Which candidates are most likely to invade/destabilize venezuela?

[Bongo Prophet]

It seems that venezuela gets a lot of grief over every move.
Chavez threads are all the rage, with a great divergence of pro and con, with MUCH disinformation,and even DUers wanting to invade and/or destabilize the sovereign nation of Venezuela.
At first I thought they were mostly Zell Miller/Liebercrats, but now Hillary folk are jumping in more, adn it gets me wondering as the primaries approach...

I never see critiques of Colombian death squads, for instance. and yet, US support is there for them. Building bases, arming in the name of Drugwar. bi-partisan, too.
Example of the great results there:

Maiming the People
Guerrilla Use of Antipersonnel Landmines and other Indiscriminate Weapons in Colombia
New casualties from antipersonnel landmines in Colombia have skyrocketed in recent years, to such a degree that Colombia now has some of the highest annual reported casualty rates in the world.

The biggest users of antipersonnel landmines in Colombia, as well as other indiscriminate weapons such as gas cylinder bombs, are Colombia’s two largest guerrilla groups: the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC-EP) and the smaller National Liberation Army (ELN).

Guerrillas’ frequent use of antipersonnel landmines, improvised out of cheap, readily available materials, leaves hundreds of civilians maimed, blind, deaf, or dead every year.

http://hrw.org/reports/2007/colombia0707/

Well, that is just hunk dory, huh? At least colombia is not socializing medicine or education or anything. THAT would be BAD!
Better they should spray their people with chemicals like round up.


So what will it be for the future of neocons and neoliberals?
Should we dems go for a kinder, gentler and more competent version of Bush/monroe doctrine?
A regional fascism Lite?
The great taste of blood, only half the casualties, and more filling to our gastanks?

Which candidates are the most likely to lead us down that road?
Is that a road you are willing to follow?

[Bongo Prophet]

1. We should invade them and convert them to WTO colony status?

Nobody wants to jump in in favor of their candidate invading these guys?
Bring democracy to them?

[Bongo Prophet]

2. I guess nobody cares if we invade or not.

Easier to bash and run than to discuss what our Dems should DO about either our good neighbor or our notorious enemy.

Hillary lumps Chavez in with Ahmedinejad and Kim Jong-Il.
So, an enemy.

Barack said he will talk.

Edwards spoke with Danny Glover as a proxy.
RWers ate that up, but I see no followup.

Maybe its all on the downlow?
Anyway, not worthy of discussion.
Jenna is gettin hitched!

[MagickMuffin]

4. Well I for one DO CARE.....!

I think as Democrats we are suppose to care about other nations and particularly nations that are a democracy.

What is it ALL about when "we" as a nation decide that it IS perfectly normal to invade for "our national interest."

All that implies to me is they have something our corporations want so therefore it is in our national interest.

Think about why the Iraqi's don't want to sign the "agreement" that the Bush Regime/Cartel/Cabal and the oil conglomerates have written up for them. In that "agreement" they expect the Iraqi's to sign over 80% of their oil fields to them.

80%......... 80%

Do you think Chavez knows about this policy that the oil barons they set up for Iraq?

Do you think he is concerned about what our policy is for his country somewhere down the road, as "we" become more desperate for the sweet sweet gooey oil?

Do you think he is concerned about "us" invading his country for "our" national interest?

I think there is great concern for what will happen in the very near future as we become more desperate. I for one just wish our leaders would show true leadership and start talking and implementing better sources of alternative fuels that we could be growing right here at home.

When are they going to stand against the draconian laws that prohibit the growing of hemp.

Hemp could be the best thing to help our economy with soooooooo many benefits from paper production, housing products, fuels, food, clothing, paints, the list is endless.

Hopefully someone should be campaigning about this plant. Before it's to late to change the current course of events.

[MagickMuffin]

3. Hey Bongo Prophet

here's ya a :kick: and rec.

Will respond when I have more time, on the clock right now:evilgrin:

[IndianaGreen]

5. For invading Venezuela: all the GOP candidates, plus Hillary, Biden, Dodd, perhaps Obama and Edwards

I hope that Obama and Edwards are receptive to the aspirations of the workers and peasants in Latin America, but as long as they support neoliberal policies and globalism, they will support the elites in order to protect American hegemony in the Hemisphere.

They all serve Wall Street to one degree or another, and they all see the threat posed by having the large brown masses in Latin America empower themselves and take control over their natural resources.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. You forgot .......

.... "Bolivarian Revolution" in your riff.

.... just sayin'

[1932]

8. There are Bolivarian Circles in the US, by the way. I believe they talk a lot like

DU'ers used to talk.

[CK_John]

7. Not to worry, Chavez will do that all by himself. The Peter principal is on the fast track. n/t

[1932]

9. Fast track? He's been president for 8 years, and his party has won more votes in every election

since '98?

The only thing on the fast track is the MSM drive to undermine his (earned) credibility before the difference between the US and Venezuelan economy starts to make Americans think that the solution to our problems is to nationalize a key industry, provide health care to everyone, help the poor, and give everyone an education.

[Hippo_Tron]

12. I think that's certainly a possibility but it's important that Venezuela determine its own destiny

If Chavez's government turns out to be a complete and utter failure, they need to be responsible for getting rid of him.

[killbotfactory]

10. See who supports Plan Columbia

There should be some legislative trail you can find.

[Hippo_Tron]

11. I think an oil embargo from Chavez is about the last thing that we want

And that's what we'll get if we aid the overthrow of Chavez and fail. If the CIA had been behind the 2002 coup, Chavez would be dead. I'm sure the CIA and the Bush Administration didn't mind the attempt but the political ramifications of $4 a gallon gas aren't worth getting their hands dirty over this.

That's just my opinion, anyway. I'm sure that others will disagree.

[killbotfactory]

13. I'm pretty sure the CIA was involved in 2002

I'm not sure how involved, but they were.

The CIA aren't perfect, just look how many failed attempt they've made on Castro's life. Castro, ironically, also helped Chavez when the coup happened by breaking the media blackout and alerting people to the fact that Chavez did not resign, but was in fact kidnapped under threat of force.

[Hippo_Tron]

14. The attempts on Castro haven't even gotten close to where they got with Chavez

Chavez was under arrest at one point and, IMO, if they could get that far the CIA could have taken him out.