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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:05 PM
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DAN RATHER'S EXPLOSIVE AND AMAZING EXPOSE OF THE VOTING MACHINE CORPS.!
Edited on Fri Aug-17-07 08:08 PM by Peace Patriot
Sometimes I'm a slow study. When I read the first posts here at DU about Dan Rather's astonishing expose of the election theft industry (going back to 2000!)--I didn't quite get it. The summaries/comments were incomplete and somewhat off-focus, and I thought that it was just an attack on touchscreens (the paperless machines)--that is, the corporate and political establishment fallback position on the grave assault on our democracy that all current electronic voting systems represent: 'touchscreens bad; optiscans good.' (I thought it was just anti-touchscreen--I was wrong.)

I didn't have time, at that moment (the early reviews) to watch the actual Dan Rather report.

Now I have.

This is the most important journalistic effort in our lifetime, and perhaps in the history of our country. This is what journalism SHOULD BE. This is an AMAZING report, that exposes the profound corruption, secrecy, lies, deception, ass-covering, shoddy manufacturing, cheap, flawed components, and utter contempt for American voters that corporate privatization has inflicted on our election system, and that has nearly destroyed our democracy.

ES&S voting machines are manufactured in Manila in sweatshop conditions. Sweatshop for the workers (pittance wages), and literal sweatshop for the electronic machines: heat so bad that workers couldn't concentrate; no air conditioning.

Nice, huh? U.S. election theft machines ($3,000 a piece!) manufactured in SWEATSHOPS, to (s)elect Bushites who oppose labor rights!

But that's only the beginning.

After exposing the scandal of ES&S manufacturing of touchscreen voting machines--thousand of warped screens, due to inferior components and the heat (so that you don't know how your vote is registering), and ES&S's efforts to keep this out of the press--Rather points out that the supposed better alternative--the optiscans--ALSO have serious problems, including calibration problems (a half an inch off and you could be voting for the wrong candidate and not know it).

After the disaster in FL-13 in 2006 (ES&S touchscreens 'disappearing' 18,000 votes for Congress in Democratic areas, in an election 'won' by the Republican (natch!) by only 350 or so votes), the new Republican governor banned touchscreens and is converting the state to optiscans. (Touchscreens are paperless--no recount is possible; optiscans have a paper ballot, but the machines still contain "trade secret" code, as do the central tabulators, and the paper ballot is only as good as the recount/audit laws, which are worse than lousy in all states.)

Dan Rather points out that the Philippines itself has banned optiscans (after one troubled election with them). But guess what? (--Rather continues)--the optiscans ($$$$) that Florida will purchase to replace the touchscreens ($$$$) will be manufactured by the same private firm that screwed the state (and the country) with touchscreens--ES&S--and will continue to be manufactured in sweatshops in the Philippines, for the United States' election 'market.'

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This is just ONE example of the rot and corruption that corporations have wrought within our election system, in a very short amount of time (--basically, 2002 to 2004, and it is no accident that this wholesale corruption of the voting system parallels the Iraq War; the Congressional bills for fast-tracking e-voting and fast-tracking the invasion of Iraq were passed in the same month, October 2002).

Rather doesn't get into Diebold. That's a better known story. And he doesn't really have to. It's the same with all three major election theft corporations--secrecy, lies, corruption. And I'm glad he focused on ES&S (not yet a household word), and opened a whole new area of investigation--the outsourcing of our election system.

He then goes back in time to the 2000 election, and exposes something that none of us knew--equally as explosive as the ES&S revelations. Before I summarize it, let me just do a thumbnail on these three major election theft industry players, on their POLITICAL connections:

DIEBOLD: Until recently, headed by Wally O'Dell, a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser (a Bush "Pioneer," right up there with Ken Lay), who promised in writing to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush-Cheney in 2004";

ES&S: A spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture), initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things). Diebold and ES&S have an incestuous relationship; until recently, they were run by two brothers, Bob and Tod Urosevich. (Note: Diebold Election Systems, DES--in much disrepute, with profits falling--just isolated the elections division, probably to insulate Diebold from lawsuits, and changed its name to Premier Election Systems, PES.)

These are the people who "counted" 80% of the nation's votes in 2004, under a veil of corporate secrecy.

SEQUOIA: The third major election theft industry player, which ALSO has Republican connections. Sequoia hired Republican Bill Jones, former Calif Secretary of State, and his chief aide, Alfie Charles, who SET UP e-voting in California, as salesmen to peddle Sequoia voting machines--in an egregious example of the highly corrupt practice of "revolving door" employment.

Dan Rather focuses on Sequoia's role in the "hanging chad" fiasco in Florida in 2000.

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It turns out that Sequoia knowingly provided inferior paper for the infamous punchcard ballots that--according to whistleblower workers, interviewed on screen, and named--caused the predictable, preventable problem of the "hanging chads" in the Florida 2000 recount. One workers says he thinks Sequoia did it to pave the way for conversion of our election system to the much more lucrative electronic voting machine 'market.' Others hint that the election was fixed, and that's how they did it--with inferior paper.

So, not only was the Florida vote counting fiasco used by the Bushites to create chaos and bump the matter up to a manipulable Supreme Court, but their buds at Sequoia caused the whole problem of the difficulty in counting!

Interesting--nobody has ever thought to ask WHY Florida had such trouble with "hanging chads"--at least not that I ever noticed. I certainly didn't think of it. Punchcards were used all over the country. No one had ever had this problem on such a scale before. I just assumed it was Freeptards in their typical bully brownshirt mode making something of nothing. Well, they did that, too. But the problem that gave them that opportunity, a) was unusual, and b) was deliberate.

It's the paper, stupid! Bad, inferior, stretch-distorted paper that caused misalignment and incomplete punches of the holes by which the votes are counted.

One worker (a woman) says they had always been proud of the high quality of punchcard ballots they turned out. The workers considered it an important product and were aware that this batch going to the Florida Democratic precincts was inferior. Another worker says, when the recount developed problems, they were told to immediately remove all evidence from the warehouses. Anything with Sequoia's or Boise Cascade's name on it was immediately and deliberately destroyed.

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Conclusion:

Dan Rather: "What's more important to you--knowing that your vote was counted as you cast it, or the profits of voting machine manufacturers?"

He says that the manufacturers of voting machines are hiding behind a wall of trade secrets. Their message is "Trust us."

He asks, do the "trade secrets" in our election system machines have no more importance than the formulas for Coca Cola or MacDonald's BBQ sauce?

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What I presumed was a whitewash (touchscreens bad, optiscans good) is not. I was wrong. I presumed too much from the bits and pieces posted at DU, before I viewed the report.

Further, it is a VERY hard-hitting report. It questions the corporate PRIVATIZATION of our election system. No other news report has done this. If they report on it at all, they report about "problems" and "concerns" and "testing"--never the BIG PROBLEM: corporate secrecy. It's the thing I'm always yelling about. What do you EXPECT when you have corporations 'counting' all our votes with 'TRADE SECRET' code?

Well, you can pretty much expect a shit-for-brains traitor president, unjust war, boffo war profiteering, multiple tax cuts for the rich, big no-bid military and "homeland security" contracts, pervasive domestic spying, a rubber stamp Congress--"D" or "R," it doesn't seem to matter--and the U.S.A. degraded into a "banana republic," where your job is to shut up and work for shit wages, buy poisonous products manufactured in other slave-labor countries, and offer up your children as cannon fodder for corporate resource wars.

That's what PRIVATE, SECRET, CORPORATE vote 'counting' MEANS. That's what it was FOR. Dan Rather doesn't say it (--although he comes close)--but I'm saying it. And I am astounded to see these facts exposed by such a major journalist. Maybe it's Dan Rather's revenge for the 'swift-boating' HE got. He can just speak the truth now, no holds barred. His report calls into question the ENTIRE corporate-run election system--from the "hanging chads" to the "trade secret" electronics. He calls the legitimacy of the 2000 election into question (WHY did Florida get the bad punchcard ballots? was it just a big snafu? was it deliberate?). And he calls into question every election SINCE THEN--all conducted on inferior, unreliable machines, containing "trade secret" code.

I'm impressed. I'm amazed. I'm RELIEVED that these facts are finally getting "out there," and that the American people are being alerted and warned AT LAST.

I urge you to view this investigative report, and spread it far and wide. It's available at as downloadable video at

http://www.hd.net/drr227.html

and (in three parts--half way down the page) at: http://www.bradblog.com/

COMPLETE TRANSCRIPTS HERE: http://election-reform.org/dan_rather.html

EMAIL to write to Dan Rather and the producers: Viewer@HD.net

(www.HD.net/DanRather)

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Caveat: I've described this report from hearing it, and taking quick notes. I haven't reviewed the transcripts yet. I believe I've faithfully described what it says, but there could be mistakes. Apologies to all, if there are. But I was so excited by this report, I wanted to re-focus DU's attention on it right away.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:09 PM
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1. Is this a current day expose or something Rather did a few years ago but
is only now get on the internets??

EIther way I'm fascinated - but would like clarification

BTW Rather's early "decision" to retire was because of his sponsoring Mary Mapes and her work on the George W "gone awol" story.

The network had to get rid of those two - and it wasimportant to get rid of Mapes by early October becaue her planned story for mid-October was the story of the elction machinery. (Remember this all was taking place just fix to six weeks before the Presidentialelection of 2004)
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:48 PM
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10. It's new, just on HDTV a few days ago...
Even I learned new info from this (I HAVE been at DU for 4 years, I thought we knew everything) the interviews with the Sequoia Employees completely blew me away.

Dan Rather may have just bumped Cronkite from that coveted #1 spot in my heart. :)
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:11 PM
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2. The Sweet Revenge of Dan Rather.
Exposing the same bastards for cheating that cost him his career.

Go get 'em, Dan.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:17 PM
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4. my thoughts exactly, he is now free to be the reporter he once was
before he was anchorman for corporate CBS. He loved doing stuff like this back when Walter was the anchor man and he was the man in the field.

Hooray for Dan!

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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:14 PM
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3. "Dan Blabber" is dead to me!
I can't forget his slobbering apology.

Fuck him.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:59 PM
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11. Cut off your nose to spite your face, or watch it for the INFORMATION presented.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:06 AM
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26. Well now,
That certainly gets the "stupid" award for the weekend.

:kick:
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dickbearton Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 06:00 PM
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41. Phrogman go fuck yourself.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 07:16 AM
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46. Ah Sometimes
You are forced to do thing you don't want to. Perhaps Rather regretted not getting more confirming information before going public with the story or perhaps he feared lawsuit. Why are so willing to confict and hang people who are just acting human?
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:25 PM
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5. It's New
HD Net shows this documentaries and IMHO they are all excellent. I couldn't believe the MSM have never picked up on the stories about the voting machines in 2000. He interviewed many people that worked on the paper ballots and I think a fix was in the works.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:27 PM
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6. Excellent post. K & R nt
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:32 PM
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7. I voted in 2000 on a punchcard machine in a heavily Repuke
precinct. I never before thought about a variation in paper quality. I got a whole stack of unused punchcards from the 2000 Election from Hillsborough County, Florida and sent them to my daughter in Wisconsin to have as a keepsake for my grandson, who was a little tyke at the time. I imagine she still has them, if they'd be of any use. I envisioned my grandson using them as part of a report in junior high or high school someday.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:42 PM
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8. KICK & RECOMMENDED......nt
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 08:47 PM
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9. Great Post. Rather is doing himself proud again.
We all have ups and downs and it's very hard, when the MSM is so unabashedly ignorant of what's really happening and so ready to brand anybody who attempts to get at the truth as biased or "liberal." When you work for a MSM network like CBS, there are just a lot of pressures that can make you dance to the music. Rather has a little freedom now. If he'd been given that freedom before and that kind of support, he would have done a better job of indicting the B admin and he just might have made CBS the leading network on the air by now.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 09:30 PM
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12. Great report - one critical flaw to be aware of...
The only "expert" Rather interviews is Mr. Michael I. Shamos, who has testified AGAINST the use of paper in elections -- here is his testimony against voting systems that require voter-verified paper ballots:

I have been a faculty member in the School of Computer Science at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh since 1975. I am also an attorney admitted to practice in Pennsylvania and before the United States Patent and Trademark Office. Since 1980 I have been an examiner of electronic voting systems for various states. I am currently an examiner for Pennsylvania and have personally performed 118 voting system examinations. I will do my 119th next week.

I view electronic voting as primarily an engineering problem that includes designing processes and procedures. Once the requirements for a voting system are agreed upon, it is then a matter of developing and manufacturing equipment and processes that meet those requirements. The question is whether Congress should be setting technical performance guidelines and engineering standards, as H.R. 550 would have it do, or whether such guidelines should be left to NIST and the EAC, as HAVA has already provided.

The proposed bill is based on three major assumptions, all of which are false. First, it assumes that paper records are more secure than electronic ones, a proposition that has repeatedly been shown to be wrong throughout history. Second, it assumes that voting machines without voter-verified paper trails are unauditable because they are claimed to be "paperless," which is also false. They are neither paperless nor unauditable. Third, it assumes that paper trails actually solve the problems exhibited by DRE machines, which is likewise incorrect.


http://cha.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=127&Itemid=41

Shamos is ONE LONELY expert...

Drs. Tadayoshi Kohno, Adam Stubblefield, Aviel D. Rubin, Dan S. Wallach "Analysis of an Electronic Voting System" -- We suggest that the best solutions are voting systems having a "voter-verifiable audit trail," where a computerized voting system might print a paper ballot that can be read and verified by the voter. Here: http://avirubin.com/vote/analysis/index.html

Dr. David Dill is the founder of the Verified Voting Foundation and VerifiedVoting.org and is on the board of those organizations. In 2004, he received the Electronic Frontier Foundation's "Pioneer Award" for "for spearheading and nurturing the popular movement for integrity and transparency in modern elections." The Verified Voting Resolution says: "Computerized voting equipment is inherently subject to programming error, equipment malfunction, and malicious tampering. It is therefore crucial that voting equipment provide a voter-verifiable audit trail, by which we mean a permanent record of each vote that can be checked for accuracy by the voter before the vote is submitted, and is difficult or impossible to alter after it has been checked. Many of the electronic voting machines being purchased do not satisfy this requirement. Voting machines should not be purchased or used unless they provide a voter-verifiable audit trail; when such machines are already in use, they should be replaced or modified to provide a voter-verifiable audit trail. Providing a voter-verifiable audit trail should be one of the essential requirements for certification of new voting systems." Here: http://www.verifiedvotingfoundation.org/article.php?id=5028

Dr. Eugene Spafford, Chair of the U.S. Public Policy Committee for the Association for Computing Machinery wrote to Dr. William Jeffery, Chair of the Technical Guidelines Development Committee of the National Institutes for Standards and Technology in a letter dated 12/1/06: "I commend the TDGC’s security subcommittee for its recommendation that require voting systems to be software independent as a condition for federal certification.... Utilizing software independent systems for voting machines helps to ensure not only that voting systems are more secure, but also that the election results from these systems are more reliable and trustworthy.... Clearly we must continue to make e-voting systems more secure, but given the shortfalls of security testing, it is our long-standing belief that voting systems should also enable each voter to inspect a physical (e.g., paper) record to verify that his or her vote has been accurately cast and to serve as an independent check on the result produced and stored by the system. We are pleased that the subcommittee’s paper clearly articulates this problem and recommends that voting systems must have an independent way of verifying a voter’s intent. Further, that paper records represent the current best practice for creating these audit trails." Here: http://tinyurl.com/32du8u

Dr. Jean Camp, co-authored the summary of "The Voting, Vote Capture, and Vote Counting Symposium" a summary of workshop on design of process, technology and their interaction in voting systems in June, 2004 at the Kennedy School of Government. The summary says: "Paper and electronic systems each have unique and potentially complementary strengths. Electronic systems can provide first counts, suitable ballots, and ease the vast logistics problems of voting. Paper provides auditable counts, ease of use, and voter confidence. Emphasis on accurate vote counting must be balanced with speed - a tally can be quick or rigorous, but not both." Here: http://designforvalues.org/voting/

Dr. Ed Felton, well known for his Security Analysis of the Diebold AccuVote-TS Voting Machine of Princeton says, "A voter-verified paper trail is the most important safeguard that can make e-voting machines more secure."
Here: http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/studies/voting
Here: http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/faq.html
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 10:16 PM
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14. And this one from a Computer Security Expert,
SNIP... It is because of my intimate familiarity with computers and computer security that I am so adamant in my opposition to computerized voting and vote counting. It is certainly not from any "dislike" of computers. I LOVE them and continue to make my living from my knowledge of them.


If we wish to rebuild confidence in our elections and any genuine integrity in our balloting processes, we must recognize that the stakes in our election outcomes are simply too high to introduce any potential for tampering at any point in the process -- any such vulnerability will CERTAINLY be exploited because of the truly enormous temptations that such high stakes represent. It is literally IMPOSSIBLE to provide any kind of integrity in ballot casting and vote counting unless the voter can actually SEE and fully understand for whom his or her ballot has ACTUALLY been cast, and those ballots are counted in the presence of bipartisan witnesses.

This goal can ONLY be achieved by PAPER ballots, manually marked and manually tabulated. NO OTHER SOLUTION IS OR CAN EVER BE ACCEPTABLE if the goal is to provide integrity in our balloting and in the counting of our votes. ANY device inserted between a voter and the tabulation of his or her vote introduces vulnerabilities to the system and diminishes confidence in the integrity of our elections.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_woody_sm_070807_it_is_impossible_to_.htm
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:53 PM
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40. Thanks for the synopsis. Can we call this a conspiracy yet?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 09:42 PM
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13. K*R Excellent. Best summary of Rather yet.
"It turns out that Sequoia knowingly provided inferior paper for the infamous punchcard ballots that--according to whistleblower workers, interviewed on screen, and named--caused the predictable, preventable problem of the "hanging chads" in the Florida 2000 recount. One workers says he thinks Sequoia did it to pave the way for conversion of our election system to the much more lucrative electronic voting machine 'market.' Others hint that the election was fixed, and that's how they did it--with inferior paper."

They left nothing to chance. They read the Blitzkrieg philosophy of war and applied it to Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004. Dan, go to Ohio!

Those who steal elections are shameless and enemies of democracy and the people.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 11:36 PM
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15. Excellent
K&R. Thanks, as always Peace Patriot.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:17 AM
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16. K&R
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:25 AM
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17. Must See TV
The Sequoia workers and the story about the bad paper astounded me. As someone posted above: I thought I knew everything about the 2000 election.

K&R. Great synopsis and thanks for posting the links.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:34 AM
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18. I remember they blamed it on
worn-out rubber stylus, too many punched chads inside the pad, and old people. As if "old people" never voted before in their lives.

Who knew that we'd have to think like a criminal or a paranoiac to outsmart them?

Live and learn.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:17 PM
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31. At that time
we were all so naive.

I'm really proud of my RINO governor and his swift decision to move to Op-Scan, but I'd still like HCPB. Oh well, at least now there's a piece of paper.

Although I didn't agree with most of what Shamos said about DREs, I completely agree that this is an engineering problem and it needs to be addressed as such. If we can't get HCPB, we need a secure system which works properly every time.

Here's to Dan: :toast:
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:22 AM
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48. Hey Pats.
Where can one see this if one doesn't have HDTV?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:24 AM
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49. Nevermind... I saw the link posted later.
:hi:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:38 AM
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19. Dan was crucified as the ultimate example of the liberal media.
They made an example of him, hoping to crush this "liberal" media, once and for all.

But here he is, and he's still looking for what really happened.

Thanks for being with us, and giving us the opportunity to keep being with you, Dan Rather.

:patriot:





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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:21 AM
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20. K & R n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:37 AM
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21. I'd like to have a direct link to Rather email.
I might send him some info that I stumbled on a few years ago. There's more to be discovered, for the digging.
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trayted Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 06:59 AM
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22. Dan Rather skirts around the issue that privatizing the vote is the problem
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 07:01 AM by trayted
Rather instead focuses too much on functionality of the machines, like, "oh, if you just fix the machines, everything will be fine." That's the conclusion that many watching this will come to.

The problem is privatizing the vote.
The problem is secrecy and source codes.

The problem with the 18,000 votes not being counted is the fact that voters turned out that day was to vote in that race, because it was the most important race in that district.

It's not about unreliability. It's about privatization.

Rather skirts around the issue of privatization.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 07:24 AM
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23. Dan's the Man!
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 07:26 AM
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24. ES&S - Chuckie Hagel's company. The one that counted the votes that
gave him a win in his very first election. The one he denied having any connection to.

Election Systems and Software (402) 861-6708
12012 Cary Cir
la Vista, NE 68128-5572

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Election Systems & Software
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11208 John Galt Blvd
Omaha, NE 68137-2364

Election Systems & Software
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Omaha, NE 68137-1211

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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 08:39 AM
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25. Its good Rather is giving focus to the voting machines, but ....
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 08:48 AM by flashl
When looking at elections we also need to factor in the reality that, out of 435 Congressional districts in the U.S., only 39, or 9%, are actually competitive. Under our political system, the vast majority of Congressional seats are gerrymandered as "safe". What I see is an effort to ensure that the presidential election works the same way.

In addition, at one time, it was reported during the 2000 election that entire voting precincts ballots were missing in Duval County. Gerrymandered districts is an area that's gone wrong in our election process that needs attention.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:19 AM
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27. I didn't get to see Rather's program on this....
Did DirecTV carry it? My PBS station didn't show it here in N.C., as far as I could tell. I surfed all the channels that I subscribe to and couldn't find it.

It needs to be on all the networks until everyone in the country gets to see it. They need to repeat this program over & over. They need to preempt a Law & Order episode or something.

:kick::kick::kick: & Rec.
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:24 AM
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30. A Link to HD TV Site
You should be able to download a transcript and read it or watch it, if you wish. Sometimes one of the Dan Rather Reports will show up on Discovery Times but it's aired on HDTV.Net.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:23 PM
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32. Thanks! n/t
:kick:
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Irishonly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:25 PM
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34. Sorry
My brain isn't working this morning. I just realized I forgot the link

http://www.hd.net/danrather.html
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:52 AM
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28. K&R. (nt)
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:59 AM
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29. Dan Rather Has Always Been AND Always Will Be An Investigative
JOURNALIST! I have always respected him for trying to get the truth out. He's up there with Bill Moyers to me!

JMHO!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:28 PM
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35. Dan is the ONLY real investigative reporter left in journalism today!
CBS lost a HUGH ASSET when they threw him away!

I sent him an email telling his just that, and thanking him for his Reports, AND for posting them online for those of us who can't afford HDTV yet.

I could cry every time I realize this gem of a reporter doesn't have a young prodigy to take his place!
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 01:14 PM
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36. I just finished watching that program. Al Gore MUST run for
President in 2008.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:18 PM
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37. Thanks For Posting
I'm watching now - boy do I miss Dan Rather
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:22 PM
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38. Thank you for this post Peace Patriot. When was this aired?
n/t
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:46 PM
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39. Thanks for the overview.
Little bits of this tragedy are beginning to drift down here to Australia so maybe there is hope for change as the word gets out and Americans get pissed off enough.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 07:27 PM
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42. THANKS for raising awarness of this!

Especially the Sequoia ballot issue. I'm glad that someone stepped up and put the effort into this summary, as opposed to what some of us (including myself) simply kicking and recommending the initial reports.

:thumbsup:
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:11 PM
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43. VIDEO IS AGAIN AVAILABLE RIGHT HERE

The Google version went down. Luckily, we got a copy before it did.

We've posted it now, separated into three parts for easier viewing of each:

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=4960

And yes, the third part, re: Sequoia and their gaming of the paper ballots in 2000 is un-FRICKIN-believable!

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:03 AM
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44. morning kick
Who would have known that the paper could be a problem with the Florida election in 2000.

Thank you for your summary, Excellent!
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 03:14 AM
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45. Thank you for this.
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 04:06 AM by SeattleGirl
I don't get HD.net yet, so it's nice to be able to access this report.

Edited to add (after watching the report): Holy shit! I never even thought about the QUALITY of the paper used for the punch card ballots in 2000!!!!

:wow:

No wonder the ballots were so fucked up in 2000 in Florida!


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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:08 AM
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47. and the corp media's follow up to this story -- 'crickets'
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:44 AM
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50. Holy Crap. Thanks for this excellent post, Peace Patriot.
I haven't seen the report yet - will try to watch it later.

And as others have said, that bit about the paper stock is un-freakin'-believable! :wow:
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