Brzezinski Endorses Obama

[wyldwolf]

Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of the most influential foreign-policy experts in the Democratic Party, threw his support behind Barack Obama's presidential candidacy, saying the Illinois senator has a better global grasp than his chief rival, Hillary Clinton.

``Obama is clearly more effective and has the upper hand,'' Brzezinski, who was President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, said. ``He has a sense of what is historically relevant, and what is needed from the United States in relationship to the world.''

Clinton's foreign-policy approach is ``very conventional,'' Brzezinski said. ``I don't think the country needs to go back to what we had eight years ago.''

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20070824/pl_bloomberg/ank76qu5lafs_1

``I don't think the country needs to go back to what we had eight years ago?" Peace? Prosperity? Dayton Accords? Stopping Genocide in Kosovo?

Mr. Brzezinski, your tenure as National Security advisor was marked by some very ominous events, including the normalization of relations with the People's Republic of China (and the severing of ties with the Republic of China — today's Taiwan), the transition of Iran to an anti-Western Islamic state, the arming of the mujaheddin in Afghanistan, the Iranian Hostage crisis, and the botched effort to rescue them.

Obama should shun this endorsement.

[Tom Joad]

1. Bill Clinton's presidency did not bring peace...

not if you were in Iraq. It brought a continuation of deadly sanctions, bombings, and much mayhem. what one would expect of a clinton.

[wyldwolf]

3. So, you're not going to comment on the endorsement?

[BeyondGeography]

2. Yeah, right

Zbig only knew Iraq was a disaster from the get-go...This is a KILLER endorsement.

[wyldwolf]

5. only for one issue voters.

[BeyondGeography]

10. Biden calls him one of the best strategic thinkers in America

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=4921

Not good enough for Wolf?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

Biden is DLC. So now conservative Democrats are great if they support Obama?

Al From should just endorse Obama and thereby make peace with a large segment of the netroots. :crazy:

[NYCGirl]

13. Conservative Democrats need love, too. Obama appeals to a wide range of

people.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

16. He does since he tries to be everything to everyone (read his book and watch him straddle)

Of course, you can market yourself as everything to everyone but you cannot be such in reality. Who do you think his Wall Street sponsors think the Real Obama is?

[NYCGirl]

20. Says the guy with the DLC...populist...whatever candidate. NT

[Ethelk2044]

22. Obama tries to be fair to himself. It does not matter if someone like his stance on the issue or

not.

[BeyondGeography]

15. Self-delete

[Ethelk2044]

17. Mad because Edwards did not get the endorsement.

[BeyondGeography]

19. We welcome Joe Biden's endorsement as well

:crazy:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

21. You cited a DLCer regarding a guy who was DLC before the DLC was even formed nt

[BeyondGeography]

27. I get it; today is Obama/DLC in DMC land

There could be a terrorist attack this evening and you would somehow bring it around to an Obama/DLC issue.

Dog is to bone as DMC is to Obama/DLC.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

30. Obama fans can't have it both ways on the DLC and Third Way thinking nt

[Capn Sunshine]

54. Obama specifically requested his name to be removed from all DLC literature

He was a member once. So was I. I guess you can't disagree with a group and leave. It's , what , tattooed on your brain? I'm just kidding myself? I'm still DLC because I agree with their good ideas, and disagree with the bad ones? Enough to quit? But I'm still DLC because I can't have it both ways?

Is that an accurate summary of your position?
Because you can't have it both ways.

[killbotfactory]

45. Being against the goals of the DLC,,,

doesn't mean a person has to disagree with ANYTHING and EVERYTHING someone associated with the DLC says.

Do you understand that, or is the issue not black and white enough?

[wyldwolf]

14. here's a picture of Brzezinski with Osama Bin Laden - good enough for you?

[SOS]

51. Not quite

The Village Voice printed this 1980 photo with a caption "Former friends". The 2001 article by James Ridgeway was about the CIA/Saudi/ISI support for Al Qaeda during the Afghan/Soviet war.
The Village Voice did NOT identify this man as bin Laden.

The beret, uniform, and insignia (parachute wings over the right pocket) make it clear that this man was in the Pakistani Special Forces.


Uniforms and Insignia of Pakistani Special Forces:
http://www.pakdef.info/pakmilitary/army/regiments/ssg.html

[Captain Hilts]

34. Biden is right. Zbig is the best. nt

[draft_mario_cuomo]

4. Is he DLC or just a conservative Democrat?

Personally, I like Brezinkski and most of his foreign policy views, have his last 2 books. However, this is just more evidence that Obama is a DLCer without a membership card. How long before Rahm makes this obvious by endorsing him?

[wyldwolf]

7. pre-DLC conservative Democrat. He was called the Democrat's Henry Kissinger.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

8. Was he another member of the netroots rogues gallery before Obama moved another goalpost? nt

[wyldwolf]

11. yep.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

24. Why am I not surprised that to the Obama wing of the netroots he suddenly is great? nt

[Capn Sunshine]

52. Is this a puppet show?

who pipes up next ?
Wait lemme check my program/script

[HeraldSquare212]

6. So, you're saying Brzezinski lost China?

Didn't realize that charge had such legs.

[Syrinx]

9. wasn't it his idea to arm the Mujahedeen (bin Laden)?

[wyldwolf]

12. Yep, and here is a picture of him with Osama Bin Laden

[BeyondGeography]

25. Helloooooooooo...that's twice you've promised the picture and failed

Get this irrelevancy over with and post the picture fer chrissakes!

[wyldwolf]

29. here ya go

[BeyondGeography]

31. LOL...that's not Osama!

Nice try though.

[wyldwolf]

39. LOL... yes it is. Nice try though

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/250407_brzezinski_911.html

http://fufor.twoday.net/stories/2302873/

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=+Brzezinski++Osama&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

[BeyondGeography]

40. It doesn't even look like him; Wiki has it right

Use your head. Don't you think if there was a real photo of Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser with Bin Laden the Republicans would have shopped the piss out of it by now?

Wiki's caption for the same photo:

Zbigniew Brzezinski speaking with Pakistani officer holding an RPD

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/%3Ftitle%3DZbigniew_Brzezinski&h=154&w=225&sz=23&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=ds9Fck0ldG0J9M:&tbnh=74&tbnw=108&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrzezinski%2Bbin%2Bladen%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26rls%3DGGLR,GGLR:2006-34,GGLR:en%26sa%3DN

[killbotfactory]

42. The Mujahideen Bin Laden was part of didn't have swank uniforms

That should also be a clue.

[BeyondGeography]

43. Yep...points for killbot n/t

[SOS]

53. Your links only verify

that some bloggers cannot identify a Pakistani military uniform.
Nice try though.

:rofl:

[Ethelk2044]

18. Mad because Clinton did not get the endorsement

[wyldwolf]

23. Here's a picture of Obama' latest fan with Osama bin Laden

[jefferson_dem]

26. And here's a picture of me with Elvis, taken yesterday...

[ChairmanAgnostic]

28. this guy has been ahead of the curve so many times.

he said the USSR threat was overblown, and that economically, they were close to a collapse. EVERYONE in the GOP and many in the CIA scoffed and laughed at him. He said invading Iraq would be a fiasco before it happened, and same result.

he is one smart dude, and if he did not have an accent and a funny name, he would be recognized for his brilliance and insight.

[David__77]

32. Recognizing China is "ominous?" lol...

Yeah, the US should have just kept recognizing Taipei as ruler of all China, in violation of truth and the international community consensus. Is that what you think?

I don't like Brzezinski because he was at the center of the Carter administration's anti-Soviet war strategy, like funding the theocrats to destabilize Afghanistan, etc., that paved the way for the total lunatic Reagan, and made nuclear war much more likely. It's amazing that there was no world war III from a certain perspective with these types in charge.

[Captain Hilts]

33. Zbig is a really smart guy, this means something. nt

[PaulaFarrell]

50. Smart?

Sounds pretty stupid to me:

"Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war? "

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html

Giving him credit for knowing Iraq would be a disaster is like givin somebody credit for knowing the sky is blue. I don't care who he endorses, becuase his opinion is valueless to me. He sees the world as a chessboard and the people in it as pawns.

[BeyondGeography]

35. Zbigniew Brzezinski Called the Iraq War a Historic, Strategic and Moral Calamity

SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITEE TESTIMONY -- ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI
February 1, 2007

Mr. Chairman:

Your hearings come at a critical juncture in the U.S. war of choice in Iraq, and I commend you and Senator Lugar for scheduling them.

It is time for the White House to come to terms with two central realities:

1. The war in Iraq is a historic, strategic, and moral calamity. Undertaken under false assumptions, it is undermining America's global legitimacy. Its collateral civilian casualties as well as some abuses are tarnishing America's moral credentials. Driven by Manichean impulses and imperial hubris, it is intensifying regional instability.

2. Only a political strategy that is historically relevant rather than reminiscent of colonial tutelage can provide the needed framework for a tolerable resolution of both the war in Iraq and the intensifying regional tensions.

http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/258/52

[jackbourassa]

36. Why do Clinton supporters have to attack every person who endorses...

...Obama?

How really small and petty. Brzezinski is someone who is held in high regard. Can't you just allow Obama to enjoy his endorsement. How many of Hillary's endorsers have Obama folk attacked? I can't think of many. Yet you find it necessary to attack a STRONG Democrat, why? Because he endorsed Barrack Obama.

Brzezinski, someone who is held in high regard in the international affairs community, just said that he believed that Obama has a better understanding of America's geo-political situation. He believed that Obama understood where America needs to go. It's his opinion that Hillary doesn't.

Let Obama enjoy this. This is a good thing.

[flpoljunkie]

37. Hillary Clinton would have loved to have received Brzezinski's endorsement.

I welcome his endorsement. He's been right on Iraq--just like Obama.

[killbotfactory]

38. So is he supposed to be a bad guy because he didn't support Clinton?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

41. He is supposed to be a bad guy because of what Obama fans say about DLC Democrats nt

[killbotfactory]

44. You sure like to throw "DLC" around

Where do Brzezinski and the DLC agree on foreign policy? It certainly isn't the Iraq war.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

49. See post #7. He has always been a conservative Democrat. He was DLC before the DLC was formed

The notion that simply because someone disagrees with the DLC on the Iraq war they somehow magically transform into an ultra-progressive as they put the IWR slipper on is very flawed, and the netroots may be setting itself up for a very rude awakening because of that.

[killbotfactory]

55. Post #7 has no content

You're a joke.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

56. You don't know anything about a guy whose endorsement you are beaming about?

Talk about a joke...

[killbotfactory]

58. You called him DLC

I asked for some evidence or proof that his views coincide with the DLC.

I look up in the thread earlier, and you base calling him DLC on Biden calling him a smart guy. That's ridiculous.

Now, do you care to back it up your claims that he is DLC?

[dionysus]

46. you slunk from the gutter into the sewer just then, btw

i smell the sulphur

[dionysus]

47. the flop sweat of another DLC broken dream... sleep tight

in those underoos. loosen up the chewbacca suit my child

[Colobo]

48. wyld, had Clinton got the endorsement, you wouldn't be talking all this shit.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

57. WW is exposing yet another goalpost being moved by the Obama wing of the netroots

Now Brezinski-type policies and thinking is great, so long as it comes out the mouth of someone who endorsed Obama. If someone else advocates the same things they will still be assailed by Obama Nation. Obama's immunity applies only to those who endorse him, or policies he specifically endorses, such as corporate America's 2005 "tort reform" or liquid coal which would destroy the environment and has been denounced by Al Gore and RFK Jr.