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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:57 PM
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"Hey Democrats ! Throw the Bums Out !"
From John Edwards for President:


If anyone had any doubt what this election is about, they won't after hearing what John Edwards said this morning:

"It is caution versus courage. Old versus new. Calculation versus principle. It is the establishment elites versus the American people. "Instead of serving the people and the nation, too many play the parlor game of Washington—trading favors and campaign money, influencing votes and compromising legislation. It's a game that never ends, but every American knows—it's time to end the game."

Join our call to take our democracy back and fix the broken system in Washington—sign our petition today, and send a powerful message to the Democratic Party.


SIGN THE PETITION:
NO MORE WASHINGTON LOBBYIST MONEY
Enough is Enough

We want real change in America—universal health care, a halt to global warming and an end to the war in Iraq

http://johnedwards.com/action/sign-petitions/lobbyists
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:01 PM
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1. Its John Edwards candidate vs John Edwards Senator
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:36 PM
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3. I like them both :) n/t
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:21 PM
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9. Me Too! But I Sincerely Believe That Edwards Has Matured A Great
deal more since he was a Senator. He's much more self-assured and comfortable with himself and he's not afraid to go out and fight for what he believes in.

He has changed and I like what I see! My support for him is VERY VERY solid! He's not without warts, but NOBODY is!!! I have many friends who support him very strongly too!

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:54 PM
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14. Touche :)
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:04 PM
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2. It's desperation time for Edwards. If he is not able to get something out of this
he's done.
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mantis Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:39 PM
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4. hey
You know, your guy isn't really bringing down the house either...in my opinion.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:09 PM
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5. This is true....
I don't think Obama "gets" Jon Stewart, he just wasn't into that interview :(
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:12 PM
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6. So has he given back the $13,500 he has received from lobbyists?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:19 PM
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7. Linky ? n/t
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:20 PM
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8. Here ya go...
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=K02

It should automatically do it, but if it doesn't, select contributions from "Lobbyists"

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:25 PM
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11. WOW! Look At Hillary GO!! OMG! I Wonder Just How HIGH It
will be this time next year! I wonder which ONE gave it to him?? Maybe he's dumped already, who knows, anyone??
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:28 PM
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12. So it isn't about the actual issue... it is only HOW MUCH.
Why did Edwards wait so long to raise this issue to this status? Is it only because he has been unable to raise significant money in this area?

He OBVIOUSLY has no issue actually taking money from lobbyists, and only made it an issue, once it became clear he is lagging way behind.

If he had real principles, the # from lobbyists would = 0... but it doesn't.

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:53 PM
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13. Yeah, The Guy Is A Real Loser... You Don't Like Him, I Do...
I'm NOT going to argue with you because it will just go on and on and on. Sorry for commenting about Hillary... she's not my choice and I probably should have just shut-up anyway! I make mistakes too!

I did tell myself that I wasn't going to trash our candidates, I broke my rule. Won't happen again.

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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:58 PM
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17. Just argue the substance...
Why is it okay for Edwards to take money from Lobbyists, but not okay for others?

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:28 PM
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20. Business = 0 on the link you gave me
:shrug:

Methinks you're nitpicking Milo, so stop "peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining".

Either you're for lobby money or not ?
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:34 PM
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21. $13,500 from Lobbyists is "nitpicking?"
Lobbyists Money: $13,500 (he has claimed he returned lobyist money, but in actuallity only returned $3400)
Commerical Banks: John Edwards (D) $127,200
Securities/ Investment: John Edwards (D) $660,450


http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=K02

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 08:07 PM
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23. You're making no sense whatsoever :( n/t
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:57 PM
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15. Any money given by lobbyists is refunded.
He can't prevent them from donating, but he can refund the money.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:58 PM
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16. Linky? (n/t)
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:06 PM
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19. Wait I found it, looks even worse for Edwards...
He returned a total of $3400 from Lobbyisists.

Unfortunately, he has accepted over 13,500 from them.

Wonder where the other 10,100 went to?

Or is he going to claim he coulnd't find it? Open Secrets sure did.

What a joke Edwards has turned out to be.
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citizen53 Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:23 PM
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10. The haters will come out squawking...
but I thought the speech was great, and shame on any liberal who complains about the message that Edwards is communicating.
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:03 PM
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18. Great message, bad messenger.
How can you claim everyone else not accept lobyists money when you accepted money from Lobbyists in 2008 and 2004?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:40 PM
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22. Very true citizen ! I was going to welcome you to DU but....
...you've been here a year longer than I have :hi:
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