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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:01 PM
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Memo from Obama HQ-will start to limit debate appearances
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CJHT

As we head into the fall, the campaign is entering a new more engaged phase that will give voters an even greater sense of Barack's message of change and require the campaign to make decisions that balance the important role of debates and maximize time to run the kind of campaign we need to.

We have just been thru a period of three debates/forums in six days and the outlook for the future holds more of the same. And, because of likely calendar movement, once we get past Labor Day the Iowa caucuses are less than 120 days away.

So far, Barack has attended seven Democratic debates and nineteen candidate forums. There are five remaining sanctioned DNC debates, which we are committed to attend and two Iowa debates normally held in January, which are being held in December, which we are also committed to attend. We will also be attending the Univision debate in Florida on September 9. This means that by the end of this year, Obama will have participated in a total of 15 Democratic debates.

The debates have been important moments for our campaign, demonstrating clearly that Barack Obama is the candidate who will bring about the greatest change to our broken politics. Looking at the first sanctioned DNC debate in South Carolina, Obama was scored the clear winner by undecided voters in South Carolina and New Hampshire.

Unfortunately, we simply cannot run the kind of campaign we want and need to, engaging with voters in the early states and February 5 states, if our schedule is dictated by dozens of forums and debates. Ultimately, the one group left out of the current schedule is the voters and they are the ones who ask the toughest questions and most deserve to have those questions answered face to face.

Therefore, after this week, we will only be attending the five DNC debates through the sanctioning period of December 10, Univision, and the two Iowa debates previously mentioned. Candidate forums - where candidates appear sequentially will be considered, but we are unlikely to accept many of these. Instead, Barack will spend his time answering questions directly from voters in places like Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Nevada, and elsewhere. We simply cannot continue to hopscotch from forum to forum and run a campaign true to the bottom up movement for change that propelled Barack into this race.


After the sanctioning period, there will undoubtedly be a large number of debates scheduled in the early states and in February 5 states. We will make decisions on those as we get closer, but will clearly be doing a healthy number of debates after the sanctioning period.

Many friends and terrific organizations are sponsoring or planning to sponsor debates and forums. So this is not an easy decision for us to execute. But it simply won't work to navigate this one by one. We felt we needed to make our approach clear and consistent.

I think this approach will be better for the voters and the campaign.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:04 PM
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1. So Obama will talk to Castro but is afraid of Hillary
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 02:06 PM by David Dunham
Obama says he will talk to despots like Castro and the president of Iran but he is unwilling to debate Hillary except in his chosen forums. That says a lot about both Obama and Hillary.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:07 PM
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2. It says more about you than it does about either Obama or Hillary...
that you would parrot such bogus talking points here on DU.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:08 PM
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3. Obama must realize he is no match for Hillary head to head
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:08 PM
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4. Exactly! This is an acknowledgment that Obama is not ready for prime time
He knows he hasn't fared well in these debates and forums; that he hasn't done his homework.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:11 PM
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7. This gives Edwards a chance. Now it will be Hillary v. Edwards
These forums will be seen by many as Hillary v. Edwards. Edwards will gain by going head to head with Hillary and Obama will hurt by not particiapting.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:33 PM
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18. Which I see as a good thing!
Edwards '08 :applause:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:15 PM
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11. Apparently, you prefer our nominee be selected based on their efficiency at sound-bitesque quips
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 02:17 PM by jefferson_dem
...bumper-stickerisms and canned zingers.

How quaint, "journalist"...
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:20 PM
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15. No, I prefer my candidate to be well versed on the issues, and to have done their homework
Which is exactly why I am supporting Sen. Clinton.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:26 PM
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28. She is not well verse. She is on every side of the issue depending on who she is talking to.
I will vote against her every chance I get. I want someone in the office who actually cares about the people. I do not want another person in the office just for political gain.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:51 PM
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34. Sen. Clinton is very well versed on the issues.
Anyone who sees her in action, whether in the Senate Armed Services Committee, on the floor of the Senate, in one of the presidential debates, etc...can see that.

She doesn't care about the people? Tell that to the first Gulf War vets who she advocated for. Or the workers at Ground Zero. Or the women and children all around the world.

Give me a break... The anti-Clinton folks here on DU sound just like those on FR.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:35 PM
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19. Not I
I prefer our nominee to be selected based on their stance on the issues. Don't get me wrong -- I would be honored to vote for Obama if he is the chosen one, but he isn't my first pick.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:44 PM
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23. I think we're on the same page, Yael.
We just read it a bit differently.

Cheers! :toast:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 03:12 PM
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27. Right back atcha!
:hi: :hi:
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:29 PM
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16.  Don't pick on Obama in Hillary's name, please.
Let us be good to each other. We are all dems.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 03:06 PM
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25. Apparently so. He declines in the polls after each debate
Instead of studying harder he has opted to quit.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 03:06 PM
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26. Damning isn't it? nt
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:33 PM
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30. Sounds very GOP-ish
Sort of like O'Reilly saying that if you can't come on FAUX News, then you can't stand up to the terrorists. I guess when your candidate supporters tout the endorsements of Charles Krauthaumer and his ilk, there is nothing you won't do to disparage Obama.

Maybe Hillary will decide to avoid talking to Iran's President and just nuke his country instead. (See, I can be just as outrageous and insulting as you, DD)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 07:19 PM
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32. Maybe his priorities are different than yours, or Clinton's? I don't have
an agenda for anyone, just posting what others might find interesting.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:20 AM
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35. This asswipe comment by a Clinton fan brought to you by...


Caricatures By Uncle Wally. Bite your lip and ask her to sip.





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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 01:02 AM
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37. "a source close to the campaign"
Interesting. You got that out there before Ana Marie Cox got it on her blog.

"A source close to the Clinton campaign fired a zinger off quickly: "So he'll meet with dictators but not the black caucus or seniors in Iowa?"


http://time-blog.com/swampland/
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:11 PM
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5. while I don't necessarily agree
completely with Post #1, I can easily see where people who are undecided about Obama may suspect, after not having done as well in the debates as perhaps his Campaign anticipated, that he is, in fact, running away. That may not be the case at all, but I don't know that you can fault fair-minded people from at least considering that option.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:11 PM
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6. I think this is an excellent plan. There are only so many hours in a
day and miles you can travel without eventually becoming inefficient, for want of a better word. The current schedule is grueling and cannot be expected to be maintained up to the fall of '08. None of the candidates should be expected to maintain a schedule like that. I'm also of the opinion that too much "face time" this early in the campaign would create a disinterest. Good for him. I did not in any way see where he was avoiding Hillary and off to see Fidel. What's that about?
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:13 PM
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10. Obama's absence from these forums will boost Edwards' chances
Obama forgets that the press and sponsoring organizations will not look kindly on his absence. All the attention will now be on Hillary v. Edwards.
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ElizabethDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:12 PM
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8. There do seem to be too many debates, but
I think Obama could really use the practice. Whoever wins the primary is going to have to debate the Republican candidate in the general, and I really think Obama needs to step up his game when it comes to debating. Not that he's horrible or anything, it's just not one of his strong points.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:12 PM
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9. Dear Hillarybots:
The campaign of Obama's chief rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York, has also been frustrated by the time-consuming, low-impact debates, but declined to comment publicly on the announcement. Democratic sources say that there have been long-running informal talks about the course of the debates between the Clinton and Obama camps, sometimes also including representatives of former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, the other leading contender for the nomination. But these sources say that no unified position on the invitations emerged, and Obama's campaign decided to move unilaterally.


http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1654141,00.html
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:16 PM
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12. Hillary and Edwards will now make a point to attend forums when Obama skips out
Bye, bye Barack
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:19 PM
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14. I guess her focus group hadn't yet adjourned. You know...
the one that would direct her as to what her position is and how to *sell* the idea of fewer debates.
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trayted Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:16 PM
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13. Darn, I just posted a Time article on this. Apparently, yours posted while I was working on mine.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:30 PM
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17. What the Obama press release should say is..
the candidate is tired of having to talk in 60 second soundbytes only to have the MSM declare Hillary the winner. They would say she won even if she sat on the floor and picked her nose.

That's why I stopped watching the debates.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:43 PM
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22. That would be it
Kerry won going straight to the people. That's how it's done. The Obama people seem to know how to run a great ground game, I'm glad they're taking this step.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:37 PM
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20. He's still going to do at least 8 more debates
It's not like he's giving them up completely.

I dunno, I understand what he's saying. :shrug:
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:41 PM
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21. This is a good move. Hopefully the other top candidates will follow suit
The debate schedule is out of control and is taking away from the candidates' ability to actually meet the voters.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 02:53 PM
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24. hmmm... Obama is taking the advice of an op-ed from Real Clear Politics
If anything, Obama fares worse in these debates. His advantage is that he's different and new, with all the excitement that comes with those attributes. But the more he appears on a stage with seven very conventional politicians, the more he appears as conventional as they are. In every debate, he loses a bit more charisma.

What's more, an odd dynamic has crept into the Democratic debates. The old hands of Washington -- Joe Biden and Chris Dodd -- have apparently taken offense at the temerity of Obama's assuming that he can be president without putting in as many years in Washington as they have. So, they've begun to ally themselves with familiar-face Hillary in the debates, as they did recently in an exchange over Obama's comments about whether he'd meet with rogue foreign leaders during his first year in office.

It may be that this entire furor over early debates will have little effect on a public that, by and large, isn't watching them right now. But they do affect the press a lot. Obama and Edwards would be well served to drop out of the debates now and take their case to the people. Otherwise, come January, they may find that the things that once made them distinctive no longer exist.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/08/the_debates_are_killing_edward.html
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:31 PM
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29. I don't see the problem
It's not as if Obama is refusing to debate. I think 9 debates in the next couple of months is just fine. Anyways, the debates are a waste of time for me. Until they actually can have a real debate, and something that doesn't amount to a forum, it doesn't have much impact. I'd love to see Obama debate Hillary one-on-one.

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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 05:33 PM
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31. Obama-haters will use anything as an excuse to hate; they fear him.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:25 AM
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36. I wanted to see Obama at the Orlando Shriners Mini-car Debate!
He'll be in 15 debates instead of 115.



Gee, Wally, I wanted that melting ice guy to ask another question...

:crazy:







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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 01:07 AM
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38. Bad move! Gives Biden, Edwards a
chance to be critical of his most recent statements that have come under heavy fire. Clinton team already responded, "So he'll meet with dictators but not the black caucus or seniors in Iowa?"
Instead of Obama going around the country trying to insist that he is "black enough" to pacify Jesse Jackson, he needs to bring forth his plans in these forums, debates or whatever you wish to call them. Maybe Obama is getting a little antsy and not so cock sure of hisself these days....
I do thank you
Ben David
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 01:53 AM
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40. hmmm... Your cut & paste 'Obama's blackness' comments
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 01:55 AM by ariesgem
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 01:11 AM
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39. I don't have a dog in this race (at the moment). But, surprisingly, I like this move.
Obama is making news, he's generating coverage, and he's distancing himself from the pack - enabling him to really define himself as opposed to being defined by the other candidates.

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