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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:44 PM Original message |
Obama: "Until there's justice in Cuba, there's no justice anywhere," will keep embargo |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. And why would we keep an embargo on Cuba?? |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. so that cubans in the US (citizen or not) will vote for republicans nt |
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jmp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
2. Is that the sweet sound of triangulation I hear? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Bingo! In fact, Obama is a better triangulator than H. Clinton |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. He's much more like Bill than she is. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. You May Be Right |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Slightly to the left on Cuba, to the right of her on health care |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. And Just What Is Mrs. Clinton's Healthcare Plan? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. She will unveil a UNIVERSAL health plan next month |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. So You Don't Know What Her Plan Is? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Clinton has vowed that it will be universal |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Any Plan That Is Not Medicare-For-All Is Unacceptable |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. In fantasyland. That can't even make it out of subcommittee |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Then We Are Doomed |
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TeamJordan23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Hillary cheerleader DMC omits Hillary's take on the Cuba embargo. nm |
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Clintonista2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
71. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Obama supposed to be the "candidate of change"? |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 05:56 AM Response to Reply #35 |
98. There is no way she will |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. deleted dupe |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Cuba and Israel-- two places you just don't fuck around with if... |
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Scriptor Ignotus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 08:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
75. probably true |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:15 PM Response to Reply #4 |
78. What more than Israel requires change/new policy??? !!!! |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
6. Ve vill impose our will upon you |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. You're the United States of America, beacon of liberty to the world |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. sarcasm? |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 08:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I edited the post a little but no, not really. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. would you define liberty for me? |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
42. Speaking about liberty does not equal imposing its will. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
53. Obama said he wouldn't lift the trade embargo/ Cuba must open to demoratic change. |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Stop using weasel words like "engage". Speak clear English, please. |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 05:51 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. It's far more than just an embargo. It has exterritorial features which other countries view as |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 06:24 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You know what? I knew all that already. And it wasn't the point. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. My liberty is bigger than America, so I will go to Cuba |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
81. Not really |
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jeff30997 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
12. In that case... |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Good point. Don't expect Obama to come out against most favored nation status for China |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 11:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
65. Let's re-word Obama's quote, just for comic relief.... |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
13. we trade with cuba.... |
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MasonJar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
17. Is Obama presuming that there is freedom here? It is getting less |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. Hear, hear, MasonJar! nt |
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MatrixEscape (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
20. Gee, well what about justice here? |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. well said |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
21. It looks like Edwards has the same proposal as Obama: |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Yes, but Edwards was not hyped as having a "new approach" to Cuba and foreign affairs in general |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Obama was first, he got the attention and then Edwards followed. |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Did Edwards say money is our best ambassador? I don't think he did. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Lifting the embargo would be the best policy, which means |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Is Edwards being hyped as having a "new approach" to Cuba? |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. Edwards is hyped as the health care expert .. and yet |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. When was he hyped as a health care expert? nt |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:21 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I thought it was satire at first |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Kind of shocking for someone to say after they watched "Sicko" |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. As if the candidates write a dissertation on every issue |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I can't think of a single other candidate |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I can think of some candidates who weren't experts on the details of issues |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You do realize he's running for President of the United States? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Later |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
24. "Liberty" and "money" - wretch |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. And I really wish that Edwards had shown good judgment |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. can you address the concerns of my post? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. Yes, I'd be happy to. |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. excuse me, all you did was dismiss my post as 'opinion' |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. There's nothing wrong with what Obama said. |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 05:54 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. putting aside your judgement of Edwards statements |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
93. does he want to lift the embargo, and does Castro's death have any impact to Obama? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
39. Inflammatory AND not true -- Obama plans to EASE embargo -- |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 07:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
74. dear AK |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
79. go Ricky ... |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. thanks. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I am always available for a fix .. ;) |
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LBJDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 10:22 PM Response to Original message |
44. He's absolutely right |
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alteredstate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
52. I'll ask again.... |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #52 |
62. I have a theory to offer, fwiw |
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alteredstate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. You're probably right. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
54. You expect a mainstream candidate to be against the embargo? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Of course not. I just don't buy the myth that he represents real change on Cuba nt |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. He presents a change from Bush's current policy |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. A minor change that means little. Hardly the "new way of thinking" advertised nt |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Obama's change is not a minor change. It is a major change. He is not the one who is |
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donsu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
61. does Obama want justice for Haiti too? |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. If he did, he'd help reinstate the Haitian people's President, Jean-Bertrand Aristide, whom |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
67. Like there's so much fucking justice |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
87. Tell me about it |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
69. He's triangulating... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
76. Island economies need to be treated differently than large nations |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
77. This is really a shame . . . we should have overturned the embargo decades ago --- |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. Right here |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 09:47 PM Response to Reply #83 |
100. Kucinich wins again!!! |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
80. Another reason I'm glad Obama won't be getting the nomination |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
85. There's only ONE candidate who's right about Cuba |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
86. In other words, he said a big mouthful of nothing? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Um, in other words, the OP is full of beans. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:23 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Is he? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 10:49 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. well I proffered contradictory information |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I'm looking at the dates, is all |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. dayum |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. I've been to Cuba |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 05:38 AM Response to Reply #90 |
97. The Cuban "exiles" appeared to imagine Cubans would be glad to see them |
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More Than A Feeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:45 PM Response to Original message |
88. The audacity of the same ol' same ol'. nt |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-26-07 09:51 PM Response to Original message |
91. I understand why he's saying this. |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-27-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
99. The Panderer |
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