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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 03:50 AM
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Ok, Alex Polier story not accurate
But what about the supposed tape? Is that also some figment of the imagination?
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 03:52 AM
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1. You mean the "TV interview"?
C'mon. Do you really think that she would, knowing she had revealed all already on camera, THEN issue a public denial? That's just silly mate.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 03:52 AM
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2. Sounds more like a lie to me
just my opinion
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 03:54 AM
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3. No reason to suppose it isn't
or if it is real, that it doesn't say something very different from what the tabloid sources have claimed.

This isn't he-said-she-said anymore, if it ever was.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 03:58 AM
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4. There was no more evidence
that such a tape existed than there was that the affair itself occurred.

This is the problem with jumping onto the scandal bandwagon. Every misreported fact that's used to prop it up is accepted as truth. In the end, people are forced to reject a variety of factoids.

This is why a lot of people still believe Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster. They accepted every wrong fact presented as gospel truth. They convinced themselves that there were dozens of pieces of evidence pointing to the conclusion they wanted so badly to reach.

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:31 AM
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34. The average Joe still believes the Press CAN'T lie.
They honestly believe that if it's on the news, it is 100% factual and unsubjective. They aren't willfully ignorant, just too trusting.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 03:58 AM
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5. Ummm... No, it's "not accurate" - it's *a freakin' lie*
There may very well be a tape: probably containing holiday pictures, or a conversation only tangentially referring to Kerry...

Who knows.

Zero evidence so far, and instead plenty of allegation and baseless accusation.

Sounds not quite like Bush's AWOL story, where there's an awful lot of documentation showing that Bush has shirked his duty - and in fact, this "intern" BS looks just too perfect as a cover-up for the Bush AWOL story to not believe that Rove is behind it.

Now what about the abortion, coke abuse, and DUI stories that further illustrate Bush's problematic character and integrity issues?
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 03:59 AM
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6. I think it will come out when it can do the most
damage to the democrats. We've been warned of it's presence. I think it is going to put *bush ahead and be the lead story all summer long.....We are being played big time.

I'm not in denial. I don't have a good feeling here. Why is Kerry's military record being played so much now? It is not an issue for the Primaries... I think it is to get it over with now and make it a dead issue this summer then hit democrats with the sex stuff on Kerry.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:05 AM
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7. How about this theory
Clark has endorsed Kerry only to stand ready in the sidelines, ready to take over from Kerry, re-entering the race in a stunning surprise move that will garner so much media frenzy that the lections will become a shoe-in, handily returning a stunned Bush who didn't see it coming...

Oh wait, no I gave away the battleplan...

Meanwhile, here's a lightweight aluminum helmet to protect you from verbal debris that flies around as a result of the multiple, multi-tonne impacts detonating on Bush's credibility!

:tinfoilhat:
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:15 AM
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10. I find it an insult to perceive my statement as
impacting *bush's credibility. The original post talked about the video.....I shared what I thought the "Big Plan" is.......Stop manipulating the statement.
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:25 AM
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14. Er...
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 04:27 AM by NV1962
How about another possibility: a misunderstanding?

Two examples of "multiple, multi-tonne impacts detonating on Bush's credibility" are the AWOL case (attesting to early indicators of his character and integrity weakness) and his shamelessly manipulating to push and conduct a needless war.

The "intern" affair is what I consider "verbal debris flying around" - aimed at no less than mucking up the electoral waters.

In essence, that is what I consider the Big Plan of Bush's peddlers.

So, I didn't manipulate your statement.

But I did tweak the fabulous BS that is the whole "Kerry intern" circus into a super secret plan to re-launch the General, as a stand-in ready to replace Kerry's demise at the last minute, and give Bush an October surprise.

Call that a twisted sense of humor if you like... But, if you allow me, I do invite you to stop reading ill will or ill intention where there wasn't and isn't.
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eileen_d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:32 AM
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16. You forgot to mention Bill Clinton's penis.
And how Clark is a "stalking horse" for Hillary.

I'm sure Chelsea is involved somehow; what's she up to lately?
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:37 AM
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17. Dang... You're right
Wait - that's in the sooper sekrit battleplan! Clark steps up to the top of the ticket, and then surprises everyone with Hillary as Veep!

Chelsea is slated for Homeland Security (ha - finally revenge!) and Bill, well, we'll think of something.

But his penis definitely looks sharp as Surgeon General!

:D
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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:59 AM
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18. Yeah, that's in the back of my mind too
partly because it was Clark who initially made the statement that Kerry was going to implode from a sex scandal. Wouldn't he have some insider knowledge that goes beyond rumor?
However, it does seem a bit weird that Alex would contradict herself, knowing abc had a tape to show at a later date. Unless, perhaps, if somebody bought the tape back from them.
I have often thought of the possibility that John and Teresa have an open relationship. In which case, it still wouldn't make much sense for him to get mixed up with an intern, not that these things make much sense. Oh, well, at least Kerry seems much less boring these days.. maybe that'll help him.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:03 AM
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20. Clark NEVER MADE THAT STATEMENT
That has been proven to also be a lie in many other threads :mad:
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:05 AM
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22. Show me
where this statement is established as fact: "it was Clark who initially made the statement that Kerry was going to implode from a sex scandal." (my bold)

What is so far established, is that he seems to have made some off the cuff remark about either "an internal" or "an intern" issue. But he did not mingle "sex" in there, and he most certainly wasn't the one who brought the "Kerry intern" rumors into the world either - because it was known before he made the comment.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:09 AM
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24. Clark never made ANY comment
about an imploding intern issue. 2 reporters that were also present during the interview where Clark was said to have made that statement, confirm that Clark never brought up any sex issue, in any way. The Clark "comment" is more Drudge crap!:mad:
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yellowdawgdem Donating Member (972 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:22 AM
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26. I hope you're right
I'd be pleased as punch if all the allegations are a pile of crap, but sometimes it's good to be cautious. Remember who we're dealing with, here. These folks aren't just going to roll over.
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texasmom Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 06:29 AM
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28. Alex made clear Monday that she was never
an intern. Never. She never worked for him at all. That was one of the many fallacies of the story.

Also, where is the proof that Clark "initially made the statement?" You probably want to include the words "allegedly" before that if you keep repeating it as fact.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:10 AM
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8. this is one guy at The Sun
spreading all this shit... Brian Flynn

brian.flynn@the-sun.co.uk

stuff that motherfu**er's mailbox.. He fabricated the tape story and the "sleazeball" comment from Terry Polier. He's a hired hitman for Rupert Murdoch.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:19 AM
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12. As a Kerry supporter, I wouldn't start pissing off Murdoch's people
Media chiefs back Kerry campaign

Owen Gibson
Tuesday February 10, 2004

As John Kerry's campaign to secure the Democrat nomination - and with it a crack at the White House - continues to gather pace, it has emerged that it is being bankrolled by key executives from News Corporation, MTV-owner Viacom and Sony.

<snip>

Unsurprisingly, the donation from News Corp's boardroom came not from chairman Rupert Murdoch, a committed Republican, but from the company's chief operating officer, Peter Chernin.

Mr Chernin, one of Mr Murdoch's most trusted lieutenants, is among several media chiefs who have pledged to raise between $50,000 and $100,000 to support the Vietnam war veteran's campaign for the White House.

Others who have pledged to raise more than $50,000 include the Viacom chief executive, Sumner Redstone, and Sony chairman Howard Stringer, whose name has recently been linked with the vacant chairmanships at ITV and the BBC.

<snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0%2C13918%2C1144797%2C00.html
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:12 AM
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9. I dunno. Drudge says he saw it.
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 04:15 AM by dkf
Would he lie that blatantly?

Also, I've seen in several places that ABC is the network that supposedly has the tape.

That is pretty specific.

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praxiz Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:17 AM
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11. Uh..
Yes
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:06 AM
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23. Would he lie that blatantly?
in a word YES! :eyes:
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 06:37 AM
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30. LOL!! Would drudge lie? You're kidding?
'supposedly has the tape' isn't specific at all.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 06:43 AM
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31. several places is irrelevent
it's not independent reporting, it all references to The Sun on both the tape and the sleazebag remark.. Terry Polier told The New York Daily News his was misquoted by The Sun, though they don't expand on it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/165213p-144675c.html
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:39 AM
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35. "Would he lie that blatantly?" No, that isn't how he does his dirty work.
What he does is set up a rumor that may have a tiny element of truth. The "mainstream" press gets upset that they didn't break it and then falls all over themselves digging to find a a seed that they can make grow.

So ABC claims to have the tape? Consider this: someone, who is close to someone at ABC Saturday morning programming, knows someone who works at a Murdoch rag, who knows someone who feeds Drudge his little "element of truth" rumors.

Get the picture? The tape is right over there with the WMD's and Nicole's killer.
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Kinkistyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:24 AM
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13. Aye. Her "intent" to partake in "confession tape-related programs"
That is evidence enough in itself to throw Kerry off the Dem ticket.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:40 AM
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36. Zactly! You nailed it.
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Piperay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 04:27 AM
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15. I doubt it exists, it's just wishful
thinking on their part and IF there is any tape it has her denying the whole thing.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:04 AM
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21. "wishful thinking" that about sums it up.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:00 AM
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19. I do not believe it happened. I read she wrote a letter but,,,,
Her parents are Republican(who knows what that means) so pushed it. This women seems to have a boy friend but you will never get Republicans to believe that. They love this sex stuff. It is a hang up with them. Bush's pals and his family can steal every cent you have but it is OK with the GOP as long as it is not about sex. Sex is sin and stealing is a way of life.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 05:13 AM
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25. her parents said they are voting for Kerry
And rethugs have lots of sex scandals, but its ok to to have extramarital affairs if u r a rethug:shrug:
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 06:04 AM
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27. Based on the tone of this thread and another longer thread...
Edited on Tue Feb-17-04 06:09 AM by wyldwolf
... I think many at DU are growing weary of conspiracy theories and those that push them - especially those aimed at democrats.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 06:35 AM
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29. Have you seen it?
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 07:46 AM
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32. Just more lies from the republican semen sleuths.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 09:18 AM
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33. Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them - Page 3 Embellishment Phase
I have posted this a few times, but it is such an accurate description of what happened. Alleged tape was part of the "embellishment phase." Rush is now in the whole "liberal bias" Phase.


Franken re Fox News Washington Times, New York Post, Editorial pages of WSJ,Talk Radio:

"The members of the right-wing media . . .employ a tried-and-true methodology. First, they concoct an inflammatory story that serves their political goals. . .They repeat it. . .They embellish it. . .They try to push it into the mainstream media. All too often they suceed. . .Occasionally, they fail. . .But even thier failures serve their agenda, as evidence of liberal bias. Win-win. You got to admit. It's a good racket."
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:19 AM
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37. I have a friend who knows many people in the Kerry campaign
When all of this came out she called them and asked - as a friend - whether there was any truth to the accusations. They said, "If there was some truth here, we would have admitted it long ago. It is foolish for any candidate to try to hide an affair after seeing what happened to Bill. There is nothing to it."

I accept that from the Kerry staffers to a friend as being rather logical and straightforward.

There is nothing to it.

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-04 10:21 AM
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38. If there was a tape, it'd be on Fox by now
Guaranteed.

There's no tape.
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