flpoljunkie
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Fri Aug-17-07 11:50 AM
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Obama yesterday in Iowa,"After all, the war in Iraq wasn't cooked up by folks in Council Bluffs..." |
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Edited on Fri Aug-17-07 11:51 AM by flpoljunkie
"After all, the war in Iraq wasn't cooked up by folks in Council Bluffs," said Obama. "It was authorized by politicians in Washington who said they knew better." ("than you did") And if that's what conventional thinking on foreign policy amounts to, conventional thinking has to change." http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3487868Just heard the entire quote on CNN. Very interesting that ABC ommitted "than you did" from their quote.
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Fri Aug-17-07 11:53 AM
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1. how far is Obama gonna have to drop before he realizes that dog don't hunt. nt. |
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Fri Aug-17-07 11:58 AM
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3. I think you will find that "dog hunts" with a lot of Dems, esp. those who marched in the streets |
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and were, not only ignored by their members of Congress, but told they didn't know Dick.
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:00 PM
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5. apparently this "lot of Dems" actually counts for negative support. nt. |
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:03 PM
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6. Sure, just ask President Dean and Vice President Clark nt |
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Fri Aug-17-07 02:25 PM
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15. We weren't ignored by Congress, Just some of them. |
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Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, The DLC/BlueDogs.
Here are the ones who listened: The Democratic Party Honor Roll These Democrats should be remembered for their principled stand against the WAR Machine.
IWR
United States Senate
In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq :
Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii) Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico) Barbara Boxer (D-California) Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia) Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota) Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey) Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota) Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin) Bob Graham (D-Florida) Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont) Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts) Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) Carl Levin (D-Michigan) Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland) Patty Murray (D-Washington) Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island) Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland) Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan) The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota) Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)
Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)
United States House of Representatives
Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Represenatives:
Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii) Tom Allen (D-Maine) Joe Baca (D-California) Brian Baird (D-Washington DC) John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine) Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin) Xavier Becerra (D-California) Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon) David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office) Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania) Corinne Brown (D-Florida) Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) Lois Capps (D-California) Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts) Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland) Julia Carson (D-Indiana) William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri) Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office) James Clyburn (D-South Carolina) Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office) John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan) Jerry Costello (D-Illinois) William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office) Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland) Susan Davis (D-California) Danny Davis (D-Illinois) Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon) Diana DeGette (D-Colorado) Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts) Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut) John Dingell (D-Michigan) Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas) Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania) Anna Eshoo (D-California) Lane Evans (D-Illinois) Sam Farr (D-California) Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania) Bob Filner (D-California) Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts) Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas) Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois) Alice Hastings (D-Florida) Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office) Maurice Hinchey (D-New York) Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas) Rush Holt (D-New Jersey) Mike Honda (D-California) Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon) Inslee Jackson (Il.) Jackson-Lee (TX) Johnson, E.B. Jones (OH) Kaptur Kildee Kilpatrick Kleczka Kucinich LaFalce Langevin Larsen (WA) Larson (CT) Lee Levin Lewis (GA) Lipinski Lofgren Maloney (CT) Matsui McCarthy (MO) McCollum McDermott McGovern McKinney Meek (FL) Meeks (NY) Menendez Millender-McDonald Miller Mollohan Moran (Va) Nadler Napolitano Neal Oberstar Obey Olver Owens Pallone Pastor Payne Pelosi Price (NC) Rahall Rangel Reyes Rivers Rodriguez Roybal-Allard Rush Sabo Sanchez Sanders Sawyer Schakowsky Scott Serrano Slaughter Snyder Solis Stark Strickland Stupak Thompson (CA) Thompson (MS) Tierney Towns Udall (NM) Udall (CO) Velazquez Visclosky Waters Watson Watt Woolsey Wu
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Fri Aug-17-07 08:05 PM
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18. The problem is while they were marching, Obama was giving Bush money to keep screwing up in Iraq |
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:05 PM
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8. Yeah...people LOVE the war...what could Obama be thinking? |
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:rofl:
They also love the politicians that voted for it. What's a trillion here,a a trillion there anyway...yunno?
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:08 PM
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9. I am certainly impressed with his votes to end funding for said war. nt. |
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Sat Aug-18-07 09:58 AM
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21. so you want the troops to be stuck there with no funding? |
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do you think a lack of funding is going to force Bush to pull them out? Bush, who doesn't give a shit about the troops?
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Fri Aug-17-07 11:56 AM
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2. Isn't the omitted part something that could be fairly called, implied? |
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To the point it doesn't really need to be repeated for the sense of the quote to be accurate?
I've seen far worse.
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Fri Aug-17-07 11:59 AM
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4. I've seen worse as well, but this seems a deliberate omission. |
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:04 PM
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7. It is amusing how his numbers have been falling since he has been forced to resort to the IWR card |
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:12 PM
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10. Does he realize that it only displays a disingenousness at worst... |
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:16 PM
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11. Apparently not and let's hope he doesn't figure it out until he finishes 3rd or 4th in Iowa |
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Fri Aug-17-07 04:04 PM
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17. He plays the card because it is his to play. |
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He came out hard and strong against the Iraq War in 2002. That's a fact.
He is neither disingenuous nor stupid to emphasize that which separates him from the others; in fact, quite the opposite.
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Sat Aug-18-07 10:13 AM
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23. The problem with this IWR card - |
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He wasn't in the Senate at the time and everyone knows it. His subsequent votes when he actually was in the room don't help with the argument.
I honestly think he needs to stick with his "can't we all just get along" message. BO's best asset is himself - not his policies.
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Sat Aug-18-07 10:03 AM
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22. Ya. If they fall any further, perhaps he'll have to resort to calling people |
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"devlish" names... :eyes:
If you think he's just now "resorting" to the IWR card, you haven't been paying attention. He's talked about this as a tragic illustration of (mis)judgment since his campaign began.
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:28 PM
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Apparently you weren't watching the AFL-CIO forum when Hillary tried to chastise Obama for saying what he thought lest "our enemies" listen in.
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:30 PM
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13. Curious as to why this is controversial or damaging for him to say. |
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This is the truth. Oh wait...I forgot, he's not supposed to say what he thinks. He's supposed to to filter his thoughts and words through consultants first.
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Fri Aug-17-07 12:44 PM
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14. No, no, it's just that we all have to keep our plans secret because the |
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Edited on Fri Aug-17-07 12:46 PM by hedgehog
bad guys are listening. We have to trust our politicians to know what needs to be done without anyone asying anything our loud! You must learn to read the secret messages being sent out by which tie the men wear or how much cleavage Ms. Clinton shows. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge)
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Sat Aug-18-07 12:41 AM
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19. It's controversial because it makes certain other candidates look bad |
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Fri Aug-17-07 04:00 PM
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cooked up there but it sure as hell was supported, COMPLETELY!
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Sat Aug-18-07 12:49 AM
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20. the media is doing Hillarys work for her, trying to paint Obama as inexperienced. |
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Sat Aug-18-07 10:15 AM
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24. I apologize - I didn't mean to yawn in your face. |
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