Two General Election Maps with Hillary beating both Giuliani and Romney

[Herman Munster]

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=938

Clinton 335 Giuliani 203



Clinton 430 Romney 108

[IndianaGreen]

1. In the fictional world of Saint Hillary, she can beat Mother Theresa.

In the real world, Hillary can't even summon a majority of Democratic voters. Her tenuous plurality won't hold as other candidates drop out and the anti-Hillary forces rally around one candidate to knock her off her throne.

[journalist3072]

2. If she supposedly can't even get a majority of Democratic voters, then why is she doing so well

in the polls againt the other Dems who are running?

Sounds ike YOU'RE the one living in a fictional world. Hillary's lead against her Democratic opponents keeps expanding...yet you claim she can't get a plurality of Dem voters on her side.

[IndianaGreen]

3. Prior to the Gulf War, the Pentagon ran war simulations in which Iraq won

They were simulations, and Iraq's "forces" were led by Americans.

The Gulf War was a decisive defeat for Iraq, and it liberated Kuwait.

The fact is that not a single vote has been cast, and that in all the many polls that have been run, Hillary has yet to reach a majority of all Democratic voters (51% for you). Hillary only has a plurality which is mostly based on the Clinton name and nostalgia.

[Robbins]

5. Hillary

I don't support her for the nomination but I have to cede I was apparently wrong on her Electabilty.Against Guiliana she Is only losing one Blue state she stands to take the 2 Gore States
Kerry Lost(Iowa and New Mexico) but stands to win Ohio,Florida,Arkansas,West Virginia,Virginia,and
Kentucky(Bill CLinton never won Virginia) possibly take my home state of Missouri,and If Romney Is
the nominee(which could happen Romney could win Iowa and New Hampshire) could carry Alambama.Even If
Republicans succede with the vote spliting In California this may not help them keep the white house.A lot of voters want to return the country to before Bush,and Bush and the war In Iraq Is a
neuse around the Republicans.

[wyldwolf]

9. hey, IndianaGreen, I realize real world politics is lost on you, so I'll explain it briefly

Political parties have primaries where a number of candidates vie to win their party's nomination. Each of these candidates have, traditionally, had their share of supporters.

The candidate with the MOST support (at this point Hillary Clinton) usually goes on to win the primaries.

Polling has indicated that Hillary Clinton is the overwhelming SECOND choice of Democratic voters. That means as other candidates drop out, Clinton gets the lion's share of their support.

And one more thing...

:rofl:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

13. Clinton and Edwards flip red states; Obama doesn't

Speaking of fictional worlds...(I am not talking about you, a DK supporter, here btw). Many say we should nominate someone who flips zero red states over people who do flip red states because he is magically more electable because if we win most of the Kerry states from 2004, lose the key swing states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and Florida as well as California, New York, and even Massachusetts (to Ghouliani) we will win. Have "hope"! :crazy:

[TheFarseer]

4. Hillary can't win Mississippi!

Even if Osama bin Laden was running against her and Jesus was her VP.

[ccpup]

6. mississippi?

President Clinton lost Mississippi to both Bush One and Dole and STILL was a two-term President. I don't think Osama or Jesus was involved in either race, though.

[TheFarseer]

7. I'm just saying the map is flawed

If it has Hillary winning MS, you wonder what else it's being overly-optimistic about.

[Herman Munster]

10. against romney

i think you'll be surprised at the level of her support in the deep south Hillary will have. Mormons are concerned a cult, kind of like David Koresh and the branch dividians in the deep south. A lot of born-again christian types will simply be disgusted with their choices and stay home and if obama is on the ticket with her the black vote will just go up like crazy. It is certainly plausible for Hillary to win Mississippi if Romney is the candidate.

[TheFarseer]

11. Then I'll be cheering for Romney

to see how this theory works out in practice.

[cobalt1999]

8. Until they actually start campaigning against the republicans,

any projection is just a guess.

Right now, both sides are campaigning internally. How the final Republican and Democratic nominees do against each other is, at this stage, just a wild guess.

[PBass]

12. The GOP doesn't have a candidate that can win.

None of the GOP candidates will rally the base enough to bring out the numbers needed to win. And voting "against" the other side's candidate is not a winning formula, either. The GOP is screwed.

Romney: New England background, way too slick, flip flopper on big issues, Mormon
Giuliani: Big city East Coast Mayor, liberal on guns gays and abortion. Wants to expand the war in the Mid East. Cross-dresser (!!!) Adulterer.
Thompson: Empty suit. Career lobbyist. Hollywood actor, philanderer. Lazy, disorganized. Losing the nomination while he stalls. Looks ill in photos. Old.

It doesn't matter who the Democrats run, the GOP cannot unite the Crazy Christian Fundamentalist and traditional cloth-coat factions of their party, the way Bush did in 2000 and 2004. That alliance has been damaged.

Hillary Clinton can definitely win, without a doubt:
-The Democratic base is still way more energized than the Republican base.
-Bush will still be in office in November 08, and US forces will still be in Iraq without a clear mission
-She's not nearly as "unlikable" as the pundits claim
- Quote: "Hillary only has a plurality which is mostly based on the Clinton name and nostalgia." (since when is "name and nostalgia" a negative for electability???)

Bill Clinton was twice as popular as Bush is now, even during the Monica scandal. A lot of that good will is going to carry over.

I'm not sure who I'll vote for in the primary. But all the leading candidates on the Dem side have a shot at winning, and even a couple of the second tier Dems could win IMO (Richardson and Dodd could also win in 08)