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AJ9000 Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:37 AM
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Is Rove shrewdly attacking Hillary in an attempt to weaken John Edwards?
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 01:53 AM by AJ9000
That is the suggestion of the post linked below. It may seem far-fetched at first glance, but I do believe Edwards is the guy the right-wing would least like to face in 08 because a lot of independents, and disgruntled former Republican types would vote for him, but not Hillary or Obama.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/22/is-john-edwards-karl-roves-worst-nightmare/

snip:

"Rove is using his sneaky, underhanded tactics to try and trick Democrats into rallying around a candidate who won't be as strong as John in the general election,"
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:46 AM
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1. Heh. "jest" of this post indeed. nt
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:46 AM
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2. Rove wants like hell for Dems to rally behind HILLARY CLINTON

There is no way in hell they want to run against Edwards or Obama!!

From MSNBC's "First Read":

Categories: Democrats, 2008

So is Karl Rove using reverse psychology on Democrats regarding Clinton v. Obama? The Los Angeles Times' Wallsten lays out the case that Rove may be attacking Clinton as a way to get Democrats to rally around her because secretly the GOP fears Obama.

Wallsten notes that the Bush campaign -- in 2004 -- did a similar thing. "With his Southern base, charismatic style and populist message, Edwards, they believed, could be a real threat to Bush's reelection.

But instead of attacking Edwards, Rove's team opened fire at Kerry. Their thinking went like this, Dowd explained: Democrats, in a knee-jerk reaction to GOP attacks, would rally around Kerry, whom Rove considered a comparatively weak opponent, and make him the party's nominee. Thus Bush would be spared from confronting Edwards, the candidate Republican strategists actually feared most." http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/08/20/323658.aspx



"Don't you fucking dare elect Edwards or Obama, it's Hillary for YOU!"
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:47 AM
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3. I don't buy it.
And even if they were, Rove has proven himself an inept idiot. I could care less what he is trying to do.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:51 AM
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4. You are a Hillaryite, correct?

Maybe I have the wrong guy...

If you are a Hillary supporter ------------ of course you're not going to believe it!!

If you're leaning Edwards or Obama, what Rove did last time makes PERFECT SENSE.

There's no way in hell Republicans want to face candidates with high likeability ratings -- Both Edwards and Obama can draw both Democratic as well as Independent voters.

Clinton? .. No.



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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:54 AM
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5. LOL. I haven't heard that term before, and no.
I'm getting sick of all the games and accusations hard-core supporters of all the candidates are making around here. It's getting ridiculous.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:57 AM
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6. I just asked you on another thread who you support...

Glad though to hear it's not HRC! ~~~~

If you did.... I'd worry about what Rove is up to, but since you are not (nor are far less Democrats than the MSM is letting on about are!)

...We'll all be fine.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:02 AM
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7. I haven't decided yet. I keep changing my mind from one week to the next.
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 02:04 AM by calteacherguy
I see positives and negatives in all the top three. I'd like to support Obama, but he still has a bit more to prove in the coming months.

It's possible I'll support Clinton if I decide she's the only one who has the displine and experience necessary to take on the Republican machine.

Edwards has just lost me for a variety of reasons, policy and otherwise. So I guess it will be either Clinton or Obama for me.
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:13 AM
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8. Well Cal..

At least there's no rush!

Go with Obama... Go with Obama.... Go with Obama!

~~~

Seriously though.. as you can see by my sig line.. I'm a Clarkie-Obamie-Edwardsie-and if all fails.. a Richardsonie..

But Oh yeah --- I do think Rove and the Righties want HRC in something feirce.. They know how much easier that makes their life!

If she doesn't get the Democratic nod, they are going to be SHOCKED --- Pissed. amd SHOCKED! LOL!

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:18 AM
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9. I think Rove is attacking Hillary to get the heat off him.
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calteacherguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:19 AM
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10. Oh, I'm a Clarkie too from way back. He would certainly get my vote if he was running. nt
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snowbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:32 AM
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13. Me and you both Teach....

Oh man!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwlTWEHHMU8
General Clark at Yearly KOS
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:34 AM
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14. I'd like to know what policies, issues, etc. turned you off to Edwards?
Going out on a limb, was it Logo?
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:24 AM
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11. In a word, YES.
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 02:28 AM by countmyvote4real
The GOP fear Edward's policies because he is a white male from the south and can be elected as well as being determined to enact them. He does represent real change.

At this point, it's a delicate balance for them should they go after a promising black man or a woman. If the woman happens to be married to their great satan, all bets are off. It's pure distraction designed to undermine the Edwards campaign and boost the candidate they are most sure to defeat. Not because she is a woman, but because she is a Clinton.

They are already working on the Obama detractions based on experiense. If he is the Dem nominee it will ultimately resort to Swift Boat attacks based on his race. It's already begun.

I like them all, but the only one that I would have to hold my nose and vote for is HRC. That's because of the dynasty issues we've faced with * and Bill's affairs with Bush Sr. Not good for serious change.

I believe Edwards offers the most promise for serious change because he has been a part of the insider beltway system and opted out. He knows how it works and offers a better vision for the country at large.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:29 AM
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12. What attack??
I keep hearing about Hillary being attacked and I have no idea what they're talking about.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:43 AM
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15. Much ado about noting. It was a drudge report disemble about Ms. Obama's remarks.
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 02:48 AM by countmyvote4real
Pure subtext from those that manufacture these attacks.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/21/did-michelle-obama-take-a-swipe-at-clinton/

You'll have to shop around this site on your own:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 02:48 AM
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16. That was an attack on Obama, I'm still confused
How does that get construed to an attack on Hillary?
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:13 AM
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17. Duh. I can't process RW rational. I can only post it.
Good for you that you can't process it with rational thought either.

Seig Hiel. (That last remark was supposded to be an ironic joke on our 4th Estate.)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:20 AM
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18. But Karl - why do you play wiz zeir headz...
becuz I can... bwahahahahahahaha

:eyes:

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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:23 AM
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19. Oh, please.
Too lame.

Rove is a dork. In the movie "The Thirteenth Warrior", at a critical battle moment, Antonio Banderas says "It's just a man." Rover is just a man.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:53 AM
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20. whatever Rove says, you can be sure that it is the opposite
So it makes perfect sense to me, especially with that piece with Dowd admitting that they did the same thing in 2004 against Kerry because they feared Edwards.
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