FL news site posts Dean WI loss already! I verified it by phone. Outrage!

[madfloridian]

I found this on the Dean blog. I called the number given, hoping to find it was a mistake. The man who answered was very upfront....they got it from the AP....it has been sent out already!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I called the station running the story:

Dean's Campaign Hit with Another Blow after Wisconsin Loss
Last Update: 2/17/2004 8:42:42 AM

(what the h***?! How can they post this?! The election hasn't even taken
place?!)
http://www.wtev.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=9C9CAB2C-2942-4006-A0C5-D62EE65FA524

here's their number: News Hotline
[phone]

They said they will change it, but it wouldn't hurt for them to hear from
some other people.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I hope you do not think this is ok. I don't!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

1. Pretty outrageous, seeing that it's

only 10:10AM in the Central Time zone.

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. Whaaaaaaaaaat?????!!!!!

Damn! and I was pissed off last Tuesday NIGHT when CNN called Va. for Kerry the very SECOND the polls closed! Man this pisses me off! That shows absolutely NO RESPECT for the election process or Howard Dean. :grr:

[maddezmom]

3. looks like they changed it - " Dean's Campaign Manager Leaves"

[madfloridian]

7. He said they were hurrying to pull it.

I called the Dean campaign, and I told them where it was posted. Whether they can do anything at all about the AP lies remains to be seen.

I would hope not one person on this forum today will defend this.

I believe their email is [e-mail]

Anyone got a better one?

[maddezmom]

13. the article is credited to Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News

and run on a CBS affiliate site. Not sure how AP is involved?

[maddezmom]

14. here's a link to start

http://www.wtev.com/contactus/

Susan Adams Loyd
General Manager
[e-mail]

Jerry Campbell
General Sales Manager
[e-mail]

Jim LaBranche
News Director
Please send news questions here.
[e-mail]

Debbie Knight
Director Of Programming and Audience Services
Please send your programming questions here.
[e-mail]

Martie Philpot
Business Manager
[e-mail]

Doug Crall
Chief Engineer
Please send your technical questions here.
[e-mail]

Buffy Walsh
Promotions Manager
[e-mail]

Tony Sotelo
Production Manager
[e-mail]

Anne Bourdeaux
Marketing and Community Relations Manager
[e-mail]

Brenda McArthur
Traffic Manager
[e-mail]

Ann Carrigan
Sales Research Director
[e-mail]

Jake McCain
Art Director
Art Director

Charlie Sininger
Web Producer
Web Producer

[madfloridian]

17. Thanks, was just looking for that.

I am still so mad I am shaking.
:hi:

[madfloridian]

16. I was just going by what this guy said.

I asked him the reporter at AP, and he seemed confused. Heck, he was not even sure about any of it.

[janx]

42. Strange! Then why did the NY Daily News post a byline

crediting someone named Helen Kennedy and neglect the reference to Knight-Ridder?

[madfloridian]

4. The guy was honest, but did not seem especially bothered.

I asked him if he were aware the WI primaries were today, and he wasn't really. He just relied on the AP.

Isn't that special!

[funky_bug]

5. This is absolutely ridiculous, and I'm outraged!

These media whores are so eager to snatch the scoop that they are throwing off the entire process.

I guess on the plus side, if I were trying to decide if I "had time" to vote tonight, and I were supporting Dean, that would sure make me get my butt to the polls to prove them wrong. On the flip side, if I were supporting the leader, it might make it a bit less urgent for me to get to the polls. Just some thoughts to encourage you. I wish for the best for Dean and his supporters.

[Wickerman]

6. They can't blame that on AP

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=1&u=/ap/20040217/ap_on_el_pr/democrats

Here is the AP story (I belive) - they re-wrote it for their own purposes - whatver that might be.

Dean Insists Run Won't End in Wisconsin
56 minutes ago

By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer

MILWAUKEE - Democratic front-runner John Kerry (news - web sites) looked to Wisconsin on Tuesday for a victory to snuff out the struggling campaign of Howard Dean (news - web sites), who denied his organization was in turmoil and that a loss would end his bid for the nomination.

[madfloridian]

8. Ah, methinks they deserve more calls?

It is outrageous.

[BootinUp]

9. I hate to hear this

I can sympathize with Dean supporters, this is outrageous

[janx]

35. It's not just AP.

The media machine in general is in full anti-Dean mode now. Some of it has been posted here today.

[madfloridian]

10. I had Dean HQ read my post. They thought it was an anti-Dean site.

I assured them that it was just a Democratic site.

[janx]

12. They thought DU was an anti-Dean site?

Is that what you're saying?

[madfloridian]

15. Yes, he thought I was not a Dean supporter.

I assured him I was not posting at an anti-Dean site. I told him it was a Democratic site.

[seaglass]

51. Kind of like if you're not with us, you're against us. If this is not

a pro-Dean site, it must be an anti-Dean site:eyes:

[madfloridian]

52. It was his first impression. Wonder where he got that?

I don't have a clue. I did not tell him, he assumed from what he read.

[seaglass]

54. Possibly he's a little insulated and has spent too much

time reading the posts on the Dean forum?

[madfloridian]

56. Cute.

BTW, this forum is not Dean friendly. I decided not to care. Ok?

[seaglass]

62. Not Kerry friendly either.

Whoops...edited to add..

I'm not expecting it to be either.

[madfloridian]

65. This thread is about a lying media, bigger than Kerry or Dean, Ok?

I am not going to argue about this. You are totally missing the point of the thread. The media put up a false headline, and they don't even understand what they did wrong.

That should scare you. Kerry, Dean, whoever. I can not help what the staffer thought. I did not bring it up. He said it, I did not.

Now I will scurry back to the warmth and comfort of the blog.

For heavens sake, give me a break. I am not a fool, and I hate being treated like one.

[seaglass]

69. I'm not trying to treat you like a fool, nor do I think you are

one. You brought up the side-topic and it looked like you got a few responses, is there a problem with my responding too?

I'm not scared, I think it's stupid (re: posting conclusions before conclusions can be made).

[Leilani]

98. This is Outrageous

The media has failed so badly during this primary process, & this should scare all of us.

It may not be YOUR candidate they are screwing today, but maybe next time it will be.

[Atlant]

44. Funny! *THEY* get it! (NT)

[madfloridian]

48. He wondered why I was calling. He saw some posts and went wow.

I explained that I was a Dean supporter. I don't think I convinced him it was really a Democratic site, though.

[Atlant]

60. Maybe he'll write to Skinner. (NT)

[Atlant]

45. (Removed by poster after a horrible database error message)

[BL_Zebub]

11. Just think if the media had been this bad in 1948

Dewey really would have defeated Truman - at least once the whores had spun the story that way :grr:

[Snivi Yllom]

18. unbelievable

It makes me want to throw my computer in the lake.

[Name removed]

19. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[maxanne]

21. nasty accusation

AP

[AP]

24. No. Legitimate question.

[madfloridian]

26. Did I answer your *legitimate* question, AP?

Just wondering.

[AP]

81. Unless I see the article itself, how can I beleive what it said?

Normally, in a situation like this, the Dean blogger would have cut and pasted the article to the complaint.

Did the AP reporter read you the article? Can you tell us what it said?

[madfloridian]

30. Did you read my first post, AP?

If so why would you ask if it were legitimate. Do you think I would post something that I did not think to be true?

That truly upsets me.

[AP]

82. I'd like to read the article myself. Did the AP reporter read it to you?

[madfloridian]

92. They took it down, but I know some people who got screenshots.

I told them about your desire for proof, but they don't seem too interested right now. They are busy today.

The station manager said that was the headline, that they realized it was not right. He told me.

I have posted more on this near the bottom of the thread, but hey, go for it. It is keeping this important thread kicked.

I know I am honest, and I doubt you will ever think so, but keep kicking the thread.

[AP]

96. This is all I asked for. You know, there's a presumption that unreliable

information is generated by campaign blogs.

I don't think it's a crime to point that out.

[madfloridian]

22. I read about the headline, I called the station, they verified it.

They said they had put it up by mistake and they were pulling it. At least they were honest. They said it was from an AP story, and they put it up before verifying. I don't think the guy knew what a primary was or ever heard of WI. Nor did he care especially.

I called, and I verified.

[madfloridian]

67. AP, have you vetted me yet?

I am still waiting.

[AP]

83. I had a post deleted once because it cited the Edwards blog as a source.

Is it beyond reason to assume that a Dean blogger might exaggerate the content of an article? And why isn't the content pasted into his or her post?

I wasn't saying that you're perpertrating a hoax. I'm saying that the Dean blogger might be exaggerating the article. What exactly did you confirm when you called the AP reporter?

And what was his or her name? I wouldn't mind calling to confirm it.

[madfloridian]

85. I quoted the news station manager!

Thanks for understanding.

[AP]

86. Before post 19?

[AP]

87. By the way, this is my understanding of citing blogs:

"We believe that blogs (including DU) are not by nature reliable sources of information. Anyone could post just about anything on a blog (and they routinely do) and then come to DU and use a blog message as "proof" of one thing or another. The problem with trying to moderate this stuff is that we have to make highly subjective judgement calls like this one."

-Skinner

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=120&topic_id=12631

That was the only thing I was trying to address. Even if you called to verify, up to post 19, there was no indication of what you verified. Even if there was a headline, I still think it's important to read the article. I have a strong suspicion that the article itself was not all that inflamatory, and might have cast light on the choice of headlines. That's why, I believe, the blogger didn't paste any of the article's content to the Dean blog and I was trying to bring people's attention to that fact -- and therefore, might have been exaggerating the implications.

Furthermore, no DU'er even saw the article, which I thought was important to note.

This isn't about you. It's about the reliability of claims made by candidate advocates on candidate blogs.

[madfloridian]

89. I called the station. AP, I called them. I talked to them.

Please let me know what else you wnat. I am glad this is keeping my post kicked to remind people how our Democracy has been destroyed by irresponsible media.

Have I been cleared of any charges in your mind yet? If not feel free to keep kicking the thread.

[AP]

91. I keep saying: I'd like to read the article for a little context.

It's like that student paper everyone keeps citing. You have to read the whole thing, and see the context to understand what it's all about.

I never charged YOU. I was talking about the blogger.

[madfloridian]

94. Call this number. Talk to this man.

Jim LaBranche
News Director
CBS47 and FOX30 Television
11700 Central Parkway
Jacksonville, FL 32224
904-996-0425

:kick:

Thanks for keeping this post kicked up, AP. Much appreciated.

[madfloridian]

88. I said in the first post that I verified it by calling.

Please let me know if you don't see it, and I will continue this dialogues as long as possible. I feel you tried to make me sound irresponsible here so I am willing to go right on until you are satisfied I am being truthful.
After all, it has been fully verified now.

[AP]

90. Verified what? I appreciate that you verified the title. However, I think

it's important to verify the whole thing -- the article too.

This had nothing to do with you.

Did you see the article?

[madfloridian]

93. Call this number. Talk to this man.

Jim LaBranche
News Director
CBS47 and FOX30 Television
11700 Central Parkway
Jacksonville, FL 32224
904-996-0425

:kick:

[AP]

95. Did he read you the article?

[madfloridian]

97. Call this number. Talk to this man. Ask him.

Jim LaBranche
News Director
CBS47 and FOX30 Television
11700 Central Parkway
Jacksonville, FL 32224
904-996-0425

Thanks for keeping my thread kicked, AP.

[boxster]

20. It's gone now, but geez, what a joke!

It's like CNN and their pre-death obituaries.

The reports of my (campaign's) demise are greatly exaggerated.

[maddezmom]

23. another one FOX23 in Albany,NY

http://www.fox23news.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=9C9CAB2C-2942-4006-A0C5-D62EE65FA524
Dean's Campaign Hit with Another Blow after Wisconsin Loss
WXXA, NY - 1 hour ago
17--WASHINGTON -- Like a plummeting comet, the once-soaring Howard Dean campaign
kept disintegrating yesterday ahead of today's potentially final defeat in

but it's gone, weird stuff going on.

[janx]

29. This must be AP. It's wire copy if it's showing up in different

places.

I suspect that the story has been written and these two sites made mistakes by putting it up so early.

But I MUST say that the melodrama of the first line is nothing short of laughable.

I'd love to know how to get in touch with AP.

[madfloridian]

33. Here is one address.

[e-mail]

[maddezmom]

36. actually it's from the NY Daily News

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/165194p-144678c.html

[janx]

37. Oh, I see. We can credit Helen Kennedy for the "plummeting comet"

simile then.

God this would be funny if it weren't so desperate.

But you're right. Somebody picked the story up and changed the headline after ole' Helen wrote her gem of journalism.

[madfloridian]

25. Help me keep this post up a while, as I made some other calls.

If you see anything else like this, please post it.

[11 Bravo]

27. This is insane! (And I support John Kerry).

I will be springing for a long-distance phone call to express my outrage.

[DuctapeFatwa]

28. That was not good. People like to believe that their votes count

And that belief sells ads, which pay reporters' salaries.

This looks like a disgruntled employee kind of thing.

[janx]

32. People will still believe that their votes count.

They'll be wrong, but they'll still believe it.

[Name removed]

31. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[janx]

38. Dean is not out of money. Not by a very long shot. n/t

[madfloridian]

39. Wow! Can I safely assume you are not a Dean supporter?

Wow, you sure do have a lot of facts wrong.

[x-g.o.p.er]

50. No, I am either for Kerry or Edwards....but

What facts do I have wrong?

Show me a poll where he leads in WI...or anywhere.

Did his campaign manager quit, or was he fired? Either way, he's gone...over to Kerry, for goodness sake.

Didn't he have $40 million plus just last month? What does he have in the coffers now? He's broke.

Sorry, I think Dean has brought a lot to the race, but it's obvious to almost everyone but die-hard Dean supporters that it's over. He fought a valiant fight, but he has lost.

At least with Edwards, he has a better shot in the South of gaining momentum and challenging Kerry. Not much, but it is possible. I don't see where Dean can reverse the momentum shift.

[madfloridian]

53. You have a lot wrong.

Dean has corrected all of this on TV. You have a lot wrong.

[x-g.o.p.er]

73. I hope I do...

Dean brings a lot to the race. It's good to have clear choices, instead of annointments

[mmonk]

34. outrageous

reminds me when they said Clark was DOA on the day of the NH primary. Where is real journalism? Real reporting? Don't they care anymore?

[candy331]

47. All citizens should be outraged by this

regardless of party affiliation.It seems fair elections in this country have been strangled. What will we get in November, I shudder to think. Is what's left of democracy gone now also? Dean said on Hardball that he would seek to break the hold of corporate media and now can you see why this needs to be done. Corporate media has shown they are not to be held accountable to anyone.

[Atlant]

59. You know the answer to that.

> Where is real journalism? Real reporting? Don't they care anymore?

You know the answer to that. They care deeply, but for the
corporate profits and *NOT* for journalistic integrety or
the ultimate fate of our country.

Atlant

[NoPasaran]

40. I wonder when they'll be posting the November results

Could save a lot of us a lot of trouble.

[arwalden]

41. Check One Of The Astrology Threads In The Meeting Room Forum

:hi: LOL :hi:

-- Allen

[janx]

43. They'll post those tomorrow.

;-)

[maxanne]

46. maybe they'll

have the Maine count by then, too.

[indigo32]

49. No kidding

this is ridiculous

[Atlant]

55. Jack Welch is reviewing those stories now.

(Well, nowadays, Jeffrey R. Immelt, but you wouldn't have recognized
him. And then add Rupert Murdoch, Michael Eisner, Sumner Redstone,
etc. ...)

http://www.ge.com/company/companyinfo/executivebios/board_of_directors.htm

[Renew Deal]

57. It looks like they took it down.

[Renew Deal]

58. Here is a google search I did.

It looks like it has been taken down.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&edition=us&q=Dean%27s+Campaign+Hit+with+Another+Blow+after+Wisconsin+Loss&btnG=Search+News

http://www.fox23news.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=9C9CAB2C-2942-4006-A0C5-D62EE65FA524

[madfloridian]

61. Thanks, glad you found that at Google.

One person above suggested I might not have checked it out. The guy I talked to said they were taking it down, it was from AP, and he did not know when the WI primary was. I am not sure he even knew what I was talking about.

This is very sad and very scary.

[mzmolly]

63. More proof of the media take down.

:( Thanks for posting this MF, and thanks for getting it changed!

[WI_DEM]

64. that is the unbiased media for you

They want Dean out and it to be a Kerry-Edwards race or two guys who are pretty similar on most issues and supported Bush on the war, leave no child behind, tax cuts, ect.

[madfloridian]

66. Hoot! Dean folks are rockin on this thing. It is NOT ok.

Found on the blog just now.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
****************ROUND UP OF THE CBS-47 / DEAN LOSES WI STORY:

I called the CBS-47 Florida channel that had the headline on their site this AM that said Dean lost the WI primary. They said that they get their national news feed directly from CBS national, and I should call them to lodge my complaint.

I called CBS and got Mike Sims on the line, the director of all the content on CBS.com. He said that CBS doesn't have any relationship with CBS-47 in FL and that the story would not have come from CBS national.

So, I three-way called James, at CBS-47 in FL, with myself and Mike, and it came out that the story was originally issued by Knight Ridder Tribune wire service. James spoke to a woman there this AM, Theresa, who told him that they were having trouble finding the source / author of the article. James is still trying to track this down and follow up on it.

I called Knight Ridder Tribune. Janie at Knight Ridder says their general manager is already on the track of this story but they still have not been able to track down where it came from or who wrote it.

I sent her the URL with the screenshots – thank you, blog people!

Janie promises to follow up with her manager (who is supposedly already on the case). Here is their number - 202-383-6095, press "4" and then "4" again, ask for Janie. I suggest we call TOMORROW to follow up. Janie is very sweet and nice, so be nice and just encourage!
Posted by Heather in NY at February 17, 2004 01:00
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[tameszu]

68. Gone! None of the links work anymore

Great job in beating the media awfulness back into line, but did you get screen captures? If you don't want to post them (justifiably), could you please PM me so I could get one by email? I love proof of media misconduct!

Thanks!

[madfloridian]

70. See my post just above yours.

A Dean blogger got some of them. I have the one from the CA aggie site which I caught in time. That is in my other post.

[janx]

72. MF, has anyone contacted the Aggie publication--not just

the writer, but the publisher? I think it's a U. of C. Davis student publication or something.

[tameszu]

74. I found the Aggie site on DU

Do you have a link to the Dean blog?

[madfloridian]

75. See my other thread here at DU. I will check but blog moves very fast.

See my thread about the aggie article.

[janx]

76. Here--

http://www.blogforamerica.com/

[madfloridian]

79. Would be in the comments for the 2nd story, I think.

There is so much outrage and so many stories hitting it is sickening.

[jansu]

71. This is so wrong and outrageous, but we knew they were doing something...

I posted this yesterday,which explains why it is happening. Just one of the reasons they are taking Dean down. We must stop them. We did not march in the streets when the 2000 election was stolen, but we must now start to protest out where it will be seen. Peaceful protest marches! Also, send all you have to those few reporters who still have a backbone and to all foreign news services. And e-mail to your address book. I still believe that most Americans would be outraged about this!

The reason we need to get the media out of the control of those six owners!

A popular government, without popular information or the means of acquiring it, is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy; or, perhaps, both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance: And a people who mean to be their own governors, must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives. James Madison

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=344551&mesg_id=344551

[madfloridian]

77. Answer from Jax news director....found at blog for DFA

From: Labranche, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:25 AM
To: Patti Fink
Cc: Loyd, Susan
Subject: RE: Yellow journalism - Game-playing by the media

Dear Ms. Fink,

Thank you for your note regarding the story posted on our website regarding the Dean campaign. The national content on our website is generated from the Associated Press. We do not write the national stories.

After seeing the article, we immediately took steps to have the story corrected.

We do not practice biased journalism at WTEV CBS47 and we are very concerned that this was able to make it onto our website. We plan to investigate further.

Sincerely,

Jim LaBranche

Jim LaBranche
News Director
CBS47 and FOX30 Television
11700 Central Parkway
Jacksonville, FL 32224
904-996-0425

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
We need to hold their feet to the fire, as well as AP.

[Anwen]

78. WHAT!??!?

Where is journalistic integrity??? This is totally outrageous, most people haven't even VOTED yet!!!!!!! :grr: They will definitely hear from me...

[madfloridian]

80. I hope we all keep our eyes out today. This is just too much.

They will do it to anyone.

[Nicholas_J]

84. This is my towns television station

They never get anything right and the county has a functional illiteracy rate of 59 percent.

I had to double check when they claimed that Clark dropped out of the race five miunustes after I head his wife proclaiming him the next president of the United States on C-SPAN. They were correct on that one though.

This area is also 67 percent Republican, and is the county in which 37,500 democratic votes disappeared from the vote count in 2000 (from primarily black and poor white districts, and districts that were largely democratic in profile)

[madfloridian]

99. For AP and others who wanted a screen shot and verification:

http://www.punxfordean.org/issues.html

I hope this is sufficient. I told you that some people got screen shots.

Sitting humbly, awaiting apology.