This will surely help Obama's electability with the key 50+ demographic...

[draft_mario_cuomo]

=="Everybody knows a lot of 50, 60 and 70-year-olds that don't have good judgment, because they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again," Obama added.==

==NO MORE Mr Nice Guy. With less than five months to go before Democrats choose their candidate for next year's Presidential elections, Senator Barack Obama is learning that it's time for the gloves to come off if he is to have a realistic chance of toppling and defeating his party's frontrunner for the nomination, Hillary Clinton.==

==Last week, on prime-time TV, Obama took a swipe at his fellow senator's age and judgment, hinting that at 59 - he is 46 - she belonged to a different era with different values to younger Americans.==

==The Obama campaign believed that Clinton's lead would be reduced once the freshman Illinois senator became better known. But that has not happened. Even though Obama has raised more money than Clinton, he has not been able to eat into her support.==

http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1356352007

Obviously he does not mean every 50+ year old has poor judgment. That doesn't matter. Imagine if he said "Everybody knows crippled people who don't have good judgment" or "Everybody knows Indian people who don't have good judgment" or "Everybody knows Baptists who don't have good judgment." If he said all those things they would be bad enough but what he actually said is worse because it promotes the canard that older people are senile and inferior to younger people.

[Dawgs]

1. Dude, get a life.

[Clintonista2]

4. Is that the level of debate the Obama crowd are engaging in nowadays?

"Get a life" is certainly better debate than the half-truths and smears I've heard from most Obama supporters.

[KittyWampus]

13. How about "get some integrity and post the ENTIRE QUOTE". Not just the truncated version

in an attempt to create a false impression.

"I do think that, increasingly, what Americans are looking for is not Washington experience, but do you have life experience that is gonna lead you to make good decisions, and are you in touch with what's happening on the ground?" he told the show's host, Jon Stewart.

"Everybody knows a lot of 50, 60 and 70-year-olds that don't have good judgment, because they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again," Obama added.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

16. And that changes what about the offensiveness of the quote? nt

[KittyWampus]

24. Offensive? What's offensive? He said it on the Jon Stewart program. About Experience

and how SOME older, more experienced people make horrible choices.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

27. You can't see what is offensive about using an anti-elderly stereotype??????????

:wtf:

[KittyWampus]

31. how is pointing out that Age?Experience doesn't necessarily mean wisdom an

anti-ederly sterotype?

Answer- it doesn't.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

33. "50, 60 and 70-year-olds"=age nt

[KittyWampus]

38. so now you have cut the quote down even more to torture his words to mean what YOU want

rather than what he obcviously meant?

BTW, the Daily Show aired days ago.

The fact that no one complained since then shows how idiotic this attempt it.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

42. I cut it down in light of post 31 in which you asked how it was about age

You are smoking some serious "new kind of politics" stuff if you think the Republicans will not use this quote if Obama makes it to the general election...

[Tellurian]

134. ...

:dem:

[youngdem]

18. How is that any better? An offensive, sloppy analogy?

Face it. Obama sticks his foot in his mouth enough to constitute an appreciable portion of his diet.

He's not ready. He keeps on proving it over and over again.

Too bad too, because I don't look forward to swallowing my vomit and voting for Hillary, but that is where this thing is headed.

[KittyWampus]

26. That's not sticking 'foot in mouth' that's making an accurate assement. Age/Experience

doesn't necessarily lead to wise decisions.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

29. No one is saying he is too young. Why did he bring age into it?

He could have simply said something about people with 20 years of experience rather than make an ageist comment.

[KittyWampus]

35. why are YOU bringing the bogus charge of 'ageism' up when it obviously doesn't apply?

[venable]

94. he didn't say 'age doesn't lead to wise decisions', he said it makes you stupid, basically

and that when you are over 46, you keep making the same mistakes over and over, like some kind of mentally challenged person in need of spoon feeding. that's the image that will be received.

there is a certain gift that some people have, ie to know how words fall upon the ears of the listener.

Telling people in NH that arugula costs a lot at Whole Foods is not an example of this gift. Nor is the quotation referenced in the OP.

Admit it. He ain't god. he may be a fine guy, and someone with a bright and important future, but he is not, at this point, all that many make him out to be. Methinks the man needs a dose of humility. Actually, all the candidates do, including Obama.

[emilyg]

65. I'd like to give Obama a smack on his head

How dare he

[illinoisprogressive]

2. too bad your guy isn't very electable.

[illinoisprogressive]

3. John and Elizabeth must feel ashamed of your so called promoting them

[ElizabethDC]

11. What about your so-called promotion of Barack? n/t

[durrrty libby]

48. The shameful part is Obama talking like an idiot

[Alamom]

5. Thanks for posting. I read this earlier today and thought I had misread....

"Everybody knows a lot of 50, 60 and 70-year-olds that don't have good judgment, because they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again," Obama added.



This along with the (earlier) Baby-Boomer Bash is more than troublesome.......

I'm not sure how I feel about it. I think this makes me angry. This is arrogance and at the least, extreme disrepect for the people who have been working and supporting this country since before he was born.........

Do we have a candidate running who not only thinks over 50's are basically useless, but may very well not represent us if he were elected?


Does he know how many voters are in this age group?


edsp

[KittyWampus]

14. Once again, it's pathetic that any DU'er would try so hard using an incomplete quote

and taken totally out of context.

[DURHAM D]

6. Obama is an ageist.

He has shown it repeatedly. He doesn't get called on it.

Suppose John Edwards was a racist - would everyone ignore that like they have ignored Obama's problem.


Edit - There is a lot more out there. Eventually a reporter will do a story about his problem/anger with his parents and people of that generation.

[Alamom]

8. Hopefully someone will call him on it. eom

[KittyWampus]

15. Actually, reading Obama's entire quote in context shows you are grasping at straws

Why?

Why the desperate need?

[DURHAM D]

21. Like I said - there is a lot more out there.

His problem with early boomers and up will come back to bite his "uniting" ass.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

25. The quote in context changes nothing about the offensive nature of his comment

Take off the rose-colored glasses...

[draft_mario_cuomo]

23. He is the only candidate skipping the AARP's forum in Iowa too nt

[TSIAS]

34. Provide context

Obama decided to attend the 9 or so DNC sanctioned debates. I don't think this is a swipe at the elderly.

Anyways, I don't want anything to do with the Republican organization known as the AARP. Send them my thanks for going along with the GOP's Medicare "Reform" Plan.

[DURHAM D]

37. The first thing I thought of when I read that he was not attending-

He is afraid to face that demographic. He should be. They aren't stupid and they sure aren't buying the can't we all just get along crap since they know he is trying to start a new generational war between the over 55 crowd and the rest of the population.

[TSIAS]

40. But the AARP is smart

I'm glad they brought us the progressive reforms of Bush's Medicare "Reform".

[Alamom]

44. AARP is not a presidential candidate. OBAMA is. eom

[emilyg]

68. Agree. We're too smart for him.

[illinoisprogressive]

7. though people support or don't candidates, I wonder about your motivation. Skin maybe.

I don't feel that is a fair to most who don't like obama. however you rage towards him makes me concider it.

[emilyg]

107. Silly post. With all the venom you posted about Sen. Clinton -

should I assume you hate whites?

[KittyWampus]

9. care to provide the REST of that first quote? It could be alluding to 60 yr olds like Cheney

[draft_mario_cuomo]

19. Read the article. Besides, your hypothetical does not change the offensiveness of the remark

What if Clinton made a racist comment based on an anti-black canard but was referring to Colin Powell? Would that change the nature of her comment?

[MaineDem]

10. Thank you, I hadn't seen that

As a 50-something I appreciate knowing this.

Disclaimer: I'm still deciding. I have no candidate yet.

[KittyWampus]

17. Did you see the rest of the quote? Or note he was on Jon Stewart? Talking about experience

in general?

"I do think that, increasingly, what Americans are looking for is not Washington experience, but do you have life experience that is gonna lead you to make good decisions, and are you in touch with what's happening on the ground?" he told the show's host, Jon Stewart.

"Everybody knows a lot of 50, 60 and 70-year-olds that don't have good judgment, because they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again," Obama added.

[TSIAS]

20. Why the hell does this matter?

AFAIK, his only point is that people throughout the age spectrum make bad decisions. Obama surely wasn't saying that people under 50 were perfect and those seniors were awful.

Thank god Donald Rumsfeld, at his advanced age, is making better decisions than he did during his youth.

[Pirate Smile]

12. Hmmm. I don't remember anyone on DU posting because they took his

comment as a slam on people over 50. I watched it and it was clear what he was saying but nice try in attempting to turn it into something nasty.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

22. What was he "really" saying? The remark seems clear-cut. Can you see the campaign ads now?

I notice Obama fans like to hide behind the "it was out of context!" card but never bother to provide the "real" context...

[KittyWampus]

28. I provided both full quote AND context (the Daily Show) and the topic he was speaking about

makes total sense.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

32. Yeah, and that changes nothing about the offensiveness of his remark

You sound like those people who dismissed Trent Lott's comment simply because he said it at a birthday party for Strom.

[Nedsdag]

30. Oh, come on!

It's not like he said he's better than Jesus or something. I agree that we need to turn the page on the so-called "baby boom" generation. After all, wasn't it Bill Clinton that helped to turn back the World War II generation?

Besides, this is another attempt by dmc to smear Obama while failing to prop up his favorite candidate John Edwards.

If I were Mario Cuomo, I'd be ashamed to have someone like you spurt such vile writings while naming yourself after him.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

36. Thanks for providing the ageist point of view on this

==I agree that we need to turn the page on the so-called "baby boom" generation.==

Yeah, screw the elderly! Plus, we can win without them! :crazy:

[TSIAS]

39. Time marches on

Someday my time will be over as well.

Is it "ageist" to point out that eras do come and go in a civilization?

It's not like the elderly don't get any attention in Presidential elections. They vote, so candidates pander for their support. I don't blame them for ignoring young folks like me, who in general don't vote.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

43. What percentage of the electorate is over 50 years old? Obama just made himself an even weaker GE...

...candidate. He can get away with such gaffes in the primaries, since Clinton does not view him as a threat right now and Edwards is focused on Clinton, but he definitely will not be able to get away with it in the GE. You can bet the farm this will be used against him if he is the nominee.

[Nedsdag]

98. I have a senior citizen parent.

Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm putting you on ignore.

[jefferson_dem]

108. It's sad but the poster doesn't care. He's been relegated to a cheap-shot smear merchant that

all the Hillaryphiles have glommed onto because they think it suits their political interests. I feel sorry for him.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

124. More personal attacks for someone who desires a "new kind of politics"

Speaking of Hillary fans, notice how they react to criticism of HRC? Compare that to how BO fans react...

[BenDavid]

41. Just sat here watching the

Little League World Series as JawJuh won with a lead off home-run in the bottom of the 8th. What has this got to do with the post. Well, if Obama were a baseball player then I would describe him as a "hotdog".... All talk, no action......

I do thank you
Ben David

[MasonJar]

45. I am sorry, but I find that quote offensive. I am in that category so

I think my opinion should count. It appears that by the election Obama himself will be in the category himself. I like Obama but this kind of out of line statement is NOT going to get him votes.

[Totally Committed]

46. I can tell you one thing: I am in the age demographic you mention...

and, frankly, I'm more upset with HIS judgement. If he doesn't stop trying to hook us up with his Republican friends and all that other cumbaya bipartisan bullsh*t, I'm going to cross him off my list of "possibles" for once and for all. He's disappointing the hell out of me lately.

TC

[LWolf]

47. I'll be sure to pass that on to my mom.

She's 68. We've already discussed Obama; she started out, like many Democrats, deeply moved by his eloquent rhetoric, and excited about the idea of a black POTUS. Going over his positions on issues, though, she was, er, disappointed. To say the least.

I'm sure she'll be glad to hear about all those older people who don't have good judgment. I'm betting it will move her judgment of his candidacy further into the "don't go there" dustbin.

[durrrty libby]

49. OBama is obviously inexperienced and shows it at every turn

Thanks once again for pointing out the obvious:thumbsup:

[calteacherguy]

50. What the hell are you talking about? Obama was merely stating the obvious.

He's of a different generation, obviously. Hillary probably does have an advantage because of her age with older folks, and Obama with younger ones. You Clinton supporters sure like to create mud in your minds to throw around.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

51. Yes, and he made an ageist comment toward older people... nt

[calteacherguy]

52. You said that, not Obama.

Please stop making a fool of yourself.

Oh, I see you edited your post...just give it up, dude.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

53. Obama said this

"Everybody knows a lot of 50, 60 and 70-year-olds that don't have good judgment, because they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again," Obama added.

[calteacherguy]

54. That's true. I agree. Do you have a problem with that statement?

There are many 50,60, and 70 year olds who learn from their mistakes, but not everyone does.

Obama, who will be 50 himself in a few years, is making the case that he has a high level of judgment and learns from his experiences.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

55. Yes. To single any group out for such a statement--especially when it promotes a stereotype is wrong

We are the big tent party, not the Republican Party.

==Obama, who will be 50 himself in a few years, is making the case that he has a high level of judgment and learns from his experiences.==

By relying on bigotry and stereotypes for political advantage against his 59 year old rival. This is not new for Obama. Remember the ethnic smear memo he used 2 months ago for political gain?

[calteacherguy]

56. You are making a fool of yourself, dude.

It's not bigotry or stereotypes of any sort. Yes, there are some people who are 50,60, 70 who haven't learned from their mistakes, and I hope he keeps repeating it. It's an important way to counter Hillary's argument. Hillary was making the ludicrous case that she had more experience because of her age. Obama is pointing out that it is Hillary who is bigoted and has stereotypes against the younger generation.

Obama's statement was RIGHT ON!

[draft_mario_cuomo]

57. When did Clinton say she has more experience because she is 13 years older?

Why don't you ask elderly people if that is not a stereotype...

[calteacherguy]

58. She's implied it. All the crap about "I'm the best to handle a terrorist attack," etc.

She's going downhill from here, and I couldn't be happier.

Have a nice day. :-)

[draft_mario_cuomo]

60. She's never played the age card. She's cited her life experiences

Who do you think would be more prepared to handle a terrorist attack? Someone with HRC's experience or someone with 2 years of experience?

[calteacherguy]

61. Someone with Obama's experience and judgment.

I don't know who you were referring to that has "two years experience." You didn't even explain what the experience entailed. In any case, judgment is more important than experience. Clinton proves she has poor judgment when it counted most.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

62. Clearly most people disagree and think 2 years of experience is not enough to be prez nt

[calteacherguy]

63. Again, what are you talking about?

Two years of experience at what? I agree a 2 year old child would not have the experience necessary to be President. Is that what you mean?

[alteredstate]

74. Her experience didn't do her any good when she voted to authorize the Iraq war n/t

[alteredstate]

66. Awww, DMC's sore because John Edwards jumped the shark n/t

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[Clintonista2]

69. Have you ever come into contact with Sandnsea or Zulchzulu?

DMC always presents a reasoned, respectful argument. If that's too much for you to handle, then have fun reading the "Clinton let Osama go" threads by the names mentioned in my subject line.

[zulchzulu]

75. Flagged

Read the rules of DU or find somewhere else.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[durrrty libby]

83. Why don't you "flag" and lecture the post above that one too??? hmmm?

[zulchzulu]

118. Thanks for reminding me...

Ahh...

[Clintonista2]

121. The possibility of you flagging another Obama supporters' post is less likely than

You posting a piece of evidence to back up one of your wacky conspiracy theories. And that's saying alot.

[Clintonista2]

120. do you deny making a "clinton let osama go" topic?

I'm assuming you are denying doing that, otherwise you wouldnt flag my post for pointing out the fact that you DID make that topic. If you are denying this fact, click my link.

[NYCGirl]

64. George W. Bush is 61 years old. Dick Cheney is 66 years old. Donald Rumsfeld

is 75 years old. Paul Wolfowitz, 64 years old. Condi Rice, 53 years old. I rest my case.

[alteredstate]

67. We have a winner!

:)

[Clintonista2]

70. Hehe, typical NYCGirl logic

"George bush is old, George bush is bad, therefore, old people are bad"

You guys still haven't figured out why such statements are not logically sound, have you?

[NYCGirl]

76. Excuse me, but I am AN old person. What part of "age does not make your

judgement more viable" don't you understand?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

88. No one said age makes your judgment better. You missed what was wrong with BO's statement nt

[NYCGirl]

109. I saw the appearance and provided the full transcript below. There is nothing wrong

with the statement.

Jon: Do you feel like you're stuck in a narrative now? And the narrative is, Hillary Clinton is unlikable but knows what she's doing, Obama is inexperienced but brings change, and that narrative, no matter what you do, because it's easily categorized, the media or everyone else will just slip whatever happens into those two narratives?

Obama: That's what's happening right now; they will probably find something new later to talk about. You know, the whole —

Jon: Could you tell us what that will be?

Obama: We don't know yet. Whatever sells papers.

Jon: Whatever sells papers.

Obama: Whatever sells papers.

Jon: Does your campaign — do you find yourself falling into promoting those narratives as well? Is it hard, as a campaigner, to not see yourself then as a product as well and —

Obama: Well, what happened: let's take the example of experience. We try to remind people, nobody had a longer résumé than Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, and that hasn't worked out so well. So what we try to do is break down these narratives and get to the heart of the question. So, when people talk about experience, what they really want to know is, does he have good judgment? And you hope that if somebody has more experience, it gives them better judgment. Of course, everybody knows a lot of 50- and 60- and 70-year-olds that don't have good judgment; they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again. So what we want to do is start talking about judgment, how do we get things done, what's common sense. What's been interesting, for example, on not using nuclear weapons to bomb an al Qaeda camp, for example. Iniitally, everybody said, "Oh, that's a gaffe," and then suddenly reporters started talking to military experts who said, "Well, why would you even consider using nuclear weapons?" Some of the press scratch their head and say, "hmm."

Jon: It turns it around.

Obama: It turns it around. And that's how we have to continually respond, is to just push against the conventional wisdom, push against the habits of thought. It's the same way that we got into Iraq was, nobody is willing to ask tough questions, and there is this —

Jon: And challenged conventional wisdom.

Obama: — and challenged conventional wisdom. That's what we've gotta do.

[Clintonista2]

122. Substitute the words "old people" for 'black people"

and tell me this isn't offensive: "Everybody knows a lot of black people that don't have good judgment, because they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again"

Is it still ok? Why is it ok to make a discriminatory statement about one group, but not another?

[NYCGirl]

123. How is a statement that means "age is no predictor of good judgement"

discriminatory?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

125. Because of what it followed up with. Respond to post 123 nt

[Clintonista2]

133. How is a statement that means "race is no predictor of good judgement"

discriminatory? Do you deny that "Everybody knows a lot of black people that don't have good judgment, because they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again" is racist?

[draft_mario_cuomo]

126. Don't expect an answer. It is too obvious, they won't try to argue that

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[emilyg]

72. You made no case to this senior.

:spank:

[NYCGirl]

77. I'm just the left side of 60 years old myself. I have no problem with Obama's

statement.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

86. Rice was under 50 in 2002 (48 and 49 when the war began)

So your argument is that because some old people did bad things it is open season on criticizing everyone in that demographic? This is what will achieve "unity"?

[jefferson_dem]

111. Of course, that's all Obama was pointing out. Not all who have more years and experience naturally

have better judgment. The OP knows that. He's just hoping nobody else here is smart enough to call him on it.

[zulchzulu]

71. This out-of-context cherrypicked quote blog-blab brought to you by...

...

Desperation



The Cologne that just smells...bad.

[Adelante]

73. I think Obama needs to step carefully around this age business

But you are twisting the living hell out of that statement of his.

[NYCGirl]

79. Here's BTW, is the ENTIRE transcript:

Obama: Well, what happened: let's take the example of experience. We try to remind people, nobody had a longer résumé than Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, and that hasn't worked out so well. So what we try to do is break down these narratives and get to the heart of the question. So, when people talk about experience, what they really want to know is, does he have good judgment? And you hope that if somebody has more experience, it gives them better judgment. Of course, everybody knows a lot of 50- and 60- and 70-year-olds that don't have good judgment; they keep on making the same mistakes over and over again. So what we want to do is start talking about judgment, how do we get things done, what's common sense. What's been interesting, for example, on not using nuclear weapons to bomb an al Qaeda camp, for example. Iniitally, everybody said, "Oh, that's a gaffe," and then suddenly reporters started talking to military experts who said, "Well, why would you even consider using nuclear weapons?" Some of the press scratch their head and say, "hmm."

Jon: It turns it around.

Obama: It turns it around. And that's how we have to continually respond, is to just push against the conventional wisdom, push against the habits of thought. It's the same way that we got into Iraq was, nobody is willing to ask tough questions, and there is this —

Jon: And challenged conventional wisdom.

Obama: — and challenged conventional wisdom. That's what we've gotta do.

http://lincmad.blogspot.com/2007/08/obama-on-daily-show.html

[alteredstate]

80. So have we been misled by the original poster?

That's twice in one day! Perhaps he should do the right thing and delete this thread.

[Darth_Ole]

82. This is such a bunch of bullshit...

Sorry, folks, but not only is this not offensive, this shouldn't even be a priority... Why don't we talk about issues?

Obama never said ALL folks in their 50s, 60s, and 70s have bad judgment. He said we all know certain old people who exercise poor judgment, DESPITE THEIR AGES, and he used this analogy to illustrate that some guys (Cheney, Rumsfeld) have been in Washington for decades and lack the judgment we need in a leader...

By the way, Clinton is in her 50's and in the same interview Obama called her a "smart Senator." Yeah, DMC, I guess that was an obvious swipe at people not in their 50's yet...

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[draft_mario_cuomo]

90. Thanks--that changes nothing about what was wrong about the statement nt

[Adelante]

97. Bless you, my dear

:)

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[TeamJordan23]

85. Mario Cuomo would even find posts like this shameful. nm

[BeyondGeography]

89. Irrational, unfair people shouldn't be allowed to name themselves after rational, fair people

There oughta be a law, I tell ya.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

128. Someone who supports a guy who smeared an entire ethnic group whining about random posts against BO

:rofl: ::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ::rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[alteredstate]

92. If Mario Cuomo read stuff DMC posts here, I'm sure he'd ask DMC to change his username. n/t

[durrrty libby]

101. Oh you know him and what he thinks? Now, I doubt that!

I enjoy DMC very much. Cheers to you DMC:toast:

[draft_mario_cuomo]

129. Thanks. I always liked HRC supporters, even when we clashed

:toast: They don't need to resort to 3rd grade tactics like many Obama supporters here, which says something...

[draft_mario_cuomo]

127. You know what Mario Cuomo thinks about candidates who use bigotry for political gain?

You know, like the candidate you support?

==We need Bill Clinton because he does not believe that the way to win political support is to pit one group against another.

Bill Clinton does not believe in the cynical political arithmetic that says you can add by subtracting, you can multiply by dividing. He rejects that. Instead he will work to make the whole nation stronger, by bringing people together, showing us our commonality, instructing us in cooperation, making us not a collection of competing special interests, but one great, special family -- the family of America. For all these reasons, we must make Bill Clinton the next president of the Unites States of America.==

From his nominating speech at the 1992 convention.

[draft_mario_cuomo]

91. You must be as ignorant as your candidate is about how this statement would play in the GE nt

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[draft_mario_cuomo]

104. What else contributed to that rise? nt

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[draft_mario_cuomo]

103. I will give you a list of candidates who would exploit this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Republican_presidential_candidates

You must have also missed the following, like your candidate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKFYpd0q9nE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngjUkPbGwAg&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLwSaWB_G90&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5LFGI74wDY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC9j6Wfdq3o

These people used the Playboy mansion but, yeah, they won't use the comment in the OP. :crazy:

[Name removed]

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[Karmadillo]

87. The President of Canada wonders why anyone would resort to this stereotype.

He thinks Republicans might have more than a little bit of fun with the statement during the general election should Obama win the nomination. He also would like to remind Obama that no matter what he thinks of the elderly, they tend to vote in large numbers on election day. "Think first," he says. "Talk second."

[Trajan]

93. psssssssssssssss .....

LOVE Obama ...

LOVE Clinton ...

LOVE Edwards ...

LOVE Biden ....

LOVE Richardson ....

HATE divisive DU as*h*l*s .....

(OK ... love is too strong a term .... but ya get my drift ....)

[AtomicKitten]

99. somebody check the battery in the OP's carbon monixide monitor

partial quotes ......................... check
link deficient ......................... check
hard-on for hurting Obama .............. check
not afraid to make a fool of himself ... check

[emilyg]

112. Why don't you post the same when other candidates get hurt.?

[AtomicKitten]

114. I have.

I have spent the last two years defending Hillary and her entire entourage.

Not a fan of Edwards but have defended stuff like the haircut, house, etc.

It's true. Ask around.

I picked my horse(s) (see below, in order) in this race. So sue me. It's on now. Woo-hoo.

I would be more than happy to do the same for any injustice because you know I hate the haters (ha, ha) but I'm going to miss some (especially when I don't even go into some threads anymore) so please feel free to drop me a PM and I'll check it out. I mean that.

Cheers.

[alteredstate]

115. I bow to your greatness.

:patriot:

[AtomicKitten]

116. shut up and thank you ... can't decide

I actually get really happy around election time which annoys the crap out of people.

I don't hate the Democrats. I want them to kick the ever lovin' shit out of the GOP. Hard. Because I really, really, hate the GOP. I hate them for so many things my head is on the verge of exploding.

Everybody is talking about purity and I'm getting a good look at the opposition. They are slippery, pathologically insane a-holes. It's going to be so on, and we need to pull up our socks and dig in our feet.

But I digress.

Cheers.

[emilyg]

117. Please accept my apology.

:pals:

[AtomicKitten]

119. not necessary, really

I hate it when people come here to SLIME the candidates. I really do.

And although I am available for vigilante justice, I am short on omniscience. PM me and point. Anytime.

[jefferson_dem]

113. LOL! Classic...truth.

nt

[Pirate Smile]

102. This thread is bizarre. I can't believe the number of people that took this as an

attack on the judgment of everyone 50+.

Crazy. :crazy:

[alteredstate]

106. Yeah, it's crazy. n/y

[jefferson_dem]

110. Unless you are arguing that good judgment is a natural by-product of age and experience...

you're OP is bullshit (typically).

[draft_mario_cuomo]

130. As usual, your Obama rose-colored glasses prevented you from seeing the point of the OP

Hint: electability

[AtomicKitten]

131. if JeffDem has on rose-colored glasses, then you have a bag over your head

Obama pretty consistently polls as the projected supreme GOP butt-kicker nationally.

[GeorgeGist]

132. As you said ...

"Obviously he does not mean that every 50+ year old has poor judgment." But then you showed poor judgment and promoted the canard that the he meant older people are senile and inferior to younger people. A bit schizoid.