Jon Stewart: Time to End the "Traitor" Talk

[Vyan]

The other night on The Daily Show, our next to last, best American Journalist - Jon Stewart - directly confronted Cheney Biographer Stephen Haynes on the tendency of the Administration and it's supporters to cast aspersions on the patriotism of those who are critical of the War in Iraq.

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To the loud groans in the audience, Hayes denied that any such accusations of unpatriotism have been made. Unfortunately, he's very wrong.

Just as a quick refresher we've had the following types of statement made by Bush Officials and his supporters.

• Ann Coulter : Barack Obama's Lead in the Polls is "Good for Al-Qeada"
• Townhall : Liberals hate fellow Americans more than terrorists.
• Fox News: Let's find the Happy Insurgents now that Democrats have taken over Congress.
• Bill Kristol : Obama's anti-war stance shows that he would have been pro-slavery.
• Right-Wing Radio Pundit Buzz Patterson : "Democrat politicians, big media, academia, popular culture, and nongovernmental organizations" of forming "a Fifth Column" that is "facilitating defeat against Islamo-fascism" and that Most Liberals are Traitors.
• Radio Host Mike Gallagher on Fox News: the U.S. government should "round up" actor Matt Damon, "The View" host Joy Behar, and MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann and "put them in a detention camp until this war is over because they’re a bunch of traitors."
• Fox News Host : Wall Street Won’t Let A ‘Puny Little Traitor (who leaked the NSA Story)...Take Down Our Market’
• Bill O'Reilly on Cindy Sheehan : I think Mrs. Sheehan bears some responsibility for this and also for the responsibility for the other American families who lost sons and daughters in Iraq who feel this kind of behavior borders on treasonous.
• Tom Delay : Pelosi and Reid are getting "very, very close to treason" by opposing the Iraq war.
• Donald Rumsfeld : War Critics are like Hitler Appeasers
• Neil Cavuto : "Did Americans who took Hugo Chavez’s oil today commit treason?"
• Melanie Morgan : New York Times editor Bill Keller is guilty of treason and that "Keller and his associates" should be thrown "in prison for 20 years.
• Michael Reagan : Howard Dean should be arrested and hung for treason."
• Coulter : It is simply a fact that Democrats like Murtha are encouraging the Iraqi insurgents when they say the war is going badly and it’s time to bring the troops home... They fill the airwaves with treason...These people are not only traitors, they are gutless traitors.
• Dennis Hastert : liberals want to take "the 130 most treacherous people, probably in the world...and release them out in the public eventually."
• CNN host Chuck Roberts: Ned Lamont is the Al Qeada Candidate.
• Cal Thomas : The Taliban wing of the Democratic Party cannot countenance any "heretics" who do not toe their line.
• South Carolina GOP chairman Katon Dawson : "Which one of the Democrat contenders are going to take Harry Reid to task about giving aid and comfort to the enemies by claiming the global war on terror is lost?"
• Dean Esmay on New York Times reporters: "Exposing such a secret program is not whistle-blowing -- http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1134887547.shtml">it is high treason. When I say 'treason' I don't mean it in an insulting or hyperbolic way. I mean in a literal way: we need to find these 21st century Julius Rosenbergs, these modern day reincarnations of Alger Hiss, put them on trial before a jury of their peers, with defense counsel. When they are found guilty, we should then hang them by the neck until the are dead, dead, dead."
• Michael Savage : former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright "should be tried for treason, and when she is found guilty, she should be hung."
• Coulter on the Hamdan Decision : ou just expect Democrats to side with Al Qaeda." Coulter also stated that she couldn't "imagine that this country could have won World War II if this is the way one of the parties was behaving."
• Rush Limbaugh : "Did (Joe) Wilson lie about Niger? Did Wilson commit treason?"

So it's not like all this treason talk is a pattern of behavior or anything.

Stewarts comments to Stephen had been prompted by this Video from 1994 where Dick Cheney explains why it would have been wrong to "Go to Baghdad" to take Saddam out of power.

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In 1994, Dick Cheney felt that it was the correct assessment that "Saddam wasn't worth another American life." Hayes argued in Cheney's defense that everything changed after 9-11" - but according to the documents from the Project for the New American Century publish in 1998 which urged President Clinton to invade Iraq and depose Saddam - that simply isn't true.

We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, and to enunciate a new strategy that would secure the interests of the U.S. and our friends and allies around the world. That strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor.

(It may be fair to point out that Dick Cheney, who although he was a member PNAC at the time, did not sign this letter to Pres. Clinton and subsequent video from 2000 seem to indicate that his 1994 opinion had not yet changed)

Nevertheless - Hayes soldiered on.

STEWART: I think that they've gone -- they, they've seemingly gone out of their way to belittle people. You know, he's actually literally come out and said, "If you don't elect us, we might get hit again." That to me, I -- I can't jibe the portrait you paint of the steadfast leader with the fear-mongering, not-bright guy that I've seen.

HAYES: Yeah, but I mean, no, really -- I mean isn't it that case that, I mean, that's essentially what this debate has been about, the political debate has been about since 2001?

STEAWART: No. They keep saying we don't understand the nature of this war. And critics keep saying, we understand the nature of it. You've been doing it wrong.

HAYES: Right, so why is that -- what's the, what's the quality of difference there?

STEWART: Well, no the, the difference there is, we're not calling them traitors.

HAYES: I don't -- yeah, but I don't think that the administration has called anyone a traitor. When has it happened? I mean, I'm serious. When has that happened? When has that happened?

STEWART: Let me say this. I -- I think that there's a real feeling in this country that your patriotism has been questioned by, by people in, in very high-level positions. Not fringe people. You know, I myself had some idiot from Fox playing the tape of me after September 11th -- very upset. And them calling me a phony --

HAYES: Right.

STEWART: -- because, apparently, my grief didn't mean acquiescence.

At a certain point these false accusations of treason and appeasement have to be called out for the bullcrap that they are. Those who are simply pointing out the truth that Saddam was not a threat, that he wasn't in league with Al Qeada, that he did not have stockpiles or active programs for WMD's, that the insurgency could have been forseen, that the surge isn't working - do not deserve to be belittled and ignored.

Time and time again they are been right, while Bush has been wrong.

Vyan

Most Examples (Courtesy Dkos)

• George Bush : "However they put it, the Democrat approach in Iraq comes down to this: The terrorists win and America loses."
• Dick Cheney : "It’s absolutely essential that eight weeks from today, on November 2nd, we make the right choice, because if we make the wrong choice then the danger is that we’ll get hit again,"
• George Bush : "I asked Congress to give me the flexibility necessary to be able to deal with the true threats of the 21st century by being able to move the right people to the right place at the right time so we can better assure America we're doing everything possible. The House responded, but the Senate is more interested in special interests in Washington and not interested in the security of the American people."
• John Ashcroft : "To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty; my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists - for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends."
• Karl Rove : "Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Conservatives, he said, "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

[opihimoimoi]

1. The Pubs got their collective heads so far up their asses...its outta sight...

What the hell are they smoking/drinking/sniffing???

[yowzayowzayowza]

4. Power. n/t

[dickbearton]

34. Cheney and Bush calling others traitors...

When they are the traitors helps shine the light on
themselves.

[Mojambo]

2. Nice job. n/t

[Norrin Radd]

3. k+r

[Bolo Boffin]

5. I wish I could recommend this post twice.

I'll be content to keep it kicked.

[mogster]

6. Amazing list

Don't forget mr. Bykofsky, dreaming of a new terror attack to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.

[Hatalles]

7. kr

[Perry Logan]

8. I call it "traitoritis." It's another mental disease of the Right.

[BeliQueen]

9. Fantastic Post

It captures the essence of that video and I only regret that I can recommend this post only once.

[The Wizard]

10. I was called

a traitor because I questioned the wisdom of attacking Iraq in response to 911. I have permanent injuries from the Vietnam fiasco. The fools and former friends who disparaged me never spent a minute under fire. They didn't realize it at the time, but they created an enemy, and got me involved in political activism.
I've gone as far as offering a fist fight with Republicans. They always back down. maybe some day I'll get a beating, but I will not tolerate the traitor label. Some lines are not meant to be crossed.

[Rebellious Republican]

13. I was in Beirut in "83", I have been called a traitor for not supporting

the war. I have been to anti war protests and political rallies for various Dem candidates, I have been approached by freepers getting in my face. I usually pin my ribbon rack and aircrew wings to my poster. My response is usually, "what have done for your country, I was willing to pay the ultimate price for my beliefs. One of which is the right to free speech!" While pointing at my ribbons that they had not noticed. They usually start slithering away after that.

[sce56]

25. Great Idea! You might also want to carry a couple of copies of DD Form 4

And tell them to put their signature on the line to support the war that makes them backpedal even quicker.

[The Count]

56. Amazing post! Thanks so much for this!

Bookmarked.

[rasputin1952]

40. As a Veteran, I empathize w/you. I am here in NE, and while

there have been many that have said bush is "doing the right thing", most of those that say such things have never served this nation a day in their lives. I work w/a guy who thinks this war is "absolutely necessary, otherwise, they'd, (terrorists), would invade this country in a heartbeat". Ummm...right...:eyes:

I have offered to take this individual to the recruiter, but he does not want to go, after all, "I have a good life here" is his mantra.

I was once called a "traitor" at a Town Hall meeting w/my former representative in the House, Bereuter-R, (now it's Fortenberry-R). The next time he came around, I was prepared. The same civilian that had called me a "traitor" was in the audience, as I knew he would be, he'd been to every one I had been to previously. This time, I hung my old uniform over the back of the chair next to me, w/DD-214 on the seat. Said RW-nut was livid, but others in the audience were showing respect.
One of them, before the meeting got under way, turned to my semi-nemesis, and asked, "Hey Frank, you gonna open your mouth again?", to which there was quite a bit of laughter. After the meeting, I found out that Frank was to be drafted in '68, but he got out of it by saying he had to take care of the Family Farm, because his mother and father were "not there". He got his deferment, and proceeded to do most of his work in the local taverns. His mom and dad were in Europe on an extended vacation, (the farm/cattle ranch had made quite a bit of cash and they decided to use some of it). Frank left the meeting immediately following Bereuter's remarks, he did not want to be there for the question/answer part that day...:)

For the record, I can understand people not willing to serve, I don't like cowards or war profiteers, but I can comprehend the motives. What I cannot accept, and never will, is the high talking by people who refuse to serve. The cowardice is one thing, but when others die and get wounded while candy assed bastards spend one molecule of air talking and not acting, I get incredibly angry. They can stay out if they wish, that is their right, but damn sure don't ask others to put their lives, limbs or families on the line and then show no responsibility to stand up for what you say you believe in.

One of the reasons I despise Limbaugh, Coulter, Savage, O'Reilly, Hannity, et al, is the incredible hypocrisy they've shown over their "careers" in instances pertaining to the military. Most of the people I served with covered up small medical/physical items just to get in and do their part...seems like the RW is rife w/those that have extrapolated similar ailments and begged to get out of serving, and once they didn't have to serve, they became uber-patriots w/a supposed "vast knowledge" of the military. I consider them dog crap on the soles of those willing to serve, to be scraped off in the gutter.

[here_is_to_hope]

11. This is the one thing that sends

me over the edge...being called these names like "traitor"....:mad:

[bluerum]

12. We all know they (bUsh & cHainy inc.) were and are wrong on many levels.

Arguably most evilly wrong in that they lied us into a war for oil. They rallied "the dimwitted patriots" around the flag to point fingers at their friends, relatives and next door neighbors.

They painted the oil wars as a weekend in the desert chasing camel riding sheep herders when they knew it would be the cluster-fuck of the century.

They lied.

They are the treasonous bastards.

They should be impeached.

History should remind our children's children of what they did.

[rucky]

14. This needs to be a campaign speech.

[Faygo Kid]

15. Great stuff. Send it to Jon (and to Frank Rich, too). Time to fight back.

I don't want to get along with any of the people on this list. Leave that to others who feel that way. I want to defeat them. To shame their lies by hammering them with the truth and exposing them for the Bush tools they are. More backbone, Dems. Just because Rush or Faux may say mean things about you is no reason not to stand up to this filth.

[BeliQueen]

16. Kick

for treeda

[jefferson_dem]

17. Fabulous post.

Thanks!

Obvious k&r! :kick:

[CoffeeCat]

18. Hayes says no one in the "administration...

...called anyone a traitor".

That's their soundbyte. That's how they get away with their perverse marketeering.

This administration sounds the call to their mouthpieces in hate radio---and in full concert
Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, and the rest of them are spewing the very words that the administration
dictates. This administration doesn't HAVE TO say anything. Talk radio, Fox News and all of the
neocon talking heads who make appearances on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC and MSNBC will do their bidding
for them.

These people are nothing but shrill, cowardly, degenerate, misfit bullies who lack souls.

They will destroy this nation and everything our Founding Fathers built---because they get off
on destruction and humiliation of others. This isn't only about them amassing power and money,
it's about them obtaining an intoxicating high off of watching something so beautiful and grand--
something bigger than themselves---die a slow, painful death.

[DAMANgoldberg]

55. Help me understand...

How would the neocon "talking heads" and most of the 30%ters benefit in the way the current administration will? It seems to me that the Cabal doesn't really care for most of the Repub. party or the RW broadcasters, or anyone else that is not in their inner circle.

elkton md

[BrklynLiberal]

19. What jefferson_dem said two posts above....

:thumbsup:

[rasputin1952]

20. I find it amazing that these same people who call those using

the First Amendment Right to hold government accountable, are the same ones who wouold be more than happy to just toss the entire Constitution out so that some GOP slug can become king...now THAT is treason.

The RW morans have nothing so they can do nothing but attack at the most base level they can go to, calling Americans "traitors", when they are the ones far closer to selling the nation out.

I used to think that returning anger for anger was the answer, I now believe that just laughing at these people is the best answer. Logic does not work, truth is something they cannot come near to, fear is all they have. When a group laughs at them, publicly, they fall to pieces. Their power is in how they convey fear and I have yet to see someone susceptible to fear while they are laughing. Laughter is contagious, laughter feels good...and most importantly, it dispels the whole notion that these people should be taken seriously....:D

[Tsiyu]

28. I like your strategy

"Laughter is contagious, laughter feels good...and most importantly, it dispels the whole notion that these people should be taken seriously"

Come to think of it, it does feel more wholesome and healthy giggling to Letterman's 'Great Moments in Presidential Speeches' than it does calling out copious amounts of Swearese and throwing inanimate objects at the TV during one of *'s actual speeches.

[ArbustoBuster]

21. I bet it's psychological projection.

Bush deliberately lied about Saddam Hussein and pulled troops from the search for Bin Laden to send them into Iraq. This allowed Bin Laden and his followers to continue to plot against America. If this isn't giving aid and comfort to our enemies, I don't know what is, and that is treason under the definition in our Constitution. Bush and his people are traitors, and the only way that his supporters can deal with that is to call everyone else traitors, too.

[Blutodog]

22. ITS 2007 folks!

The Repukes are still winning the debate no matter what they call us. Its 2007 and the debate is still about an event that happened in 2001! As long as they can keep the public and the media focused on that event THEY WIN! When are we going to move on to what are the REAL treats to our health and safety on this planet and stop whining over an event that happened in 2001. Never, if the fascists Repukes and their enablers in the media have their way. Oh and on that note, why is Jon Stewart who I greatly admire hosting a total asshole like Hayes? Why give guys like this any air time? All your doing Jon is legitimizing their lies and worse their ideas. Hasn't this whole crowd already shit all over us for 7 yrs? Enough!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

24. There are two "wars" being fought because of that date.

Talking about it is actually a loser for the pugs. :shrug:

[TankLV]

30. Complete and utter BULLSHIT and REPUKE SPEW...

Stop spewing REPUKE talking points...

We can and do MULTITASKING - we can actively persure many things at the same time - unlike your repuke friends...

It is MOST IMPORTANT to "revisit" the events of 2001 - it is VITAL to our DEMOCRACY!

NO investigation was ever conducted...
The issues were NEVER "settled"...

The lies that led us to NOW were important THEN and BECAUSE everything proceeds from THEN - we MUST keep it up 24/7/365 UNTIL THE TRUTHY IS FINALLY HEARD!

STOP SPEWING REPUKE TALKING POINOTS!

[bjobotts]

46. I don't care what they call me I've seen what they have done.

So now, if they quit calling us names or questioning our patriotism we are just supposed to give them a pass? These are liars who are guilty of mass murder of almost a million innocent Iraqis who "forced" nearly 3700 of our soldiers to die for their war profiteering, who are policing a civil war and threatening war with Iran. These are criminals operating under the guise of patriotism and should be held accountable. We should never accept them allowing dissenting opinions as criteria to prevent us having them arrested for their criminal acts.

We are traitors...in the same way a gang member is a traitor to his mafia boss for refusing to carry out a "hit" or turns him in for murder. These war supporters were duped in the beginning but now...the only way to not know the truth about our invasion and occupation is to not want to know. We should not let this Administration and it's supporters avoid accountability for the war crimes they have committed. And with the newly released video of Cheney saying exactly what would happen if we invaded Iraq in 1994 we now have evidence of prior knowledge of what a crime this invasion would be.

[Colorado Progressive]

23. k&r nt

[Mz Pip]

26. Bookmarked

and :kick:

This is an awesome list of quotes. Will forward it to everyone I know. Thanks!

Mz Pip
:dem:

[ThoughtCriminal]

27. Guilty

I consider PNAC Neo-Cons to be traitors.

[trayted]

29. I disagree with Jon Stewart

It's time to call out the real traitors, like all of the people in the Bush administration who have violated their oaths of office from the time they took them.

They are the traitors.

[bleever]

31. I had to watch this video twice to appreciate how well Jon Stewart

articulated this, and how blithely Hayes passed all this off as a normal "policy debate".

It was especially powerful for me after watching the video of Stewart's first monologue after 9/11.

"...calling me a phony because, apparently, my grief didn't mean acquiescence."

Brilliantly done, and this post most excellently documents and reinforces his points.

:thumbsup:

[cleveramerican]

32. I'm struck by how well its worked for them.

its the smoothest sales pitch ever, only recently is it becoming clear how badly we've been had.

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[whistle]

35. The book sounds like 400 pages of white-wash of Dick Cheney

...I won't even bother checking it out of the library

[The Wizard]

45. It should be in the library

alongside Mein Kampf.

[BeliQueen]

36. And here's the frustrating thing...

The media is focusing on the unaired water fight between Colbert and Branson instead of this remarkable exchange between Stewart and Hayes.

What is wrong with this nation's journalists?

:banghead:

[Joanne98]

37. Excellent job Vyan!

[Lisa]

38. excellent compilation! Thanks very much! (n/t)

[Hamlette]

39. I hate to say it but the "traitor talk" should continue...against them.

the right has abandoned everything this country stands for starting with counting all the votes right on through separation of church and state, habus corpus, torture, "respect for the opinions of mankind" compelling us to listen to other countries, this is a "Christian" nation, giving tax dollars to churches, wiretapping American citizens, rendition, etc.

This country is a LIBERAL democracy founded on the principles of the ENLIGHTENMENT. The right has spend 15 years trying to rewrite history.

Talk about the American Taliban.

[Emerald]

41. Patriots love their country

but that doesn't mean they must love what the country (or government) does. The magnificence of this form of government is that if we dislike the direction our government is taking us, we can change it. Those who would question the patriotism of citizens who would work to change the direction are the true traitors.

What is even more despicable is that the leaders didn't just screw up-they intentionally deceived and bulldozed us, in order to get this war for oil. Our leaders are not incompetent (though there is evidence that many are) so much as they are evil. And they call their detractors traitors!?!?

History will show that Americans took too long to wake up to this deceit and evil. We must ensure it does not repeat itself!

[Cabcere]

51. Well put, Emerald.

And a belated welcome to DU! :hi: It's good to have you here. :)

[Maestro]

42. Well documented and true!

Thanks for posting. :kick:

[kwyjibo]

43. that was a great interview!

I love Jon Stewart. I was so happy that I watched the DS that night!

[krispos42]

44. 96th rec. Hey, Freepers...

Understanding why the terrorists hit us is not DEFENDING why the terrorists hit us.

Admiting that we have given terrorists cause to hate us is not DEFENDING the attacks that that hate generates.

And understand and admitting does not mean you don't strike at those that harm or seek to harm us.

There is a difference between being peaceful and being pacifist. Peaceful means violence is a last resort, pacifist means that violence is never resorted to. People and nations that forget that do so at their own peril.

And if you're going to be a warhawk and support hawkish military involvement around the world, you'd better be competent going about it.

[bjobotts]

47. Excellent post. My only problem with Stewart is what he did not say.

They were talking about "Cheney", the book and the man. Granted Jon brought up the Cheney '94 video where Cheney stated all the reasons not to go into Iraq but Stewart never asked why , knowing this and in spite of 9/11, Cheney did it anyway. What does it mean to have been the CEO of haliburton who made billions off of this "war"? Does it seem obvious that Cheney discounted all of the reasons why we shouldn't invade in favor of the profit to be made.

It'd be a fiasco, a quagmire, a disaster in blood and treasure and Cheney's response would be, " Yeah, but look at the fortune we'd make". What other reason could there be since he stated what a disaster this invasion/occupation would be and then goes ahead and does it anyway, even manipulating the intelligence with daily trips to the CIA headquarters to make sure he could sell it to the American people. Remember, this is not something we had to do or that was necessary in any way but Cheny enthusiastically pushed for it knowing ahead of time what the results would likely be. Everyone stood to profit but the Iraqis and the American people.

I was hoping Jon would bring up the reasons Cheney did it anyway and connect it to Haliburton and war profiteering since the author of this book ignores that issue also. But what the hell, there was just too little time I guess to cover as much damage Cheney has created.
A better title and book would be, "Cheney: the monster the right can't see"., or "Cheney: the Prince of Darkness" or the book I'd like to see above all others, "Cheney: From Inside These Prison Walls"

[underpants]

48. WE WERE RIGHT!

for crying out loud!

Great post. Bookmarked. A real keeper.

[politicaholic]

49. Very good post! n/t

[orleans]

50. 105th recommendation. (obviously i'm a little late to the party) n/t

[Blue Fire]

52. This gang of cronies is becoming more desperate and dangerous.

The dumya/Darth Cheney gang of cronies that is, unfortunately if not illegitimately, our current executive administration, and their bushbot neocon mouthpieces, are very aware of the failures they continue to embrace and the growing opposition by more and more Americans. Yet for some inexplicable reason (lust for power perhaps, or the desire to continue moving the nation's wealth from the bottom up to the military-industrial complex), they seem to think that by calling those who see through their malfeasance and gross ineptitude 'traitors' will somehow reign in enough of the people and keep that same accusation from falling on their heads. I don't think it's working, and that is fueling their attempt to fear-monger the most easily misled Americans into hating those who speak with reason and call for accountability from this corrupt and treasonous White House mafia.
What I find more frustrating then being called something neither I nor any member of this forum are, is that impeachment proceedings by the Dem controlled congress appears nonexistent.

[gratefultobelib]

53. Awesome post. Thank you!

[calimary]

54. GREAT thread! One of the BEST! A real keeper!

I was called a Neville Chamberlain because I spoke out against the war. I've had my car keyed and my tires slashed because my bumper stickers (Dean for America, bush Knew, and War is Not the Answer) offended some knuckledragger's "delicate sensibilities."

Kicked, Recommended, and BOOKMARKED.

I wanna be able to find this again - GREAT thread. Thanks, Vyan!!!

:yourock:

[trevjr]

57. What I don't get

What I don't get is why are Stewart and in his way Colbert, the only ones that take on the lies head to head. This is a weekend where Rove has been all over the TV and rarely confronted on his lies.
Why does it take comedians to show the truth?
I would like to know also why it took so long for the MSM to show Cheney's lies in video?
I know there was a case where Cheney said 'I never said that' and then the video of him saying, I think, that Sadam was connected to AlQueda. I only saw this on Comedy Central. Why?? (Maybe it was on Countdown now that I think about it)
Where are the real reporters these days? Even 'disgraced' Dan Rather is doing hard hitting investigative journalism on voting machines.
These people think they can get away with lying because the media rarely confronts them on it. Too scared of not getting into the WH spin room or too scared of not getting called on.
The media is just has bad as the cowering Dems, if you cannot do your job because you are afraid, you should resign.
I would like to see the resignations of the cowardly Dems and the cowardly media.
Give someone with balls a chance.