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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:24 PM Original message |
Nelson: "I will lead the delegates to Denver whether or not the DNC plans to let them in." |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. Road Trip! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:31 PM Original message |
Heh heh...marching on Denver to the beat of a drum. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
2. Flordia has over 200 delegates - that's 10% of the delegates necessary to be the nominee. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Don't ask me, I am now an ex-Floridian. I have officially had it with them. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. They still will have all of them - right after the nominee is determined. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Powerful Florida....big tough guy. |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
63. "right after the nominee is determined" |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 04:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
106. Electoral votes? What are you talking about? |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:02 AM Response to Reply #106 |
121. DU Law #5: Never let not knowing what you're talking about |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
62. Cya! |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'll help with the gas Senator Nelson. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Marching along with noble Bill Nelson. Left right left right. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. I damn sure will! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:37 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Good for you. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. that is great |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I like Bill.... I really truly do... he does some good things |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Bill is a very nice guy. He is leading the charge against the DNC |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. As another Floridian, I'm with you Bill |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Thats been my point all along. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You march with him, you hear? Left right . |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:46 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Oh, so that is what you think this is. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. How would your vote NOT have meant something on February 5th? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. One slight correction. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Let's get this straight. The vote was 100% to move it up. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:07 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Does not matter who voted how. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. It does matter. Florida dems voted 100% to move the primary |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Karen Thurmond was on tv earlier |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:33 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Karen is spinning. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. Unlike the last two elections |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
56. Yep. They all signed on. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. And I read at Kos that all of the FL congressional caucus have signed Nelson's letter |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
49. The party controls the delegate selection process - only the state |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. This isn't the general election, influence is not by the number of delegates. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Each of those states have something in common |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
71. I don't buy that argument, never have. |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #71 |
99. so cut all the "unserious" candidates out and cut them out early |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #71 |
102. I guess there is no reason for us to argue, then. February 5th is basically |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Unlike Iowa, which generally does |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Florida was in early Feb. already. They moved for the sake of power. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Absolutely. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
53. Because the LAST thing we want is a lower-tier candidate from a small |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
72. If we'd had a national primary in 2004, Dean probably would have won. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #72 |
104. With only $40 million in the bank Dean could not have afforded a national primary |
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demommom (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
129. because: |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. The only influence Iowa has is over who Iowans caucus for - |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:46 AM Response to Reply #51 |
73. fine, then go last if that's the only influence you have. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #73 |
103. I know that if a large state like Florida with 210 delegates, or California with 441 delegates |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. So, on one hand you say Iowa doesn't have any influence, then |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:10 AM Response to Reply #109 |
122. If you already know the answer then there is no reason for me to tell you n/t |
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demommom (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:29 PM Response to Reply #103 |
130. ..and we all know how that worked out last time,huh? |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
65. Candidates drop out after Iowa & NH ... |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
105. They shouldn't and they don't. |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #105 |
108. In 2004 Dean, Clark & Edwards were all out of the race before Florida got to vote. |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #108 |
116. Could Dean, Clark, and Edwards have fared any better? |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #116 |
117. There's no telling ... but that's the whole point. |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Because IA/NH has historically given legitimacy to campiagns... |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. If they shouldn't then let's have a national primary. |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #110 |
120. How many television stations are in Florida? |
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demommom (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:35 PM Response to Reply #105 |
131. Debi |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #65 |
115. I'm sorry...who makes them quit? |
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Hobarticus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
114. Because they said so! |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. But isn't that exactly what he's doing? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
18. If Florida had not moved out of February...they would all their delegates. |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
22. Please stop this nonsense |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I hope you are not referring to me...but to Florida. |
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MissWaverly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 08:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Yes, I am referring to them, sorry |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
27. Question mad. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. To give a voice to candidates who don't have so much money. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. He's making a drastic mistake. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:51 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Dean did not make the mistake. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Oh, well that changes everything... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. It's really not about Dean....it is about the people in the party having a say. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Seems to all about Dean and the DNC to some people. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. It's not about Dean. It's about threats and power. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 08:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Sometimes it takes threats to make changes. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Do you support Nelson's threat to sue Howard Dean and the DNC? |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Yes, and that's what I told them. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:40 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Did you see what Bill Nelson told a peace group about Gonzales? |
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JAbuchan08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
100. Seems to me that you are the one focused on Dean, |
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Mojorabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. I canceled you out LOL |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
75. That's okay, because, unlike the primaries, your vote doens't count less because it was later. |
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Birthmark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 07:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. I don't see how... |
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demommom (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
133. PUBLIC FINANCING!! |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #39 |
134. "If we're stripped of a single delegate ..." |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #34 |
127. Missouri is a better representative of the nation as a whole. |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. That would be really funny if all of Hillary's state's were barred from |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:19 AM Response to Reply #28 |
64. About as funny as when the DNC is barred from those states. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:41 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. How would the DNC be barred? |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Tampering with the electoral process is a criminal offense. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:13 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. But how does one bar the DNC? |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. "How is the committee not allowed into a state?" |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. The Electors vote for the candidates who were selected by the Parties |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. "The candidates are chosen at the conventions." |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Ok, you win. I quit. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Good fight. |
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demommom (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #67 |
132. REALLY?? |
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Dj13Francis (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
40. They were warned about this! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You make some good points. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
48. Nelson compared Gonzales to a rattlesnake....but he trusts that office now?? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 12:05 AM Response to Original message |
58. All of the Florida delegation have now signed the letter to punish Dean and DNC |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
59. Interesting..looks like Dean won't be at the Rules committee meeting |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
60. The eventual nominee will welcome all FL delegates to the Convention |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
61. Bill Nelson never fights for anything we asked him to fight for ...so true! |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
74. Why doesn't Florida just follow the rules? Let's see, Florida DUers, |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Why do the rules favor some states over others? |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. maybe because the DNC and it's leader never listen. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 01:28 AM Response to Reply #79 |
119. Well, Harold Ford is next in line. Maybe he will listen. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
81. Big Bill, put your lawsuit where your mouth is. |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 12:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Next thing you know women will want the vote. (nm) |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. We can't have women voting! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Anarchy is always best. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
85. QUESTIONS: |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Florida Dems and Republicans did it together. 100% vote. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:42 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. The reason I ask: |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Dems were in on it, too. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
86. If this somehow benefits Obama, I'm fine with it. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. but by saying "if this somehow" |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I really have no idea of how all this will play out. |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:24 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. lol.. .you're fast n/t |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. It's Saturday afternoon. I got nothing else to do. :) |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. same here... gotta cook soon though... n/t |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Great! Am I invited to dinner? :) |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 06:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. I actually had fam come over and it got delayed |
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lpbk2713 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
90. Thanks for the info. |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
98. "I will lead the delegates to Denver..." |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:06 AM Response to Reply #98 |
113. I just saw your picture. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
101. Florida Democrats DID go along happily...page from the party website. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
111. Isn't Debbie Hillary's poodle? I think there is something more to this underneath. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Since all of the congress people from Florida signed the letter finally... |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #111 |
124. This one really baffles me. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #124 |
126. When you co-chair a campaign and get orders from Nelson... |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
123. Florida is being stupid |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:49 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Thank you |
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demommom (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
128. Not surprising,the Hillary camp also supported NY in their move. |
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