Gore tops all Democrats in New Michigan Poll!

[SharonRB]

The Detroit News/WXYZ-TV poll includes these findings with Gore in the mix

Al Gore - 36%.
Hillary Clinton - 32%.
Barack Obama - 16%.
John Edwards - 8%.
When Gore was excluded from the choices, the results were

Hillary Clinton - 45%.
Barack Obama - 26%.
John Edwards - 16%.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/14/182646/012

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070814/UPDATE/708140452


Run, Al, run!

[Colobo]

1. Obama needs to do more. How can he convince people he is the choice?

[frogcycle]

7. actually have credentials?

[Hippo_Tron]

14. There's still 5 months left and Hillary's got 12 years worth of name recognition on him

This thing is going to get closer after labor day when people start paying more attention.

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

22. Exactly, also the "anti-Hillary vote" is split right now

I strongly suspect that most of the Edwards supporters (and those of Gravel, Kucinich) would gravitate toward Obama over Hillary, which gives him a big advantage as the race narrows. Obama also has an ace up his sleeve-- the open primaries, where Obama is much more popular among Independents.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

26. More "resistance is futile. All your votes belong to Clobama"

The latest national poll had Obama with a mere 5 point lead over Edwards for 2nd (Obama once had a 16 point lead over Edwards when he was at 31% in that poll). The idea among many Obama fans that Obama will inevitably become the anti-HRC is even more flawed than the belief among some HRC fans that HRC is the inevitable nominee. A HRC nomination is more likely than Obama finishing 2nd...

[draft_mario_cuomo]

25. I once thought that as well but as Obama's name ID has increased his poll numbers have dropped

He was better off being a completely blank slate.

[Hippo_Tron]

28. People aren't paying much attention yet

Hillary is a known commodity. I should have elaborated and gone beyond name ID to say that unlike Obama and to a certain extent Edwards, people know who Hillary is and they know a little something about her. I'm telling you, wait until labor day and there will be gains for both Obama and Edwards.

[closeupready]

2. This is his chance. He really should just give it another try. Heck, he already won once.

:D So this is old hat for him. lol

[babylonsister]

3. Big recommend - he 'gets' it. nt

[Hieronymus]

4. Oh God, do you think Gore will give in and run? I hope so.

[harun]

23. I hope come January he sweeps in to vanquish Hillary (n/t)

[sueh]

5. I'll give it a kick and recommend. Come on, Al!!

[DesertRat]

6. 5th Rec. for President Gore!

:kick:

[SharonRB]

8. Thanks, DesertRat!

[The Count]

9. Probably true of many other polls if they were correct.

I don't buy CNN's 11% for a second!

[jgraz]

10. How late is too late?

If he's not in by the end of September, he's never gonna be in.

[SnowGoose]

44. Bill Clinton announced on October 3, 1991

To be fair, things have been getting more front loaded since then, and there are usually many indications before the announcement, in terms of getting staff and what not.

On the other hand, Al is vastly better known than Clinton was, has 8 years as VP (with peace and prosperity), has already been vetted by the 2000 campaign (in terms having already taken all the shots from the GOP), is looking very prescient with the climate thing, and with his warnings about the folly of invading Iraq. So that gives him a lot of cred.

And, let's not kid ourselves, a *LOT* of people feel he was shafted in 2000, and it would appeal to people's sense of fairness to give him a shot.

We'll just have to see.

[ginnyinWI]

11. I think he could beat Hillary.

I notice nobody on the Right is trying to demonize him and thereby strengthening him with Dems.

But they are doing it to Hillary. Rove: "she's fatally flawed."

[Semper_FiFi]

15. Could it be because Gore is not currently in the running??

If and when Al Gore chooses to jump into the race, I think it is highly possible that the right wing media machine and all their pit bulls will launch right into him. I doubt that they had dubbed him untouchable and unassailable or that they bear any shame for their former smear campaigns. They are just saving their ammunition (whatever it may be) so that it may damage him most. They are not going to waste their attacks and shoot their load prematurely to no effect.

I have to admit that I find it strange to read a Rovian quote as if it held some kernel of truth. The man is evil incarnate: his ramblings are highly suspect and not words of wisdom.

[JTFrog]

16. Good luck with that.

They've been tearing into him non stop since Inconvenient Truth. Not working real well is it?

[Semper_FiFi]

20. My reply was to post #11

"I notice nobody on the Right is trying to demonize(sic) him and thereby strengthening him with Dems.

But they are doing it to Hillary. Rove: "she's fatally flawed"."

Yet, you choose to preach to me. Thank you for your concern.

[JTFrog]

24. And I was replying to this:

"If and when Al Gore chooses to jump into the race, I think it is highly possible that the right wing media machine and all their pit bulls will launch right into him."

He doesn't have to be running, they launched into him as soon as An Inconvenient Truth came out. They've spent billions of dollars just to try to discredit Mr. Gore on global warming. They tried to call him a hypocrite. Tried to fall back on all the old right wing talking points, he's fat, he's boring, blah blah blah. How's that working out for them?

[Semper_FiFi]

31. You are right. They have said all that can be said about Al Gore.

They have done their best and will not try any other dirty tricks in order to discredit him if he runs. :eyes:

[understandinglife]

12. And, He Will BE The Next President of the USA ....

[autorank]

42. I'll second that emotion! n/t

[Usrename]

13. There's no question that he is electable...

he's already proved that once.

[earthlover]

17. It's Gore's if he wants it...

He takes more votes from Hillary than from others, which would be good for him because every vote switch not only raises Gores totals, it also lowers Hillary's.

Gore has the name recognition, and with the global warming crusade, a lot of built up good will. It would be impossible for the media to ignore him, like they largely did with Clark. Gore would become an almost instant contender, and before the primaries actually start he would probably be the front runner. Plenty of time.

[mentalsolstice]

18. K&R eom

[catgirl]

19. Go Gore!!!

This makes New Hampshire and Michigan (so far).

[Purveyor]

21. Al Gore beat * in 2000 by over 200,000 votes. Run Al run! K&R

[NYCGirl]

29. Gore beat Bush by over 500,000 votes. NT

[Uncle Joe]

34. And even that figure doesn't include all the purged likely Democratic voters,

and butterfly ballot, Gore intending, accidental Buchanan voters.

[snappyturtle]

27. kick! n/t

[frogcycle]

30. much as I don't want to "demand" that Gore jump in

he does not "owe" anybody anything - I sure hope he decides he could not live with himself if he didn't ride to the country's rescue.

This poll, I believe, is indicative of the situation in a lot more of the country than just Michigan.

The huge advantage Gore has is that he is not only highly qualified/experienced, but also has been right on the issues like climate, Iraq..., and has a popular following

He pretty much combines the best of all the candidates with little or none of the negatives.

The public sees this, and the poll reflects that. If he can glom that many votes on a hypothetical, think how quickly he'd woo more of them if he actually entered.

Gore/Edwards - that's the ticket!

Or Gore/Clark

Both Clark and Edwards have a LOT to offer on policy and initiatives to fix this mess. Either one can be Veep as long as the other has some official position from which to work. Actually, they might both PREFER such a setup - let someone else be Veep and just get an office and a staff and some clout. I can see Edwards working the poverty/healthcare/labor agenda via drafting legislation, lobbying congress, and having some sort of influence over the various cabinet branches. I can see Clark as SecState, NSD, or even that bullshit job bush created for Lute. I can see Richardson as SecState. Or Biden.

We CANNOT let this primary process be so toxic that we don't benefit from the best of all these people. I think AG is the one who could draw the others in with "no hard feelings"

Kucinich, Clinton, Dodd, and Obama might serve best by staying in the Senate/congress, unless we could assure dem replacements. And they might prefer it, career-wise. Biden has been there so long he has itchy feet. If not SecState maybe UN ambassador. Dodd might feel the same way. All should be approached and given a chance to join or not without prejudice.

Hell, Gravel might like a job figuring out how to dismantle the K-Street mob!

[catgirl]

32. There is a draft movement for Al Gore 2008

looking for good volunteers!

[Capn Sunshine]

35. I really hate to see all that energy wasted

he's not running. It would be nice to work as hard for a declared candidate.

[frogcycle]

37. i must not have been clear

i don't want to demand he run. That is what a draft movement is. I can guarantee you ther is nothing anyone can say that he does not already know. I hope he decides to enter, but it's his call.

[DU GrovelBot]

33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##

==================
GROVELBOT.EXE v4.0
==================



This week is our third quarter 2007 fund drive. Democratic
Underground is a completely independent website. We depend on donations
from our members to cover our costs. Thank you so much for your support.

[FogerRox]

36. Gore 44.

KnR

[AtomicKitten]

38. Wonderful.

Run, Al, run.

[Mabus]

39. Now that's the kind of news I like to see

:woohoo:

K&R

[rosesaylavee]

40. Waiting for the announcement, Mr. President!

[Kurovski]

41. K&R. (nt)

[Danieljay]

43. a Gore/Obama ticket would rock in my opinion. Personally, I dont think Hillary can win, and

i would have a difficult time listening to her for the next four years anyway. She grates on my nerves and every answer she gives is a political calculation and lacks in personal integrity. Just my humble opinion.

Flame on.