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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:45 PM
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Who is this Tom Coburn who would feature prominently in the "new kind of politics"?
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 11:58 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
Some highlights:

Thomas Allen "Tom" Coburn, M.D. (born March 14, 1948) is a medical doctor and a Republican U.S. Senator from Oklahoma.

Political career

Coburn was considered one of the "true believers" in the Republican freshman class of 1995, and was one of the most conservative members of the House. He supported reducing the size of the federal budget and opposed abortion and supported the proposed V-chip legislation.

==While he served in the House, he earned a reputation as a maverick due to his frequent battles with House Speaker Newt Gingrich. Most of these stand-offs stemmed from his belief that the Republican caucus was moving toward the political left and away from the more conservative "Contract With America" policy proposals that had placed the Republicans into power in Congress in 1994 for the first time in 40 years. Specifically, Coburn was concerned that the Contract's term limits had not been implemented, and that the Republicans were continuing the excessive federal spending (also called pork barrel spending) that they had so vigorously opposed when the Democrats were in the majority.==

==Coburn endorsed conservative activist and former diplomat Alan Keyes in the 2000 Republican presidential primaries, although he supported George W. Bush after the nomination was sewn up.==

Read that again

==Coburn endorsed conservative activist and former diplomat Alan Keyes in the 2000 Republican presidential primaries, although he supported George W. Bush after the nomination was sewn up.==

==Coburn's Senate voting record is as conservative as his House record. He received a perfect 100% rating from the American Conservative Union for the year 2005.==

Political Positions

Abortion

==In 2000, Coburn sponsored a bill to prevent the Food and Drug Administration from developing, testing or approving the abortifacient RU-486. On July 13, the bill failed in the House of Representatives by a vote of 182 to 187.<7> On the issue, Coburn sparked controversy with his remark about feticidal gynecologists "I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life."<8> Coburn also objects to legal abortion in cases of rape, and he has justified his position by noting that his great-grandmother was raped by a sheriff.<9> In the U.S. Senate confirmation hearings concerning Samuel Alito, Coburn asserted that his grandmother was a product of that rape.==

==Genetic Discrimination and HIV Prevention

In 1997, Coburn introduced a bill called the HIV Prevention Act of 1997, which would have amended the Social Security Act. The bill would have mandated HIV testing in some situations, would have allowed physicians to demand an HIV test before providing medical care, and would have allowed insurance companies to demand an HIV test as a condition of issuing health insurance.<14>==

==Block of Rachel Carson commemoration

On May 23, 2007, Coburn threatened to block two bills honoring the 100th birthday of Rachel Carson. Coburn called Carson's work "junk science", proclaiming that Silent Spring, "was the catalyst in the deadly worldwide stigmatization against insecticides, especially DDT."==

Controversies

==Homosexuality

According to The American Prospect, during Coburn's 2004 senatorial campaign, he quoted a local resident that in the town of Coalgate, Oklahoma, "Lesbianism is so rampant in some of the schools in Southeast Oklahoma that they'll only let one girl go to the bathroom. Now think about it."<28> School officials have denied his statement.<29> Coburn has also been quoted as saying:

"The gay community has infiltrated the very centers of power in every area across this country, and they wield extreme power... That agenda is the greatest threat to our freedom that we face today. Why do you think we see the rationalization for abortion and multiple sexual partners? That's a gay agenda."<30>==

He was caught on tape saying the lesbianism in schools comment by a Democratic staffer of his rival Brad Carson.

==Schindler's List television broadcast

As a congressman in 1997, Coburn protested NBC's plan to air the R-rated Academy Award-winning Holocaust drama Schindler's List during prime time. Coburn stated that, in airing the movie without editing it for television, TV had been taken "to an all-time low, with full-frontal nudity, violence and profanity." He also said the TV broadcast should outrage parents and decent-minded individuals everywhere. Coburn described the airing of Schindler's List on television as "...irresponsible sexual behavior...I cringe when I realize that there were children all across this nation watching this program."

Since the film deals mainly with the Holocaust, many people showed disgust with this statement, including a number of fellow Republican Congressmen who criticized Coburn in their speeches. Coburn apologized after heavy criticisms "to all those I have offended" and clarified that he agreed with the movie being aired on television, but insisted it should have been on later in the evening. In apologizing, Coburn said that at that time of the evening there are still large numbers of children watching without parental supervision, and stated that he stood by his message of protecting children from violence, but had expressed it poorly. He also said, "my intentions were good, but I've obviously made an error in judgment in how I've gone about saying what I wanted to say."

He later wrote in his book Breach of Trust that he considered this one of the biggest mistakes in his life and that, while he still feels the material was unsuitable for an 8 p.m. television broadcast, he handled the situation poorly.==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Coburn#Early_life_and_career

More information on this nut can be found at http://www.google.com/search?q=Tom+Coburn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:48 PM
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1. Recap (Cliff Notes version of the OP)
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 11:50 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
1) Doctor
2) Foot soldier in the 1994 GOP revolution
3) Thought Newt, Tom Delay and co. were not conservative enough
4) Endorsed Alan Keyes in 2000 because Bush and McCain were not right-wing enough
5) Called for death penalty for abortion doctors
6) Thinks LGBT people are the biggest threat to America
7) Thinks global warming is "crap" (not in the OP but a key fact)
8) Denounced Schindler's List as smut
9) Thinks breast implants make women healther (not in the OP, Google is your friend)
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:51 PM
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2. Edwards's "friends"
His co-sponsors in writing the IWR. I'm sure if you look closely, you'll find some left-wingers.

Strom Thurmond
Zell Miller
Jesse Helms
John McCain
Mitch McConnell
Jim Bunning

A practical who's who of left wing Senators.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:52 PM
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4. Feel free to start a thread on how a Prez Edwards would cave to those people, even the dead ones nt
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 11:53 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:57 PM
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9. Helms
Elizabeth Edwards said that John reminded her a lot of Jesse Helms, in that people knew where they stood.

I guess it's okay that we knew exactly where Helms stood on a wide variety of social issues.

Helms on gays - "Helms was particularly viotriolic when speaking of gays and lesbians, blaming them for "the proliferation of AIDS," and stating that he disliked using the word "gay" to refer to them since, "...there's nothing gay about them."

Helms opposed MLK day cause he claimed King had two pinko associates.

At least we knew where Helms stood when he supported Pinochet in Argentina.

And Helms' last doozy: "All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction." <5>"
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:45 AM
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14. That's ugly. eom
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:52 PM
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3. Not everyone has to hate their political opponents.
I realize some find it to be the mark of a lower form of life form but, I don't think there's anything new about respecting a fellow citizen. I think that's a very old value.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:54 PM
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5. How about Coburn respecting abortion doctors, and LGBT people?
Why must we always be the ones bending over in the "new kind of politics"?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:55 PM
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6. Self-deleted
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 11:56 PM by Kagemusha
I realize I can't reply to "bending over" without it seeming personal so I'll just move on.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:57 PM
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7. You want to try caving in to people like Coburn so they may approve of and "unite" with us?
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 11:57 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
No thanks...
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:09 AM
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10. Actually I don't give two puppies about Tom Coburn
But when people act allergic to the whole idea of politeness, I step back and ask myself what the hell is going on. I'm a practical man, and that means using politeness where it is useful to advance a worthwhile agenda. To reject practicality in favor of self-destructive spite is to make what the British call an own goal, kicking the soccer ball in your own net.

Put another way, Coburn's ideas may suck, but rejecting out of hand the using of him to accomplish a legitimate goal is simply wasteful. Not that I have any idea what positive role he could play. I have no clue. But biting his head off won't do any Senator any good here. Obama, or Hillary.

Or, maybe you don't really care as long as the rhetorical issue reflects poorly on Obama. Your life.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:06 AM
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16. So this all goes back to "Obama bashing" does it?
Really, before today I had not seen this trait from Obama supporters, the fact that every criticism of him gets the person discussing it onto the firing line.

Also.

Who said anybody should "bite off Coburn's head"? Nobody even hinted that anybody should be less than polite. Obama singled the man out as the kind of Republican he wants to work with. That is Obama's problem, not mine.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:03 AM
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18. Sorry, I have to respectfully decline this line of debate.
I hope you understand, but I can't get beyond "this trait from Obama supporters" and "every criticism of him" without explaining why I have a problem with this particular poster and his habits, and THAT would not be civil. And I respect the message board here too much to do that. I have to respectfully refuse.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:00 PM
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24. As mentioned in other threads
Tom Coburn's stance on gays and lesbians completely invalidates everything else.

A bigot is a bigot is a bigot.

You don't publicly laud bigots, even if it's concerning an unrelated position on FCC licensing or world trade.

You. Don't. Publicly. Give. Props. To. Bigots.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 11:57 PM
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8. Sorry, I don't need to 'work with' bigoted anti-woman hmophobic monsters,
You don't need to "hate" him but I don't want the new President consulting him in progressive issues either.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:19 AM
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11. Coburn voted against funding the Iraq War.
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 12:28 AM by jefferson_dem
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00181

EDIT: deleted snarky comment that was totally unnecessary...and "flame bait" material.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:25 AM
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12. edit: He voted against it because of extra spending. See post 13
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 12:33 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
It is amusing--and telling of what the "new kind of politics" would have in store for us--to see Obama supporters suddenly defending Coburn, the biggest nut in the senate.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:29 AM
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13. Yes, he really opposes the war!
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 12:31 AM by draft_mario_cuomo
As I suspected he voted against that bill on fiscal grounds. You, on the other hand, went to bat for the right-winger before looking at his actual position. This is what the "new kind of politics" will bring us?

Coburn on why he voted against the last funding bill

==Dr. Coburn Says War Supplemental Bill Shows Congress’ Unwillingness to Sacrifice

May 25, 2007

(WASHINGTON, D.C.) – U.S. Senator Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK) released the following statement after voting against the 2007 emergency supplemental spending bill, which added $17 billion in new spending that had nothing to do with the war.

“I believe it is immoral for Congress to use our troops as political cover for new spending that has nothing to do with our military needs,”
Dr. Coburn said. “Members of Congress are expecting everyone in America to sacrifice but us. We are asking our soldiers to risk their lives every day in defense of our freedom. By borrowing money to pay for special interest projects and other unrelated items in this bill, we are asking the next generation to sacrifice. When will it be our turn to sacrifice? When will it be time for members of Congress to say no to special interest constituencies and our own short-term desire to get re-elected?”

“I’m also disappointed President Bush surrendered to Congress’ insatiable desire to spend money we don’t have. By backing down to Congress’ big spenders, he sent a message that for the next two years the White House will not be a last line of defense against reckless spending," Dr. Coburn said.==

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=LatestNews.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=c33c5039-802a-23ad-4c51-afc432f4b66a&Issue_id=

Coburn on the war

The Constitution gives the federal government no greater role than the defense of the American people. I strongly support a vigorous national defense that leaves our Armed Forces with the strongest capability possible to protect our nation against threats to our national security.

I am deeply proud of our men and women in uniform who are currently serving around the world to protect our freedom. They and their families deserve our thanks and admiration for all they have sacrificed in service of our country. As a member of the U.S. Senate, I intend to do everything in my power to ensure they have everything they need to complete their mission.

It is vitally important for us, when considering Iraq and the War on Terror, to remember who we are fighting and what is at stake. We have an obligation to future generations of Americans that we achieve victory in the War on Terror. The terrorists we are confronting today in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere would be on our doorstep if we retreat. It is better to confront and disrupt terrorists in far away lands rather than allowing them to once again launch attacks on us in our own cities.

Overall, the debate over troop levels in Iraq is not what matters — victory is what matters. I believe now is the time for us to look within ourselves and ask “Do we want to win?”
If our goal is simply to get our troops home and not to win the war, then we should bring them home today, not over a long period of time. We will be doing our troops a great dishonor if our objective is to leave Iraq yet we leave them in harm’s way. Let’s bring them home today if we do not intend to defeat this evil.

If we are committed to making the world safe from terrorism in the future, then packing up and leaving Iraq because we are unsatisfied today with our progress would be an unwise move. Al-Qaeda and other radical Islamic terrorists in Iraq will certainly seek to seize control of all or parts of Iraq at the first sign of American retreat. This would allow al-Qaeda to re-establish a base of operations in Iraq to plot terrorist attacks, replace their terrorist training camps we destroyed in Afghanistan and fund their nefarious activities through one of the world’s largest oil supplies.

We must recognize our troops have eliminated two evil regimes that threatened international security. We cannot forget our soldiers have killed or arrested approximately 55,000 terrorists and insurgents. Almost every one of those 55,000 would have committed horrific acts of terrorism against innocent Americans if they had been given the chance.

We must remain mindful these individuals are determined to see our annihilation, and that their blustering and threatening must be taken seriously, not dismissed and pushed aside. It is clear leaving them alone will not appease them, as they have attacked us repeatedly. We ignore these threats at our own peril.

From the beginning, I have been concerned with the cost of the War in Iraq, and I do not believe the war should be funded through “emergency” supplemental appropriation bills. These appropriation bills are intended for unexpected costs, such as the immediate aftermath of the September 11 attacks. However, a war that has been ongoing since 2003 is no longer unexpected and should be added into the president’s budget request.

Until this change is made, each supplemental — totaling hundreds of billions of dollars to date — is added directly onto our national debt. American families are forced to prioritize their spending decisions when resources are limited, but Congress believes it does not have to make the same tough choices. Instead, Congress opts to “pull out the credit card” and borrow the money for Iraq.

Each year the federal government loses an estimated $200 billion to waste, fraud and duplication. This money could have paid for the Iraq War for an entire year and, at the same time, helped pay down our deficit. Instead, Congress neglected its responsibility to perform oversight and has refused to correct the practices that led to the wasting of your hard-earned tax dollars.

The ability of America to defend itself in the future will depend on how well we can keep our fiscal house in order at home. As long as America’s fiscal position is weakened, our enemies will be emboldened and the federal government in turn will not have the resources essential to the defense of the homeland. We must bring fiscal sanity to Congress in part so our nation can maintain the strongest national defense possible.

Click here to read an article from Frederick W. Kagan of the American Enterprise Institue on Iraq and the War on Terror. Kagan writes, "Al Qaeda does not think Iraq is a distraction from their war against us. Al Qaeda believes Iraq is the central front--and it is.

http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=a8206ed0-81e3-4f99-9814-7113bfe8bbb1&CFID=11319395&CFTOKEN=37658137
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:38 AM
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19. You really are an angry sort nowadays.
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 07:39 AM by jefferson_dem
Your suggestion that I "went to bat" for anything without understanding the issue is total bs. I am well aware of Coburn's position on the War and why he voted against funding. In fact, if you dig back through the DU archives, you'll see I was here on this very board on May 24 when the vote came down, typing how Coburn was one of three Republican Sens to oppose it, and likely did so for fiscal reasons more than opposition to the War per se.

Whatever the case, I pointed out that he voted against funding, which is true. He was one of only 14 Sens to do so. His "no" vote counted as much as did Hillary's and Obama's. Your "stuff" above doesn't change that.
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Taylor Mason Powell Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:02 AM
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15. Tom Coburn is a complete raving lunatic
And this has been obvious for years. What the hell was Obama thinking?! He might as well have said Dick Cheney.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:28 AM
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17. Here is where Coburn and Obama have worked together
Senate Passes Coburn-Obama Bill to Create Internet Database of Federal Spending
http://obama.senate.gov/press/060908-senate_passes_c/

Obama, Coburn Amendment to Require Competitively Bid Katrina Contracts
http://obama.senate.gov/press/060615-obama_coburn_am/

Here's an article about this issue:

"We're fighting a war, we have the largest natural disaster ever in our country and we have a structural deficit," says Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., explaining why he reached out to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to co-write a bill requiring an accounting czar for hurricane relief spending. "We're in a time when we need everybody's help."

Another Katrina-spawned couple -- liberal Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Sen. Judd Gregg, a Republican budget hawk from New Hampshire -- introduced legislation last week to create a Gulf Coast Recovery and Disaster Preparedness Agency.vp

The unlikely partnerships illustrate a point often lost about Washington's political battles: Despite -- or perhaps because of -- a series of elections that have underscored how closely and deeply the nation is split along political lines, some of the most passionate advocates on either side of that divide find ways to work together.


http://obama.senate.gov/news/051014-strange_allianc/

What a horrible bastard, that Obama. :eyes:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:42 AM
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20. LOL! What a right-wing tool, Obama is...
Seriously, thanks for bring the relevant facts to the discussion.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 06:05 PM
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32. Wow, he really has an ability to achieve consensus on major issues!
Where's the beef on "unity"?
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returnable Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:50 AM
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21. And Hillary is pals with Sam Brownback and drinks with...
...McCain, Collins, and Graham.

Guess you'll have some harsh words for her, too?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:51 AM
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22. The Senate is collegial, it's not hard to understand
For example, if Edwards and Coburn had sat simultaneously, instead of sequentially, on the Judiciary Committee, probably both would have voted to confirm John Roberts to the federal courts of appeals in 2003. They would have found some common ground on that nominee since Edwards voted for Roberts in 2003 and Coburn voted for Roberts in 2005. Edwards and Coburn agree on the fate of Alberto Gonzales. Finding common ground is the only way to get anywhere at all in government. Not that I would say the Roberts votes was getting anywhere good, mind you.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:00 AM
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23. Who said Coburn is going to "feature prominently" in the "new kind of politics"?
Where did you get this? Could you post the link to any statements regarding Coburn being "featured prominently" in anyone's politics?

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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 04:22 PM
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25. The original poster said it.
And that's the only authority you're gonna find, because when I read the line used by the article this is based on, the only words used were, Obama would 'reach out to' Coburn, who has become a friend of Obama's in his time in the Senate.

And if anyone wants to spit on Obama for the latter, all I can say is, that's everyone's personal choice.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 04:38 PM
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26. Not a question of anyone spitting on Obama
it's a question of Obama spitting on gays and lesbians.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:14 PM
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27. Do you seriously believe that?
...Fine. I have no enthusiasm for debating the point. None.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:18 PM
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28. Take a gander at this:
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:49 PM
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30. Who is the champion of gay rights?
Besides Gravel and Kucinich, all the candidates oppose marriage rights for gays. Edwards even says that his blessed religion makes him uncomfortable with the issue.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 06:10 PM
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33. This isn't comparative analysis
This is just a lot of people's gut reaction to these particular remarks made by Obama.

I have no great animus towards Obama - I will vote for him if he's the nominee.

But his remarks were profoundly offensive and stupid.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:38 PM
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29. So the original poster's words are misleading?
What a crock.
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:56 PM
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31. dmc? Misleading?
You could have knocked me over with a feather.

Next you will tell me Bush mislead us into Iraq.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 06:18 PM
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34. Well, not misled
Everybody knew he was going to war. Especially those who sat on the Intelligence Committee and co-sponsored the authorization with Joe Lieberman after NOT reading the National Intelligence Estimate. Let's see, how many of those were there? Oh, yeah, only one, only ONE Senator on the Intelligence Committee who did not read the National Intelligence Estimate on the war resolution he was co-sponsoring. Yeah, let's make that guy our president.
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alteredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 06:38 PM
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35. LOL! n't
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