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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 06:32 PM
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but James, the Democrats just keep funding him
Edited on Fri Aug-24-07 06:34 PM by welshTerrier2
In his book Nemesis, Johnson makes the point that war puts the nation at risk because it provides too much power to the President.

source: Nemesis by Chalmers Johnson (p. 18)

The classic state of this threat was by the chief author of the Constitution, James Madison:

Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors and emoluments is multiiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manner and of morals, endgendered in both. No nation can preseserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare ... War is in fact the true nurse of executive aggrandizement. In war, a physical force is to be created; and it is the executive will, which is to direct it. In war, the public treasuries are to be unlocked; and it is the executirive hand which is to dispense them. In war, the honors and emoluments of office are to be multiplied; and it is the executive patronage under which they are to be enjoyed; and it is the execurive brow they are to encircle. The strongest passions and most dangerous weaknesses of the human breast; ambition, avarice, vanity, the honorable or venal love of fame, are all in conspiracy against the desire and duty of peace.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 06:41 PM
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1. “Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic.”
She's present in our country right now, just waiting to make her - to carry out her divine mission


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/27/1454229

CHALMERS JOHNSON: Nemesis was the ancient Greek goddess of revenge, the punisher of hubris and arrogance in human beings. You may recall she is the one that led Narcissus to the pond and showed him his reflection, and he dove in and drowned. I chose the title, because it seems to me that she's present in our country right now, just waiting to make her -- to carry out her divine mission.

By the subtitle, I really do mean it. This is not just hype to sell books -- “The Last Days of the American Republic.” I’m here concerned with a very real, concrete problem in political analysis, namely that the political system of the United States today, history tells us, is one of the most unstable combinations there is -- that is, domestic democracy and foreign empire -- that the choices are stark. A nation can be one or the other, a democracy or an imperialist, but it can't be both. If it sticks to imperialism, it will, like the old Roman Republic, on which so much of our system was modeled, like the old Roman Republic, it will lose its democracy to a domestic dictatorship.

I’ve spent some time in the book talking about an alternative, namely that of the British Empire after World War II, in which it made the decision, not perfectly executed by any manner of means, but nonetheless made the decision to give up its empire in order to keep its democracy. It became apparent to the British quite late in the game that they could keep the jewel in their crown, India, only at the expense of administrative massacres, of which they had carried them out often in India. In the wake of the war against Nazism, which had just ended, it became, I think, obvious to the British that in order to retain their empire, they would have to become a tyranny, and they, therefore, I believe, properly chose, admirably chose to give up their empire.

As I say, they didn't do it perfectly. There were tremendous atavistic fallbacks in the 1950s in the Anglo, French, Israeli attack on Egypt; in the repression of the Kikuyu -- savage repression, really -- in Kenya; and then, of course, the most obvious and weird atavism of them all, Tony Blair and his enthusiasm for renewed British imperialism in Iraq. But nonetheless, it seems to me that the history of Britain is clear that it gave up its empire in order to remain a democracy. I believe this is something we should be discussing very hard in the United States.


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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 06:44 PM
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2. They are forever locked in the "support the troops" meme --
Edited on Fri Aug-24-07 06:57 PM by AtomicKitten
and are unwilling to change the paradigm to do what Dennis Kucinich has done - refused to vote for funding the war. While I admire the purity of that strategy, the problem with it is there are many Americans on both side of the aisle that vehemently disapprove of this strategy. This makes Dennis appealing to the left side of the aisle and at the same time seals his fate of being crushed in the general, and would not expedite departure because the shell game Junior can play with the Pentagon budget.

I favor impeachment as the means to the end - ending the war. It is insane to consider just running out the clock on this regime a "strategy."

John Kerry: "We are asking Americans to think about that because how do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 08:10 PM
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3. K % R'ed n/t
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 08:30 PM
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4. Outstanding Madison Quote
Gotta go back and read my founding fathers :)

He's absolutely correct. Because it inspires fear and horror, war is the enemy of liberty---and enough war over time and you won't have any liberty remaining. But some men fantasize about a world without liberty--they long for command and authoritarian control.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:09 PM
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5. K&R nt
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