Bill O'Reilly vs Jeremy Glick, Feb. 4, 2003 RE: Brzezinski

[wyldwolf]

I remember it will. Mr. Glick's father died in the World Trade Center on 9/11 and he appeared on the Bill O'Reilly show in the most shameful interview I'd ever seen.

As Glick debated O'Reilly on American culpability for 9/11, O'Reilly grew more and more hostile, telling him to SHUT UP... SHUT UP.

O'REILLY: See, I'm more angry about it than you are!

GLICK: So what about George Bush?

O'REILLY: What about George Bush? He had nothing to do with it.

GLICK: The director -- senior as director of the CIA.

O'REILLY: He had nothing to do with it.

GLICK: So the people that trained a hundred thousand Mujahadeen who were...

O'REILLY: Man, I hope your mom isn't watching this.

GLICK: Well, I hope she is.

O'REILLY: I hope your mother is not watching this because you -- that's it. I'm not going to say anymore.

GLICK: OK.

O'REILLY: In respect for your father...

GLICK: On September 14, do you want to know what I'm doing?

O'REILLY: Shut up. Shut up.

On DU, other Democratic message forums, blogs, and various other stops on the progressive blogosphere the video and transcript was talked about for days. People condemned O'Reilly for his behavior and the American government for arming and training the Mujahadeen - that eventually became Al Queda - who eventually killed 2000 Americans on 9/11.

Many put that squarely at the feet of the Reagan Bush administration. But that isn't where all the blame should go:

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

http://www.proxsa.org/resources/9-11/Brzezinski-980115-interview.htm

Today, Zbigniew Brzezinski expresed great admiration for Barack Obama's foreign policy judgement. Some on DU are applauding.

[jaysunb]

1. There are things I said and did 28 years ago

that I've since learned were wrong. I don't know how old you are, but it could be there will come a day that you'll discover some of your previous views and decisions were wrong.
Then comes the BIG challenge...will you admit them and change your ways ??????

[wyldwolf]

2. has Brzezinski recanted? Should we forgive Reagan and Bush, too?

[dionysus]

3. at long last, oh shill oh scoundrel.... have you no shame?

[wyldwolf]

4. more of tha "progressive" attacking we're used to. Refute much?

[dionysus]

5. have fun dissing liberals on a liberal board....

sweating under your Chewbacca suit much?

[MessiahRp]

8. He does this quite regularly.

He attacks liberals and progressives and purposely posts things to point the blame on Democrats (as he has here). Then when they get mad, which when you are insulted and blamed for things you had nothing to do with you inevitably do, he mocks the entire progressive movement.

Frankly, I don't know how the guy has survived this long with the amount of flamewars he has started just to get a rise out of the large majority of this board that consider themselves, "progressives" or "liberals".

Rp

[dionysus]

6. underoos too tight ?

[Colobo]

7. wyld, you are very cool, but your attacks are very pathetic.

You need to bring your game up a notch. This is not effective.

[BeyondGeography]

9. Smearing Zbig? You're having a bad day

Got your butt kicked on the last anti-Zbig thread so you start this one.

For those with an open mind on the issue, who can forget Brzezinski running circles around Richard Perle and the neo-cons on Newshour and other venues prior to the war? He was one of the few voices of sanity is a very dark time. And, oh, by the way, he was right about the impending collapse of the Soviet Union before any of the Cold War-crazed Reaganites would admit it.

Training the Mujahadeen was the appropriate step at the time; failure to do so would have invited the soft-on-Communism meme that plagued Democrats in the post-Vietnam era. Not Zbig's fault that the problem of Bin Laden was allowed to fester as it did for decades after he was out of power.

You're way out of line on this one.

[Pirate Smile]

10. Wyldwolf, this is getting a little sad. You're becoming what you've always railed against.