challenge your decision or anything. I just sincerely want to know the reasons. Please let me know either here or by PM.

[FreakinDJ]

10. We need a ticket that "Middle America" can embrace

One that will actually restore the constitution

I'm afraid Hilary is not it

DNC politics "Impeachment is off the table" and "the back door is wide open for Defense Contractor campaign contributions" politics as usual

[TeamJordan23]

17. More and more, I think GOP will nominate Guilani. nm

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

26. Giuliani's crushing the other Republicans

Latest poll was around 40% Giuliani, 16% Thompson, the rest way back in the pack. What I found even more surprising, is that Giuliani's core of support is among evangelical Christians and social conservatives. As I've said before, the Republican social conservative base is much more pragmatic than we often give them credit for.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

40. The Republican social conservative base is more ignorant than the media would lead you to believe.

I live in Iowa, where voters are supposedly "tuned in," and most of Rudy's supporters have no idea that he's pro-gay rights, pro-choice, pro-gun control, and likes to dress up in drag for good measure. They know him as Mr. 9/11. The other thing they know is that he's a Republican. So they assume he hates gays just like they do.

[paulk]

18. actually, Kerry got 47% in 2004, don't know where this writer

gets his info...

Even though CO is turning "purple", some of the Dems we've put in office aren't all that "blue". The Salazar brothers, for instance.
It's going to be an uphill battle for any liberal Democrat in 2008, unless they balance the ticket with a more conservative running mate. Richardson, for instance.

Personally, I'm not that worried about Giulliani... even if he gets the nom, which is far from a given, his three marriages and revelations of his adulterous affairs aren't going to go over too well with the religious right in CO. I think they'll sit it out if he gets the nod.

[LaPera]

21. And so it goes - Back & forth...Are they keeping you interested?

Let's see the actual votes cast....

[rinsd]

24. I guess this all Obama supporters have since there's little good polling news about their guy (nt)

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

25. Colorado is *not* a Red State, it's been trending among the Bluest recently

Demographics is a part of this, but it's also because Coloradans are utterly furious at the blunders of the Bush Administration and the Iraq War. This is terrible news for the Hillary campaign.

[wyldwolf]

28. "No Democrat has earned more than 45% of the vote in Colorado since 1964" How's Obama doing there?

[rinsd]

31. Ohh the things you find while poking around

Same poll - http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_2008__1/state_toplines/colorado_toplines_august_8_2007

Is Barack Obama experienced enough to be Commander-in-Chief?

27% Yes

51% No

22% Not Sure

[wyldwolf]

36. LOL. Very true

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[William769]

37. It should also be noted that Rasmussen is using numbers from Fox News.

Now for the hundredth time are you all only going to say these are accurate polls when they are against Hillary, and inaccurate polls when they are positive for Hillary concerning Fox News. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS! I will call you all on it every time.

[Catherine Vincent]

39. ...

:thumbsup:

[Colobo]

43. Relax Willie! Don't take things too seriously over here.

[William769]

45. Sorry, I call bullshit when I see it.

And there has been enough bullshit around here to fertilize...

[Colobo]

49. Your candidate is winning so far. Don't sweat it.

We, Obamaniacs, and those who support Edwards, are the ones who have to sweat it right now.

[Cameron27]

46. WTF, Guiliani?

WHAT the hell are these people drinking?

[Perry Logan]

47. This thread gets today's "Totally Bogus Thread" Award!

And wouldn't you know it would be an anti-Hillary thread?

[William769]

48. Desperate times calls for desperate measures.

:rofl: