My Republican Friends Finally Admitting Failure - But for a wierd reason

[leftyladyfrommo]

I kept wondering how they were going to get themselves out of their dilemma. They were all rabid Bush supporters - rabid Republicans. And they have never been able to admit that there might actually be a problem with the Bush adm.

But yesterday I heard that it is time for a new president. But it is because the Republican party suffers from the same problem that all long term adm. face. After two terms in office all adm. kind of fall apart and have problems with just about everything. I guess that is how the argument goes.

Its a lousy argument but I am surprised that they admitted even that much.

[CanonRay]

1. Obviously, it's all our fault for not supporting them.

[leftyladyfrommo]

2. I used to hear them say the strangest things about Bush.

I think they thought that people were just being mean to him. He would make the slightest misstep and everyone would jump on it. Media was unfair to him. I guess that they still think that he is basically a nice guy.

I am amazed at the power to total denial.

[rodeodance]

3. they are helped out by the msm----as i have heard that several times!

[SteppingRazor]

4. Well, they've got a point. But it's no excuse.

Clinton had impeachment, Reagan had Iran-Contra, Nixon had Watergate, Bush has, well, everything ... you have to go all the way back to Eisenhower to find a two-term president who didn't get excoriated in his second term.

That said, I don't think it's an excuse. You can't just say that the last few presidential second terms have been bad, therefore this one must be too. One doesn't necessarily follow from the other.

[leftyladyfrommo]

5. Yea. They are stretching a bit here.

But it is the first time I have heard them even give an inch.

[underpants]

6. "It happens all the time" is familiar refrain that I have heard too

"Everyone is corrupt" "Corruption is everywhere" is a great cover as well.

The Clinton administration did "fall apart" it was working fine up and until the last day. They were hindered by ridiculous fishing legal expeditions and hounding by the corporate media but in terms of operations they were going along just fine. The bottom literally dropped out on 1-20-01 and 8months later we felt/saw the effects of that.

[unpossibles]

7. well, it fits with the GOP's two main tactics for taking over

1 - it discourages people from voting, or that the voting process even works (see: election fraud, poll tax, disenfranchisement, etc.)

2 - it backs up the idea that "government=bad" which they want to use to convince people to vote for them. I've never understood this one personally, but somehow it works and the MSM is a major accomplice here.

Whenever I hear some rightist proclaim that everyone is corrupt, I admit somewhat shamefully, that if I think they'd never vote for a Democrat, I try my best to convince them to vote third party, to put their money where their mouth is, so to speak. "Oh, you hate government? Then here's some Libertarian literature to check out. be sure to vote for them." I know it's somewhat dishonest of me, but I would have more respect for them, even though I have almost no respect for the capital "L" Libertarian party.

[FredStembottom]

8. Around the freight warehouse I work in.....

.... that's exactly the conventional wisdom now from the rabid conservatives I know.

They're ALL corrupt! Dems and Repubs. alike! They are ALL bi-partisan, these f**kin' scandals!

Very understandable reaction to being raped by one's political "parents". Afterall, some of these guys used to pursue me (a known liberal) around the place to holler triumphantly about suppossed neo-con "victories".

Probably some known stage of grieving for them now........

[underpants]

10. And as Rove leaves how many times have you heard Abramoff's name?

Even in the lib/left pieces I have read there is little mention of Rove, the K Street project, and Abramoff.

There is no scandal as huge as that one. That was a good old fashioned shakedown. Oh let's not forget that the Foley thing was never dealt with because Rove couldn't figure out a good time to dump that live body.

[coco77]

12. Yes, and now that they want to admit it...

they make sure to lump the Dems in with their distaste for their party.

[Cosmocat]

9. Yep ...

It really is the last line of defense ...

All pols are corrupts and incompetent, so shut up ... Not that these freaks didn't spend an entire decade leading up to this century RAILING about clinton and democrats corruption and how the GOP had the kind of "values" that made THEM the answer to all that was wrong in politics ...

It kind of is like the Vietnam movies, when the american base is overrun by Vietcong, and they call in the the air force to bomb the base ... 6 years of bullying, rationalizing, excusing, blaming ... ALL the ways they tried to deny that their crew is the EPITOME of incompetence and corruption, and all they are left with is to throw their hands up and say EVERYONE is that bad ...

[underpants]

11. Should read "The Clinton administration did NOT fall apart..."

I can't edit that post now.