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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:08 PM
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The 18 Percent Congress
By David Swanson

If you were a member of Congress, wouldn't you behave completely differently from how most members of Congress behave? I mean, if you had not gone through the process required to become a congress member, but just suddenly became one tomorrow, wouldn't you behave as though you had an ounce of decency? Wouldn't you take your responsibility at least as seriously as your power and your ego? Wouldn't you at a bare minimum seek to represent the wishes of the majority of your constituents, the way you were taught in elementary school a representative is supposed to represent? I have to assume you would, as I assume I would, as I assume a majority of Americans would.

If I were a member of Congress, I would be constantly polling my constituents to find out their views of an issue. And if I felt passionately that they were wrong, I would seek to persuade them. If I could not persuade them, I would vote their view rather than my own. My own view would be suspect in my own mind, not that of a majority of my constituents living outside the Beltway and its influences. And if my constituents' views were too unpopular with moneyed interests to bring in the funds needed to reelect me, then I just wouldn't be reelected. But, of course, all of us with that attitude will never be elected in the first place.

There are people (18 percent of the country) who approve of Congress right now. That's a smaller percentage than believe in UFOs. I'm not going to try to explain it. The other 82 percent are of more interest. Some of them simply oppose anything run by Democrats. Some of them are fed up with the Democrats' refusal to stand up to the Republicans. Some blame the Republicans even though they're the minority. Others find little of any use in either party, but are passionate about the growing gulf between Congress and the people it supposedly represents.

Congressman Jerrold Nadler recently told some of his constituents that he knows that a majority of them want Bush and Cheney impeached, but that he doesn't think they've thought it through, that they would come to regret it and blame him for it if he acted on their demands. But if we don't have a public that is capable of thinking things through, then we have a bigger problem on our hands than even a criminal president and vice president. Nadler would seem to have given up on the idea of a democracy, not in Iraq but here in the United States. If he has an argument for why impeachment is a bad idea, he should make it publicly. Then he should poll his constituents. If he hasn't changed their mind, then he should act on their wishes. I guarantee they would not blame him for doing so.

Of course, the problem is not that Nadler has no faith in his constituents. It's that he's not being honest with them. If House Speaker Nancy Pelosi were pushing for impeachment, Nadler would be making it happen. The loyalty of congress members is not to their constituents, but first and foremost to their Party, its leaders, and its incumbents.

This past spring I did some part-time consulting for Kucinich for President. But, outside of that work, I was also urging good candidates to challenge bad Democratic congress members in primaries. As a result, I had to quit the Kucinich campaign. There is no greater sin than challenging incumbents. This is the upside-down understanding of democracy we've developed. I would have thought that the more candidates a party had, the healthier it was. It turns out that suggesting such a thing constitutes a "conflict of interest." I kid you not. That's what the Cleveland Plain Dealer accused me of having. If I'd had a part-time job as a corporate lobbyist, I could have worked for another campaign or even been a candidate. Wanting to use our democracy rather than lose it was taboo.

This is especially curious, because Democratic propagandists have been arguing lately that the failures of the current Congress cannot be blamed on the party leadership and must be laid at the feet of the Republicans who have been assisted by the Blue Dog Democrats. Democrats who actually believe the Blue Dogs are blocking them should want to see them challenged in primaries.

The Nation magazine's Katha Pollitt this week urged Cindy Sheehan not to run as an Independent against Pelosi. Pollitt was quickly put in her place by angry readers and apologized – sort of. She wrote that she would support challenges to Blue Dogs in districts where a progressive was understood to have a chance of winning, but would not support challengers who had no real chance. But incumbents have overwhelming advantages everywhere, and if a progressive can't win in San Francisco, where can she? And if Sheehan loses, won't she have put a bit of life into California's 8th District politics? Won't she have involved more citizens in their democracy? What possible downside could there be to that?

The downside is, of course, the ever-present ghost of Ralph Nader for President 2000. I suppose I should be grateful that the Cleveland Plain Dealer has no idea I backed Nader back then. I just read an autobiographical book by a writer I greatly admire, Norman Solomon, and he faults himself for having supported Nader in 2000. I would have thought blaming Nader for Bush was a media creation Solomon could see through. Nader was one of several candidates in Florida who each won enough votes to give Bush his stolen "victory." Many more Florida Democrats voted for Bush than for Nader. Most Nader supporters would have stayed home had he not been on the ballot. And despite running a lousy campaign that promised very little, Gore-Lieberman won the election. Had they won by a bit more, it is likely Bush still would have stolen it.

Of course, likely isn't a certainty. And of course, Bush and Cheney have been the biggest disaster this country has have ever faced. But there is also a tremendous danger, first in focusing for two years on the next election rather than on impeachment and legislative change here and now, and secondly in settling for an acceptable military-industrial candidate, in learning to tell people NOT to run for office. Solomon, like many other progressives, is looking hopefully at John Edwards. Others have apparently decided to hold their noses and jump into the corporate candidate pool with both feet:

John Grisham, the author of endless bestselling legal thrillers, many focusing – as does his one work of nonfiction – on the demands of justice, is planning to host a fundraiser in my town next month for Senator Hillary Clinton. Perhaps Clinton is, after all, the appropriate next step in our decline and fall: an elected official who displays no concern for what citizens of the country think or even for what she herself pretended to think last week. She'd make a great Grisham character, but I'm afraid he may never write that book. He may instead run for office himself, having established that he can do the only thing needed: raise money.
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:23 PM
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1. Seems that the opposite of PROgress is CONgress.
If I figure out what gress is, I'll let you know.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:32 PM
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2. gress=to go; its of Indo-European origin
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 01:32 PM by HereSince1628
Congress=to go together !!BIPARTISANSHIP!! Not.
Progress=to go forward
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:30 PM
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17. Thanks. eom
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:54 PM
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7. Certainly applies here. GREAT line, emlev!
"Seems that the opposite of PROgress is CONgress."

A keeper, for sure!

:thumbsup:
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:30 PM
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18. Thanks. I'm fond of it, myself. eom
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TheOtherMaven Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:39 PM
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3. Quoth John Adams
"I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is a disgrace, two useless men are a law firm, and three or more become a Congress. And by God I have had this Congress!" -- John Adams, "1776" (the musical)

These lines are adapted from things that John Adams actually said, in writing. Cantankerous, but all too apt even today.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:47 PM
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4. Good Points....many of us who might not have agreed with you at one time
might be having a change of heart after the FISA Reauthorization where the road ahead was made clear.

Thanks.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:49 PM
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5. IBTL
Love you, David! As usual, you nail it and you do it very well!!

:yourock:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:48 PM
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6. I would have thought that...
...supporting Nader in 2000 was a media creation you could have seen through.

No, we're not ever going to get over it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:37 PM
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8. Quite a few DUers supported Nader in 2000
Surprised you don't realize that.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:39 PM
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9. I do realize it.
Doesn't make it right.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:54 PM
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11. So let's fight about it and divide ouselves into factions!!
Forget the war, forget the corruption in DC, forget the 46 million Americans without health care. Digging at each other is so much more productive!!

:sarcasm:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:54 PM
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16. I'm not fighting about it..
...I'm just not forgetting it. Those dividing Dems into factions are the same ones who divided us before. Karl loves that.
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Seattleman Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:49 PM
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10. It is about Iraq
The American people voted for the Dems so that they could have the majority and use their authority to change course in Iraq.

But.......

What they found out is that something is very wrong in DC and that the real agenda is supported by Insiders in both parties.

Years before the last election, I predicted that this would be the result of a new Democratic Congress.

In order to understand who really pulls the strings in DC, you have to dig below the surface.
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democratsin08 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 04:02 PM
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13. both parties
lets be honest. special interests and lobbyists control both parties and every pres candidate with the exceptions of gravel and paul.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 04:34 PM
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14. Excuse me?!?
click the pic, help DU and America.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:55 PM
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12. O those liberal-bashin' liberals!
See my post, "Bush Fares Worse In Polls Than Congressional Democrats, Despite MSM Spin":
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3479133
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 04:37 PM
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15. This quote is the perfect summation;
"an elected official who displays no concern for what citizens of the country think or even for what she herself pretended to think last week."

:kick: & R


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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 08:26 PM
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19. and tell me what is wrong with believing in UFOs?
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 08:29 PM by antifaschits
I've had close friends, one in the military, a prof. pilot for Japan Air, and even a sheriff's police dude- friends all, have seen them.

on edit, Mr. Obama, Mr. Edwards, and other are great in their own ways. They represent what congress could or has done, and the fall of the current leadership is even more obvious.



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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 12:22 AM
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20. Democrats who voted for Bush don't call themselves progressives.
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 12:45 AM by mzmolly
Those voters are still fighting the Civil War in Florida and are DINO's in every election.

Many more Florida Democrats voted for Bush than for Nader.

See my point above

Most Nader supporters would have stayed home had he not been on the ballot.

That's not what polls indicate. Polls indicate that 2/3 of Nader supporters would have "plugged their sensitive noses" and voted for Al Gore = had Nader kept his "safe state" promise. If Nader had been honest, it would have prevented the current fiasco, death, destruction, impeachment movement, Cindy Sheehan campaign, dismantling of the constitution etc...

And despite running a lousy campaign that promised very little, Gore-Lieberman won the election.

WTF did Nader's campaign promise? Nader PROMISED a platform based on Global Responsibility, do YOU consider helping Bush steal an election, responsible? Nader promised not to run in swing states, do you consider Florida a swing state? Nader promised to "punish the Democrats." Have "Democrats" been sufficiently "punished?" Or does punishing Democrats have far reaching consequences?

For those unclear about what Gore promised here is the campaign platform:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Gore_presidential_campaign,_2000

Had they won by a bit more, it is likely Bush still would have stolen it.

Sorry, that's a crock. Bush "won" by 500 votes, Nader got 98,000. 2/3 of the Nader vote would have gone to Gore (again, according to polls.) The state of Florida, and thus the nation, would have been safely OURS. The SCOTUS would never have had an opportunity to deliberate on a recount. You and I would never have "met" and Democratic Underground would not exist.

I am so tired of the so called "progressives" who helped Bush get elected continually making excuses for their short sighted ignorance. The same people disrupt here regularly in order to insinuate that somehow Democrats really DO equal Republicans.

Pathetic.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:44 AM
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22. When I hear the argument, “Its Nader’s fault, that Bush got close enough to steel the election”.
I am a little perplexed because it seems as if there’s a notion that steeling an election is less of a crime than a third party running for the position.

Let me put it this way, it seems as thou the Supreme Court has decriminalized and sanctioned with precedent, steeling elections. Am I supposed to believe that the Supreme Court could have done this all without the support of the outgoing President and or the Congress? Are we now just supposed to live with the fact that an illegal crime was committed against we the people, and our Constitution by our collective government as a whole, and the only option we the people have is to blame it on a third party?

I mean like WTF, can it be said any clearer or do we need to think that it is a more complicated than what it really is? If election fraud was not committed in 2000, Al Gore would have been president.

If Bill Clinton who was still the President of the United States and Al Gore who was still the Vice President of the United States and all the Democrats and maybe even a few honest Republicans (if there is such a thing), who were still members of the Congress of the United States. If all these elected officials who proclaimed that they cared for and worked for we the people, stood up and defended the Constitution and said, “Hell no we will not stand for this, we will not allow this fraud in our democracy, not now not ever…, Al Gore would have been President of the United States.

Maybe some one can tell me ware in the Constitution that says, four Supreme Court justices constitute a Monarchy that trumps both the Presidency and the Congress, because that’s what some people wish I would believe, and the same people want me to forget about the worst fraud in the history of the United States, and put the blame ware no crime was committed, at the feet of Ralph Nader.

Talk about Pathetic, why don’t you try writing about and flaming on criminals instead of people who exercise their constitutional rights.



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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:57 AM
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23. Stealing the election was criminal no matter what useful idiot assisted
in ensuring the mess we have today.

"Hell no we will not stand for this, we will not allow this fraud in our democracy, not now not ever…, Al Gore would have been President of the United States."

Hate to break it to you, but it took quite sometime to uncover the fraud.

As for constitutional rights, does the term "free speech" ring a bell? I'm exercising mine on a Democratic discussion board.
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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 01:50 PM
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24. Hate to break it to ya back…
Isn’t the purpose of the recount to prevent, if possible, the crime of fraud in an election in the first place? Or am I too believe that recounts should only be used in fair elections?

I don’t want to take your statement out of context, but are the election steeling useful idiot criminals that you are referring too, the sitting politicians who collectively failed in their constitutional duty to preserve and protect the constitution and voters rights, or are you referring to those who committed no crime and exercised their constitutional rights to vote for some one who had a constitutional right to be a candidate?

Undoubtedly if the sitting politicians in 2000 were adhering to the constitution we would not be in the mess we are in today. Additionally if politicians were adhering too the will of the people there mite not be any third parties in the first place. Bet ya never thought of that!

Free speech gives every one the right to give their opinion, be it a naïve or objective, the latter is most definitely progressive.


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 04:09 PM
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26. Hate to mention that the recount effort was stopped by the SCOTUS.
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 05:03 PM by mzmolly
I don’t want to take your statement out of context, but are the election steeling useful idiot criminals that you are referring too, the sitting politicians who collectively failed in their constitutional duty to preserve and protect the constitution and voters rights, ...

I'm referring to the Bush cabal and Nader. It though that was quite clear.

are you referring to those who committed no crime and exercised their constitutional rights to vote for some one who had a constitutional right to be a candidate?

Obviously Nader had a constitutional right to mislead his supporters and run in Florida (a swing state) and fools had a right to vote for him. And, I have a constitutional right to point out the hypocrisy of such actions and to speak about what a lying egomaniac idiot Nader is.

Undoubtedly if the sitting politicians in 2000 were adhering to the constitution we would not be in the mess we are in today. Additionally if politicians were adhering too the will of the people there mite not be any third parties in the first place. Bet ya never thought of that!

Uhm, what specifically are you talking about here?

Free speech gives every one the right to give their opinion, be it a naïve or objective, the latter is most definitely progressive.'

It's not objective to liken Gore to Bush, Democrats to Republicans, it's either a lie, ignorance or both. I believe it's both.



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Larry Ogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 05:20 PM
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27. Like I said earlier
Maybe some one can tell me ware in the Constitution that it says, four Supreme Court justices constitute a Monarchy that trumps both the Presidency and the Congress, because that’s what some people wish I would believe.

Remember when a few lonely congress persons did their duty and raised their objection to the Supreme Court ruling before the President of the Senate Al Gore? And Gore told them they need the signature of at least one Senator of which they did not have. Why not, am I supposed to believe that it would have been an unconstitutional or a criminal act for the POTUS, VPOTUS, and Congress and the senate too stand together and tell the Supreme Court ware to go, and let the recount continue? Remember the Supreme Court said, “We need to stop the recount because it would be detrimental to Gorge Bush”.

Questioning you opinion is not denying your right to free speech.

With out a doubt, if the politicians in office in 2000 were adhering to following the constitution we would not be in the mess we are in today. Additionally if politicians were adhering listening too the will wants and desires of the people there mite not be any third parties in the first place at all. Bet ya never thought of that!


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 08:01 PM
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30. I'm not sure who "some people" are in your convoluted post?
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 08:45 PM by mzmolly
Remember when a few lonely congress persons did their duty and raised their objection to the Supreme Court ruling before the President of the Senate Al Gore? And Gore told them they need the signature of at least one Senator of which they did not have. Why not

Because it was unprecedented and several members of Congress who signed on, (not just a few). However, they did not attempt to get such a signature from the Senate. What happened was unprecedented and I not all the t's were properly crossed. As I've said, without Nader, a congressional attempt to save the country would not have been necessary.

I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Constitution, but the SCOTUS was part of the design. We have three branches of government as per the constitution.

Nader helped Bush steal the election in 2000 and he attempted to do so again in 2004, which is why he got money from Swift Boat Vets and other Republican donors once AGAIN. As I've stated previously, the SCOTUS would not have heard the case were it not for Nader helping Bush with election theft.

Progressive is as progressive does, and Nader's record is not progressive.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 12:49 AM
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21. It's hard work sucking that bad.
You don't just get that way by accident.It takes years upon years of consistent suckitude to reach this level.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 01:58 PM
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25. Don't the individual numbers break down differently?
Pelosi's numbers are higher than Bush's iirc.

And if you ask about Dems in Congress vs Republicans in Congree, aren't there different numbers still?
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:33 PM
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28. wheres the internal data for this so called poll? n/t
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 07:13 PM
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29. So called poll?
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