AARP Poll: Iowans ays Hillary Best Addressing Health Care

[William769]

Hillary Clinton, followed by John Edwards, has best addressed the health-care issue, according to a new poll of older Iowans. Mitt Romney, meanwhile, rates highest on the Republican side.

Twenty-three percent of the Democratic respondents to a poll conducted by AARP said Clinton, a New York senator, best addressed health care, followed closely by Edwards at 17 percent and Barack Obama at 7 percent. The poll was released Thursday.

Edwards, the party’s 2004 vice presidential candidate, and Obama, an Illinois senator, already have released comprehensive reform plans. Clinton has gradually laid out only some elements of her plan, including an initiative on quality Thursday. Still, she is closely identified with reform efforts in the early 1990s.

Forty-three percent of Democratic respondents said they don’t have enough information to judge who has best addressed the issue.

http://www.qctimes.com/news/elections/doc46ce60a3b723d676777058.txt

[Mojorabbit]

1. It is telling that so many

Dem respondents don't have the info to judge.

[William769]

3. Whats more telling are some of the comments on DU, that come from fantasy land.

[Mojorabbit]

5. Obviously the message is not

being effectively got out to the people who will be making their choices.. if that high a percentage feel they don't have enough knowledge re the candidates positions.

[YOY]

7. Like yours for example...

n/t

[William769]

11. I'll let the poll speak for itself. NT

[YOY]

17. You'd ignore other polls like it that don't present favorable results

and that is reason alone to ignore your poll posting.

[William769]

25. I dare you to show me one poll I have ignored.

It's your side that ignores the polls, because you just can't catch a break and for good reason.

[YOY]

30. Start answering some of the real concerns with something more than petty insults

You're not very good at it. I'm still chuckling at how jgraz wiped the floor with your insulting skills yesterday.

Now go here and start defending Hillary with something more than petty insults and support from celebrities who most of us could give a lesser crap about: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3472178

People have real concerns with her. Debate them or get lost.

[William769]

37. And just like him changing the subject.

typical. I don't need to bring someone else into the conversation. If you can't hack it by yourself, I suggest you go find him.

[YOY]

40. Awwww...are we still sore about having our ass handed to us???

Now go and debate where I told you and start acting like a grown up.

[William769]

43. Do you realize how silly you sound?

[YOY]

44. Yeah...it's silly to have to talk to an adult like a baby

It's also silly that you can't debate like a grown man...so perhaps you can go to the aforementioned subject and start tellng people why their fears about Hillary Clinton are unwaranted... but you can't do that, can you? (Hint...just shut up and go...prove me wrong...prove me you can debate and convince us why our fears about her are all unwarranted...and yes, that is what you need to do here.)

Or maybe our fears are perfectly warranted, she'd say anything it would take to get elected, she's really exactly what a Republican "should be" (right of center), and maybe you know that and really think progressives are idiots and we're not worthy to wear a (D)...we're just "idealists" after all.

[aquart]

2. Funny. She failed but it seems nobody forgot that she tried.

She tried and nobody backed her. Country has a longer memory than we thought.

[bunkerbuster1]

6. Once again, right-wing morons fail by piling on...

the reason that nobody forgot her attempts at reform is because right wing jackals have brought up "Hillarycare" as if it were a sinister plot that would've been successful had it not be for the efforts of patriotic RealMerkinz...

Honest to God, I have had an online conversation with a conservative who claimed that HRC's plan was the closest America came to fascism.

That's why people still remember it. Har har har har...

[aquart]

9. Bless their hearts.

[liberalnurse]

4. I totally agree.....

Her 7-Step Plan for affordable healthcare makes so much sense. To make changes to benefit the uninsured, you have to adjust the "System" first....Just because a plan outlines all the needs idealistic does not make it reasonably possible. Hillary has learned that lesson first hand. Today, she knows how to "evolve" instead of reach and hope.

Scroll thru the 7-Steps:

#4 is my favorite.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/feature/healthcare/

[Mojorabbit]

8. I am not sure about number 2

It would be fine for hospitals but I prefer my family care doc not have everything paperless. Billing is already done via internet. If I am telling him my personal problems I don't want it out there on the net. I'd rather it was on paper in my chart in his office.

[liberalnurse]

10. It's how hospitals are operating now.

With paperless, the physician can access the chart from his/her laptop or office. Staff can get immediate feedback as well just like we do her at DU.

The hospital I work for uses the Epic System for all 5 of their hospitals and many clinics in their network. It is great. I can pull up an MRI at my work station and/or at the bedside or with a hospital laptop in the conference room and review or chart care delivery. I can follow a patient from the moment they enter the Emergency Room. I can pull-up their old record from a previous admission to help facilitate continuity of care...so very much can be done. Oh, now the IV fluid pumps are integrated aw well right so every medication is documented, tracked instantaneously with time, dose, infusion amount...etc.... We still use a greatly reduced chart for a few items such as a hard copy of physician orders.....this backs-up the electronic order.

It is good.

[Mojorabbit]

13. I know hospitals are doing it

and I don't have a problem with that. My husband is a physician and we can pull up MRI's from home on his patients. A lot of his patients come in with drug problems or children with drug problems as well as personal problems which are noted on his charts. I don't think these should be available via a paperless system.
What about people who have had marital affairs and confide in their doctor? There is enough data mining by the govt as it is and I'd hate for insurance companies to have much of that info. Certain things are better left on paper in the doc's office. Just my opinion.

[rurallib]

12. My goodness those seven steps add up to

walk all over me. There is absolutely nothing to those points but some non-specific platitudes.

[liberalnurse]

14. Well, I'm giving her money for the cause.

Many, many nurses are as well. O8)

[JTFrog]

18. Funny the nurses I saw represented recently

were spending money in on ads confronting her about universal health care. You know the lobbyists that she says she takes money from because they represent working people of America. Why do they have to pay for ads to confront her and get her to pay attention if they are already giving her their money through donations?

[YOY]

20. My little sister the RN was in on that. She doesn't like Hill's plan at all.

It keeps the parasites in power. That's the disease. You treat the disease not the symptoms...

but I actually respect LiberalNurse a lot more than most of the scary Hillary folks so I won't be rude about it.

[Mojorabbit]

33. I am a retired nurse

and universal care is the way to go.

[liberalnurse]

38. To be successful in achieving the goal,

we need to shed the snake not cut the head off to make any progress. Congress has responded to change historically on issues in a slow, progressively fashion...we whittle away at the log and make it into a beautiful package. This is Hillary's Plan...... Hillary has learned from past efforts...at LEAST SHE TRIED! :bounce:

[Mojorabbit]

41. From what I read on the website

I disagree. My husband is a physician. He already experienced the "bonus" thing. An insurance company wanted to give him a bonus to essentially cut his standard of care and save them money at his patient"s expense. He told them to go pound.

When he was dropped from their list his patients all wrote in and they took him back on his terms. This is a big carrier. Good care is a physician doing their job which is impossible to do these days when people do not have coverage or cannot afford their copays.

Her plan does not address the issues. She tried and she failed in her first attempt. She is making the same mistake again by not bypassing or eliminating the insurance companies. Further downthread someone posted Edward's plan. I am not a fan of his but his plan is much better.

[antigop]

15. Those seven steps are not a specific plan. Thank you, rurallib. n/t

[William769]

16. She is rolling out her health care plan slowly.

It will be unveiled in October.

[JTFrog]

21. I've seen a preview and it is not impressive.

Keeping insurance companies in the loop and asking them to give incentives to doctors thereby increasing the insurers costs, thereby increases your costs, thereby increasing corporate profits is not universal health care. She wants to spend more in training nurses, but doesn't address the problems of why there are a lack of nurses to begin with.

I'm so fed up with all the BS excuses on why we can't take care of our citizens. Until the insurance companies are thrown out of the loop millions of people will continue to be unable to afford medical care and will be denied services and will keep on dying needlessly.

Where has the humanity gone?

[William769]

24. I have seen a preview also.

I Like it.

[LSK]

26. and lets compare to John Edwards plan

http://johnedwards.com/issues/health-care/

John Edwards has a bold plan to transform America's health care system and provide universal health care for every man, woman and child in America.
Under the Edwards Plan:

* Families without insurance will get coverage at an affordable price.
* Families with insurance will pay less and get more security and choices.
* Businesses and other employers will find it cheaper and easier to insure their workers.

The Edwards Plan achieves universal coverage by:

* Requiring businesses and other employers to either cover their employees or help finance their health insurance.
* Making insurance affordable by creating new tax credits, expanding Medicaid and SCHIP, reforming insurance laws, and taking innovative steps to contain health care costs.
* Creating regional "Health Care Markets" to let every American share the bargaining power to purchase an affordable, high-quality health plan, increase choices among insurance plans, and cut costs for businesses offering insurance.
* Once these steps have been taken, requiring all American residents to get insurance.

Securing universal healthcare for every American will require the active involvement of millions of Americans.

[Mojorabbit]

31. We have a small business

and cannot afford to insure our two employees, also hubby cannot get isurance due to a preexisting condition at any price. Who will set up the Health care markets? Insurance companies?
Neither Hillary's or Edward's plans give any details on how the insurance companies will fit in to the plans. They will not be able to not cherry pick and yet insure everyone with their high administrative costs and not raise prices. They need to be cut out completely.

[LSK]

34. read further

http://johnedwards.com/about/issues/health-care-overview.pdf

Third: New Health Care Markets. The U.S. government will help states and groups of states create
regional Health Care Markets, non-profit purchasing pools that offer a choice of competing insurance
plans. At least one plan would be a public program based upon Medicare. All plans will include
comprehensive benefits, including full mental health benefits. Families and businesses could choose to
supplement their coverage with additional benefits. The markets will be available to everyone who
does not get comparable insurance from their jobs or a public program and to employers that choose to
join rather than offer their own insurance plans. The benefits of Health Care Markets include:
• Freedom and Security: Health Care Markets will give participants a choice among affordable,
quality plans. Americans can keep Health Care Market plans when they change or lose their jobs,
start new businesses, or take time off for caregiving.
• Choice between Public and Private Insurers: Health Care Markets will offer a choice between
private insurers and a public insurance plan modeled after Medicare, but separate and apart from it.
Families and individuals will choose the plan that works best for them. This American solution
will reward the sector that offers the best care at the best price. Over time, the system may evolve
toward a single-payer approach if individuals and businesses prefer the public plan.
• Promoting Affordable Care: Health Care Markets will negotiate low premiums through their
economies of scale so they can get a better deal than individuals and many businesses can get on
their own. Health Care Markets will also hold down administrative costs by reducing the need for
underwriting and marketing activities (two-thirds of private insurers’ overhead), centrally
collecting premiums, and exercising leadership to reduce costs on billing practices, claims
processing, and electronic medical records. Finally, they will be able to work with insurers to
adopt cost-effective approaches to health care like preventive care and to collect the data necessary
to drive quality improvement.
• Reducing Burdens for Businesses: By assuming the administrative role of negotiating benefit
plans with insurers and collecting premiums, Health Care Markets will minimize administrative
burdens for participating businesses and other employers. Businesses that opt into the markets will
only have to make financial contributions to the cost of covering their employees through markets,
similar to their role in Social Security and Medicare.

[Mojorabbit]

35. That is a better plan than

is on Hillary's website. I would prefer universal health care but I could live with this if everyone is guaranteed coverage at an affordable rate.

[sandnsea]

27. Yep, pandering to the upper 50% again

It doesn't matter whether those without health insurance actually get care, because the Clintons don't appeal to those voters anyway. Just pander pander pander to the upper and upper middle class, who only care about health care COSTS, get their votes and money, and move along.

Oh in a nutshell why I hate the Clintons.

[depakid]

42. You sure nailed that one

Pander, pander pander.

[Gloria]

19. Oh, Christ...she hasn't even put out a plan yet.....

God, isn't anybody thinking out there??

[William769]

22. And theres a reason.

[Mojorabbit]

32. And that would be? eom

[sandnsea]

29. Thinking about their own damn pocketbook

Typical self-centered DLC centrist yuppie Democrats.

[LSK]

23. I dont even know what her plan is

:wtf:

[sandnsea]

28. Cut COSTS for the upper 50%

Classic Clinton, blather on about how much you care, and then design a plan that only appeals to the DLC voter. Just so typical.

[jpljr77]

36. Wow, talk about using old information.

I guess a lot of folks assume she will be the best at addressing healthcare due to her push in the early '90s. But I guess those folks haven't been keeping track of her donors and allegiances in the past few years.

Of course, my ultimate fantasy regarding Hillary would be for her to win the Presidential election, along with a Democratic majority in both chambers. Then, a week after inauguration, she delivers an address to the country basically saying, "We are passing universal, single-payer healthcare. Thanks for all the money, healthcare industry." I think extending her middle finger might be a bit much, but that would totally rock.

That'll never happen, of course, but it's a nice image to picture.

[AtomicKitten]

39. I expected that.

Hill has a head start on this issue. She was steamrolled in the 1990s.
I have always applauded her work on this issue.

[Mojorabbit]

45. kick...

because I want to know more about the candidates health care plans

[Look My Way]

46. Hillary, Edwards and Obama.

Remind me of an old perfume commercial, "Promise her anything but give her Arpege" They will promise you anything to get elected. All their promises would triple our already bloated budget. But they don't care.