Clinton tops poll in Iowa for first time

[oberliner]

Sen. Hillary Clinton has climbed to the top of the Democratic lineup in Iowa in a NewsMax/Zogby poll for the first time.

Former Sen. John Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential nominee, has been on top in most Iowa polls of Democrats this year.

But the poll made public Tuesday shows Clinton is supported by 30 percent of Iowa Democrats likely to attend their precinct caucuses next January. Edwards receives 23 percent support, and Sen. Barack Obama received 19 percent support in the telephone poll taken last weekend by NewsMax/Zogby, a national opinion research company.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who had just 1 percent support in January, is now firmly in fourth place with 10 percent, the new poll shows.

Sen. Joe Biden follows with 3 percent. Sen. Christopher Dodd, Rep. Dennis Kucinich and former Sen. Mike Gravel each get 1 percent. Thirteen percent of those polled remain undecided.


http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070822/NEWS09/708220387/1056/NEWS09

[jsamuel]

1. huh? about half of them have shown Clinton up

half, Edwards up

It is completely dependent on the sampling method.

[oberliner]

2. First time in a Zogby poll

From the article:

Clinton has led in two polls in Iowa. She has benefited from an aggressive campaign push in the state since May and has campaigned alone and with her husband, the former president. Tuesday's poll is the first time she has led in a Zogby poll.

[jsamuel]

4. Oh, ok, but that is different.

One other question. Were all the other polls done jointly with NewsMax as well?

[oberliner]

6. Here's more info from the Zogby page

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1350

On that page they list 4 Iowa polls with Edwards leading the previous three (from Jan, March, and May) and Hillary leading in this one.

It is unclear what role Newsmax had in the past polls or has in this one. The methodology for this most recent poll is described here: http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.dbm?ID=1208

[jsamuel]

9. ok, so they "may" have changed their methodology in this poll.

I would like to find out, because that would certainly put this poll in a little more context.

[durrrty libby]

3. And Obama's downward spiral continues

[jefferson_dem]

8. So say you and NewsMax.

Swell company for the both of you...

[durrrty libby]

13. So say the American people. Woot Woot

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[still_one]

5. So it will probably be between Clinton and Guliani. What a sad choice indeed

Yes, I will vote for HRC or whoever our nominee is, but since our leading candidates have already indicated that our presence in Iraq would be required for some time now, there is less wiggle room to distinguish us on Iraq

That leaves us with healthcare and the supreme court

I can live with that, but am still unhappy about the position on the illegal war

[oberliner]

7. Zogby has Romney substantially ahead in Iowa

Romney 33, Guiliani 14, Thompson 12, Huckabee 8, Mccain 6

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1351

[cobalt1999]

10. Edwards has to win Iowa

He can't let Hillary or Obama win that one or he is toast. Expect him to start pulling out all the stops soon and really go on the offensive. He has no choice.

[Broke Dad]

11. Actually a more recent poll shows little Hill behind Edwards

Below are the results of a three-day poll in the state of Iowa. Results are based on telephone interviews with 600 likely Republican cacus goers and 600 likely Democratic cacus goers, aged 18+, and conducted August 17-19, 2007. The margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points.

1. If the 2008 Republican presidential caucus were held today between Sam Brownback, Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, John McCain, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Tom Tancredo, and Fred Thompson, for whom would you vote? (Republicans Only; Names Rotated)
Mitt Romney 31%
Fred Thompson 15%
Rudy Giuliani 13%
John McCain 8%
Mike Huckabee 8%
Newt Gingrich 3%
Ron Paul 3%
Tom Tancredo 3%
Sam Brownback 2%
Duncan Hunter 1%
Undecided 13%

2. Do you see President George W. Bush as a conservative Republican in the mode of Ronald Reagan? (Republicans Only)
Yes 9%
No 78%
Undecided 13%

3. How important is it for the Republican presidential candidate to be a conservative Republican in the mode of Ronald Reagan, very important, somewhat important, not very important, not important, or undecided? (Republicans Only)
Very Important 47%
Somewhat Important 18%
Not Very Important 8%
Not Important 16%
Undecided 11%

4. Do you favor a withdrawal of all United States military from Iraq within the next six months? (Republicans Only)
Yes 51%
No 39%
Undecided 10%

5. If the 2008 Democratic presidential caucus were held today between, Joeseph Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Barack Obama, and Bill Richardson, for whom would you vote? (Democrats Only; Names Rotated)
John Edwards 23%
Barack Obama 22%
Hillary Clinton 21%
Bill Richardson 14%
Joseph Biden 5%
Chris Dodd 1%
Dennis Kucinich 1%
Undecided 13%

6. Do you favor a withdrawal of all United States military from Iraq within the next six months? (Democrats Only)
Yes 85%
No 7%
Undecided 8%

7. When making your selection for a presidential candidate, what are you looking for most in the candidate, charisma, experience, or ideology? (Democrats Only)
Ideology 32%
Charisma 30%
Experience 27%
Undecided 11%


http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/iowa_poll_0823...

[cobalt1999]

15. That's still way too close for Edwards

I expect the gloves to come off now, he doesn't have any other options because he can't out-spend Hillary or Obama.

[Debi]

42. Or he'll skip Iowa or promote other states to move ahead of Iowa...

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PRIMARY_SCRAMBLE?SITE=IADES&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

<snip>

Supporters of presidential candidate John Edwards are pressing for a Democratic caucus instead of a primary in Michigan. Edwards has strong support among organized labor, whose influence might be magnified in a caucus where the ability to turn out voters willing to attend party meetings is critical.

Edwards said Wednesday in an AP interview in Nevada that "I'm going to campaign in the states that are participating in the process. ... My job is not to make the rules, my job is to run."

<snip>

[Debi]

21. Thanks Broke Dad

I was just gonna post that. A new poll comes out in Iowa almost daily, and a different person leads each time. Why do people go gaga over ONE poll that shows their candidate ahead for a 24-hour news cycle?

[jenmito]

12. Since Edwards, like Obama, is running on being the candidate of "change"

it seems to follow that most of Edwards' supporters will move to Obama once Edwards runs out of money. Let's see what the polls look like then. :D

[illinoisprogressive]

14. Just read a new Iowa poll and it's Edwards, Obama and Evita clinton

[durrrty libby]

16. You wish

[jenmito]

17. I wish and I think I'm right, too.

Why would those who support Edwards go to Hillary? He's always blasting her for taking corporate money, not being the candidate of change, etc.

[durrrty libby]

18. You = wrong Intelligent people will go to her. That's the way it is

[jenmito]

19. You=mean and wrong. Common sense says they'll go to Obama.

And THAT'S the way it is. B-)

[durrrty libby]

20. Obama's numbers are tanking down the toilet. You ..try a little reality

[jenmito]

23. You...try a little civility. Once Edwards drops out Obama will get most of his supporters.

[durrrty libby]

24. Dream on

[jenmito]

26. As Debi just posted from up-thread...

5. If the 2008 Democratic presidential caucus were held today between, Joeseph Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Barack Obama, and Bill Richardson, for whom would you vote? (Democrats Only; Names Rotated)

John Edwards 23%
Barack Obama 22%
Hillary Clinton 21%
Bill Richardson 14%
Joseph Biden 5%
Chris Dodd 1%
Dennis Kucinich 1%
Undecided 13%

[Debi]

27. Actually Broke Dad posted it first -

and it's just one poll in a multitude of polls that come from many different organizations. But by putting them together you'll see that Iowa is still very fluid. No one candidate has Iowa locked up. (That includes any of the three anointed by the MSM.)

[jenmito]

29. I know. I sid she got it from up-thread.

[durrrty libby]

28. I'll just let you stay in the dark, because obviously, you like it there

:toast: :hi:


p.s. your kind of manners....:puke: :puke: :puke:

[jenmito]

30. Buh bye.

Learn some manners.

[durrrty libby]

31. Make me

[Debi]

22. From up-thread

5. If the 2008 Democratic presidential caucus were held today between, Joeseph Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Barack Obama, and Bill Richardson, for whom would you vote? (Democrats Only; Names Rotated)

John Edwards 23%
Barack Obama 22%
Hillary Clinton 21%
Bill Richardson 14%
Joseph Biden 5%
Chris Dodd 1%
Dennis Kucinich 1%
Undecided 13%

[jenmito]

25. Thank you. That hardly shows Obama tanking.

:hi:

[Name removed]

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[ncabot22]

33. Why is his ass in your mouth?

[jenmito]

34. S/he's the first poster I've ever put on ignore. I can only imagine what s/he said

to get that question from you...

[ncabot22]

35. S/he

said Obama's ass is in the shitter, so I responded. :)

[RevolutionStartsNow]

36. This poster...

is clearly looking for a fight. The "Obama is in the shitter" line has been repeated in multiple threads. Just lookin' for a fight, I suspect. You can usually tell by the short snarky repetitive replies. Ignore is a good remedy for such a poster.

[ncabot22]

37. You're probably right

I've never put anyone on ignore. I try to tolerate people but this one is particulary snarky...like a jack russell terrier without the cuteness.

[jenmito]

39. Thanks...

for the info. You're clearly right. :hi:

[jenmito]

38. ...

Good and appropriate answer! :yourock:

[ncabot22]

40. Thanks, jenmito!

:)

[jenmito]

41. You're very welcome, ncabot!

:hi: