Just to be clear, how much do the "Anybody but Clintonites" make per year?

[ecstatic]

Or the Anybody But ______ (Insert Dem name)

It must be nice, being comfortable enough to risk another 8 years of Republican rule. Please also mention the number of people in your household, just so we can be clear.

[Colobo]

1. Grad Student/T.A. (I make very little a year)

[ecstatic]

3. I usually agree with you but when you graduate

You will earn much more than the average American, so I guess you don't have much to lose in supporting a 3rd party should Clinton win the nomination.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

46. Corporate America doesn't want educated people.

Unless they have the almighty MBA to chase the dollar with, or a similar degree.

I haven't had a job since 2001. I gave up looking. 12 years of college including a doctorate (law degree), three degrees.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

59. Law Degree and no job?

I am surrounded by attorneys (I'm married to one) They are a different breed of people - that's for sure. But can I ask a sort of personal question? - Why do you think you can not find a job? I am curious. I am a creative person - I ended up in advertising and writing for TV - Before that I lived in my car for a while back in the late '70's - I bartended, waited tables, cleaned houses and trained dogs - and always felt like I would never get it right... I got my college degree when I was 19. I studied behavioral psychology, where I learned how to spell behavior and psychology. Life is one twisted road.

[Bill McBlueState]

49. huh?

Nobody's in a position to say they "will" earn anything. Grad students don't go around assuming they'll be rich someday, and with good reason.

[HeraldSquare212]

65. so you're saying

only uneducated people support HRC?

[durrrty libby]

25. I am so not surprised

[wildhorses]

2. i have been out of work since april

i doubt i clear 15k this year.

i doubt i clear 9k this year.

[LeftyMom]

4. DO you want our social security numbers too?

:eyes:

[durrrty libby]

30. Defensive much? Answer the ? What are you afraid of?

[LeftyMom]

33. Oh, the rest of you finding out about my private island I guess.

:rofl:

I don't know why anybody would even consider sharing financial details with strangers on the internet.

[durrrty libby]

36. How the hell do we make things better if we have no honesty? Sad

[LeftyMom]

40. Why should we share private information with strangers?

I don't like Senator Clinton's stances on the issues. I could not in good conscience vote for her if she got the nomination. My income has nothing to do with my feelings on that, as my problems with her are not economic in their emphasis.

[durrrty libby]

43. Your problems have much to do with our next pres. A woman would help so much

(I'm on call ..must go)

[ecstatic]

5. Silence and crickets

Come on, you're vocal when declaring you won't support Clinton if she's the nominee. Well, I guess you'll enjoy all the tax cuts you'll get while this country goes to sh1t. You have nothing to lose really. Carry on!

[Joe the Revelator]

6. I've been very vocal about my ABC leanings....

I'm 2 years out of college, and myself and my fiancee bring in a bit of 80k a year. I have no idea how this is germain to the conversation.

[ecstatic]

50. Wow.... you ask what my point is? My point is that you make well above the average

American and will benefit from the tax cuts, should another Republican administration take office due to a 3rd party vote by you and other liberals (elitists?). You have absolutely nothing to lose. That is the point. Did you ever take time to think about what other Democrats might go through should another Bush-like Republican take office?

[Joe the Revelator]

67. So because I will not vote for Hillary Clinton, I am an elitist conservative?

Come on man, come down off your ivory tower, put away your pity party supplies and understand what I am saying here. Hillary Clinton is the establishment at its worst. Do you really think she cares about your wallet? Do you really think she is an inspiring figure? To you really think that she will bring about the change that is necessary, and that I think we both want, in Washington?

I do not, and I am not willing to just give her my vote because she has a (D) next to her name. I think its kind of sad that you will, be it Hillary Clinton, John Edwards or Obama that you would shelve your principals for.

[durrrty libby]

7. Excellent poll. I can't answer it though. I love Clinton and I work for a living

Myself and 2 sons at home. One grad student, one under grad, (one in the military, not at home)

I pay for everything Woo Hoo. Tough smart women rock

I do hope many answer this poll, but I doubt they will.

[Joe the Revelator]

9. Why is it a great poll?

What does income have to do with supporting an unelectable candidate?

[rucky]

8. ...

:wtf:

Usually principled-to-a-fault people don't really care about stuff like that.

I'm not an "anybody but" - but I can respect the ones who are.

[zulchzulu]

10. Is someone who supports another candidate eligible to contribute...

My household makes over 100k and are a small family. I'm not an ABC...

Are you simply curious on what people make a year and trying to link it with their lack of "judgement" for supporting Clinton? I'd like to see your logic on this...

[durrrty libby]

37. Small?

[zulchzulu]

57. Well...

I'm tall, but my family is... oh nevermind...

:hi:

[MrSlayer]

11. I'm on a pace to go over 80 this year.

For the first time in 6 years. I'm an ABC in the primary. 4 people including myself.

[AndyTiedye]

12. I'm Anybody-but-Clinton IN THE PRIMARIES

I'll hold my nose and vote for her in the general election if she is the Democratic nominee.

[durrrty libby]

17. finish answering the poll please

[Joe the Revelator]

19. Why don't you answer MY question?

See above.

[durrrty libby]

20. YOUR question is a sub-thread, and not the OP? Duh...

Start your own thread and I will answer




I love my sig:hi:

[Joe the Revelator]

23. Its a question about the OP, and one that is very important to the OP

[Name removed]

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[Joe the Revelator]

27. You insulted me, and I'm the "silly" child? nt

[Name removed]

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[Joe the Revelator]

35. You're either young and dumb or old and crazy...

I'm having trouble figuring it out.

[durrrty libby]

38. Pay attention honey

And now ...too bad for you. Need a drink in the desert?

[Joe the Revelator]

42. It's funny...

when people who aren't all that smart try to talk in riddles.

[durrrty libby]

44. You must laugh at yourself a lot

[JNelson6563]

48. Snide insults aren't helping your cause

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JDKW8TV1L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

[AndyTiedye]

22. Not Sure It Applies To Me, Since I said IN THE PRIMARIES!

being comfortable enough to risk another 8 years of Republican rule.

That is my biggest reason for being ABC in the primaries.
I don't think Hillary Clinton is electable.

I will vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election.

2 in the household, and I make enough to live in California.

[LBJDemocrat]

13. Under 15k

Currently unemployed and looking for work.

[Poll_Blind]

14. Where's the "You're an asshole: It's ABC in the _primaries_, FOOL!" option- or did that not fit? n/t

PB

[illinoisprogressive]

15. If the dems decide to choose badly AGAIN, then they have no one to blame but,

themselves!

[Name removed]

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[mod mom]

16. Um..why do you think rove is giving her a boost in the polls? They want HRC

as the candidate because it's the only chance (outside of blatant election theft) they have..

[Name removed]

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[Joe the Revelator]

24. Just like ignoring questions in order to get your jollies being obtuse

This entire thread screams "insecure".

[snowbear]

29. As are DLC candidates.

pathetically condescending and stupid.

[durrrty libby]

34. Too bad most people don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

But enjoy your blather

[snowbear]

39. Damn you are durrrty Libby!

durrrrrrrty.

[NoFederales]

63. The Nose Knows, eh?

NoFederales

[dionysus]

58. could you come across as more of a bitch?

[mod mom]

31. Um...maybe I feel so strongly that Clinton is the wrong candidate & will be the downfall

of the Democratic Party and it appears that many on this forum feel the same. We've provided our reasons why (free trade, IWR, triangulating, too tied to corporate interests, divisive) over and over, but it just doesn't seem to register to some.

Outspoken? maybe. Insecure-sorry I've never heard that one.

[AZBlue]

28. You might also want to ask

what party affiliation they have!

Very interesting question and even more interesting results...

[TSIAS]

41. 15 to 20k

I'm a college student and also work.

I'm not one of those elite, wealthy people that the media claim are supporting Obama.

[Milo_Bloom]

45. The problem isn't how much someone makes...

Its whether they believe the candidate will ACTUALLY do anything.

I don't believe Edwards, Clinton or Biden would do SQUAT to actually help the poor. They may try to sell it, but when push came to shove, none of them where on the right side of the issues that mattered and I wouldn't trust them for a second to be there if they were actually in power.

[Apollo11]

47. This poll is insulting

The idea that Hillary is the Democrats best hope of winning back the Whitehouse is nuts to begin with.

The idea that Hillary already has the nomination in the bag is an insult to the primaries process and to everyone who participates in it (both the candidates and the voters).

The idea that only people on high incomes would take the risk of supporting progressive candidates (at least - more progressive than Hillary) is so insulting I don't know where to start.

Do you therefore believe that low-income Americans MUST vote for Hillary in the primaries because she is the ONLY HOPE for the Democrats to win back the Whitehouse ??? :eyes:

There is a lot of polling evidence to suggest that Hillary Clinton would face an uphill struggle to win the general election. Around 50% of Americans say that they have a negative perception of her, and that they would be very unlikely to vote for her.

At the same time there is evidence to suggest that other potential nominees (like Gore, Clark, Edwards, Obama) might have a better chance of winning more States in the general election.

I read somewhere that the Clinton camp admits that Hillary cannot expect to win much more than the States that voted for Kerry in 04 - plus Ohio.

I think we should nominate a candidate who will bring the greatest number of "red states" into play. I say we should go fight the GOP in the red states so we they can't come and fight us in the blue states.

[ecstatic]

52. A poll here showed a large % of DUers would not vote for her if she got the nom

THAT is who this poll addresses. Right now I support Obama, but should HRC get the nom, I will vote for her because any Democrat is better than a Republican.

[Bill McBlueState]

51. why do you have to "explain" if you make less than $15K?

[ecstatic]

53. Well it was telling. Those who claimed under 15k are students

Which means they will soon be making well above the average American once they get their degrees.

I got the information I needed from this poll. The "ABC if she got the nom" Dems are out of touch with the average Democrat. They would put the poorer among us at risk for another 8 years of Republican rule.

[Totally Committed]

54. I am not truly an "anybody-but-Clintonite"...

Although I am most dead-set against her, I won't vote for any DLC candidate. Not ever again.

But, I was one of the "under 15K"-ers, but I am currently retired, not a student. I would rather live on the street than vote for one more DLC-er. Just my opinion, but there it is.

Tell you what... nominate her or any DLC candidate... and no matter who wins the election, close your eyes and you'll swear it's a Republican anyway.

We need to stop doing this to ourselves. We need MAJOR Campaign Finance Reform or the only "viable" candidates will be the Corporate Darlings/DLC-ers who get all those big corporate $$$$. This is the way the system runs now, so you can support it or you can buck it. I plan to buck it.

TC

[Bill McBlueState]

55. That's a hell of an assumption

Where do you get the idea that students will be making "well above" the average American? Maybe higher education used to be different, but these days, attending a college is no guarantee that one will graduate, and a degree is no guarantee of a good job.

Besides, when college students often graduate with more than $10,000 in loans, they're hardly part of the economic elite you seem to think they are.

[Bill McBlueState]

56. a question of methodology

It seems like it would be easy for Clinton supporters to participate in this poll. They could falsely claim to have a certain annual income, and the effect of their votes would be to create a false picture of the incomes of "Anybody but Clintonites." If that happened, your poll would be useless.

How can you be sure that this isn't the case?

[Patiod]

60. I'm confused

I will work for whoever gets nominated (as I did for Mr. Clinton, as I did for Mr. Kerry), but at this point, I want to see Anybody But Clinton get nominated.

So why does that make me a supporter of 8 more years of Republicans? This argument doesn't make any sense.

[Totally Committed]

62. If you're not WITH the Clintonistas, you are not a real Democrat....

you're unpatriotic... you will be responsible for everything bad that happens for the next millenium. Didn't you get the memo?

You WILL vote for Hillary. It's useless to fight against them. You WILL be assimilated.

TC

[Patiod]

66. Ah! I thought so. They've finally found out that I'm a troll

Because I want someone other than Hillary Clinton for President, I'm not a real Democrat. Probably not a real feminist either.

[Hard_Work]

61. 70-80k

Wife and one child. However, I don't think anyone here is far enough in the anyone but _____ dem camp to vote repug. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

[hedgehog]

64. This poll illustrates the fallacy of some polls.

My husband and I make enough to hit your top limit, but we're also taking out or paying off student loans for five children to go to the state university. (# 6 is still in high school). We live modestly and are driving a ten year old used car (the 18year old van bit the dust last week). Our second car is a 1976 Chevette (no kidding!). We're hardly the rich folk your survey imagines!

I'm not against Hillary in the Primaries. I'm for Obama because I think he might correct the student loan problem and he might get the economy going so my kids all get jobs!