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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:37 AM
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OK. Seriously. What's the attack plan for Huckabee?
He will be our biggest threat on the repug side. I'm listening to a C-SPAN segment where Huckabee discusses his weight loss. His struggle will capture the attention of most Americans who have battled with weight loss. On top of that, he seems calm, reasonable, sensible--He doesn't seem to have that fake, smug, hypocritical Repug vibe. Not only that, but he says nice things about Democrats--even (gasp) the Clintons! He will definitely give us a run for the money with Independents.

What is the plan guys?!? Has anyone found dirt on him?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:40 AM
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1. Uh, there's plenty of dirt on him. He's a dipshit.
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 09:44 AM by wienerdoggie
edit to add: this is just more of DU's latest Republican crush of the week--already been through this with Fred Thompson and Ron Paul. We get bored, and look for new "threats" to ponder.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:43 AM
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6. Well, have at it.
Obviously by virtue of his Gooperness, he's anti-choice and tacitly supportive of those who hate gays, but where's the dirt?

back-of-the-business-card version is fine by me.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:51 AM
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11. Pressured parole board to release rapist for political gain (rapist
was a Clinton relative), and then released felon raped and murdered a woman. Wiped out many hard drives on Governor's office computers when he left office, deliberately. Son was recently arrested for packing heat onto a plane--same kid was punished as a teen for beating, hanging a dog and slitting its throat--psycho. Huckster and his wife pulled some kind of weird and inappropriate gift-registry scam to furnish their new home when leaving office--outcry among taxpayers. Raised taxes, cozied up to employers (chicken processors) hiring illegal immigrants as Gov, but now takes a hard line against them (flip-flop). Apparently wrote a book about the Jonesboro school killings for profit, exploited the tragedy and pissed off families by not donating proceeds. There's a reason he's not in the top tier. I'm sure there's more we haven't heard about, since nobody pays him much heed right now. Also made some creepy-ass comment about seeing Scarlett Johannson topless--this dude is NOT Prez material.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:01 AM
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16. Thanks. That's some good dirt!
OF course, now I'm going to have to use TEH Google to see where this all came from...
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:07 AM
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19. Here's some help:
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:34 AM
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21. Thanks. I'm all for spreadin' dirt
Although to be honest, I suspect there's only so much mileage to be had out of a screwed-up son. Yes, more people will be disgusted than sympathetic, but there WILL be some who'll be sympathetic.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:37 AM
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22. If you've ever seen a picture of the guy, he's totally fat and looks like a psycho.
I don't think he'll inspire much sympathy.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:13 PM
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29. The sympathy I had in mind might be directed toward the parent
i.e., the governor. (Just so it's clear.)
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:40 AM
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2. The Republicans might be too stupid to nominate him.
Huckabee would be their best candidate.

His fair tax plan proposes a 30% tax (I think). That would be one thing to bring up against him.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:55 AM
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14. Nope--just the opposite--they're too smart. They know he's a weak sister.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:41 AM
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3. I posted the other day
that he is the one that would be hardest to beat and got jumped on but I think it is true.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:41 AM
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4. I watched that for a few minutes, too. He seems like a nice guy.
I don't think he's nuts enough to have a wide appeal with the thuggery.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:41 AM
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5. He looks like Jim Nabors after a real bad weekend.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:45 AM
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8. DUzy!
:rofl:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:17 PM
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34. thanks
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:43 AM
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7. He doesn't believe in evolution, fercripessake.
Why would you need dirt against someone who admits they don't believe science?

TC


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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:47 AM
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9. That's not a swipe that will resonate with Independents & Conservatives
Seriously, we need a swift boat attack that's geared towards turning off the center and right. We don't have to worry about convincing the left. :)
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 04:48 PM
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39. we don't swiftboat PERIOD
we can use the truth against him from posts above. Used as you do, it jsut means to find some dirt - in 2004, they jUST MADE THINGS UP - maybe because Kerry was clean.
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 09:24 AM
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47. Correct.
We don't need to make stuff up about these guys. There is an amazing amount of stuff to use against them. I've come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a "clean" republican.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:47 AM
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10. The evolution question is enough to turn off 70% of Independent vote
The GOP candidates have been firing volleys at him about his record as Governor raising taxes... here are some of the other issues:

Eliminate public funding for abortions and public funding of organizations that advocate or perform abortions.

Allow citizens to carry concealed guns.

Support displaying the Ten Commandments in public schools.

Support abstinence-only sexual education programs.


More here:
http://votesmart.org/speech.php?can_id=1657
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:04 AM
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17. Forgot about that--he did raise his hand when asked, didn't he?
Thanks for the VoteSmart.org link, too.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:25 AM
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27. Here's the commercial script
Granted, it's rough, but...

Video:
Close shots of apes in a Natural History Museum

Music:
Earthy soothing soundbed

VO:
The wonders of science has taught us that evolution is not some far-fetched idea. It is an amazing story of survival, strength and change from generation to generation.

Video:
Slow motion video of Huckabee raising his hand saying he doesn't believe in evolution

Music:
Scary music

VO:
However, some people can't seem to understand science and want to tell everyone else we should be as uninformed as they are.

Video:
The video plays the question and Huckabee raises his hand

Video fade:
Shouldn't people running for President at least do their fifth grade homework?

Tagline:
Huckabee is scared of science. It's time for him to be extinct.


- Yeah, it's rough...



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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:28 PM
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32. "It's time for him to be extinct"?
well, it's a novel approach--advocating the death of your opponent...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:23 PM
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38. OK...sent out to pasture...um...
I told you the script was rough...


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:52 AM
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12. Let him talk. n/t
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:52 AM
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13. It's not a matter of being reasonable or likeable...
It's all a matter of whether he gets endorsements from various organizations.

Most organizations veer away from decent reasonable people, and usually endorse thugs who have name recognition.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:59 AM
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15. He's a preacher and has a calming resonant voice
that some preachers have that instill a confidence and a feeling of caring. Never mind that what he says is nuts. Nobody listens to content.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:05 AM
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18. I posted this the other day too. IF the power Pubs get behind Huck,
he will be a most formidable opponent! Did you see him on Bill Mahar's show last Friday? Bill asked him about the evolution thing. I can't quote his answer verbatum, but he said something like "I believe there was a higher power that created everything. Now, does that mean the earth isn't 6 million years old or man didn't look like an ape when he was first created, I don't know. It well could be that science & religion are both correct."

I've been a strong Dem all my life, and when I look at the current field of Pub candidates, I cringe...at all of them except Huck. He's a personable guy, good speaker, sounde like he has a lot of common sense, and is just likeable! So far, the only problem I have with what I've heard him say is his flat tax.

I have ONE MAIN REASON to fight hard against ANY Pub in 08. THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT!!!!!!! I don't mean to dismiss all the other problems we have, but if the Pubs get even one more 4 years, we will have LOST the SCOTUS for decades!!!!

Folks, we really do need to find out more about this guy or we could pay a terribly high price!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:08 AM
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20. Odd, you don't have a problem with the fact that he wants the War on Terra
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 10:14 AM by wienerdoggie
and Iraq to go on forever?

edit--because he believes that World War Two was NOTHING compared to the dangers we face with Islam. He is truly a fucking scary individual, to me--on a Christian Crusade, just like Chimpy.

"We need to understand that this is, in fact, World War III. Unlike any other world war we've ever fought, this one is one we cannot afford to lose."

-- In an Interview, Feb. 9, 2007

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/issues/iraq/index.html
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:43 AM
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23. No one is saying he is Dem material
He is the most appealing R running in my opinion. The is not near as crazy as the others.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:47 AM
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24. Well, we just have a difference of opinion, then--I find him CRAZIER
than the others--he's the same as Brownback. Rudy, Romney, Thompson and McCain aren't driven by Christian fundie fantasies.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:56 AM
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26. I based my statement totally upon the few times I've seen the man
on TV. That would be the Pubs debates, once on Bill Mahar, and once on the stump that was shown on cspan.

Ihave NEVER gone to any Pub web site...until today! After I posted my opinion of Huck, I decided if I was going to encourage other DUers to do research on him to be aboe to fight against him, it really was up to ME to at least begin to investigate...so I did.



Here's some of what I found:

From his campaign web site:

He's pro Constitutional Ammendment to guarantee marriage is between one man & one woman.

He believes in overturning Roe v Wade

He believes in Shrub's position on stem cell research-using EXISTING stem cell lines.


From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Huckabee (Wiki did a LOT of good work for us and against Huck!)

Criticisms

Fiscal record
Huckabee has been criticized by a conservative group for his fiscal record as governor. He increased state spending 65.3 percent from 1996 to 2004. He also supported 5 tax increases, prompting the Club for Growth to accuse him of being a liberal in disguise.<12> The Cato Institute, a libertarian non-profit public policy research foundation,<13> gave him an F grade for spending and tax policy in 2006, and an overall grade of D for his governorship.<14> During his tenure, the number of state government workers in Arkansas increased over 20 percent, and the state’s general obligation debt shot up by almost $1 billion. <15> Huckabee's campaign has countered these arguments by claiming that Governor Huckabee cut taxes 94 times, although most of them were small deductions and exemptions initiated by the state legislature, and returned almost $400 million to Arkansas taxpayers, including signing the first broad-based tax cut in the history of the state, although this bill was proposed by his predecessor. <16> He doubled the standard deduction and the child care tax credit, eliminated the marriage penalty and the capital gains tax on the sale of a home, and reduced the capital gains tax for both businesses and individuals. After serving as governor for more than ten years, Gov. Huckabee left the state with almost $1 billion in surplus. <17>


Handling of the Wayne Dumond case
Huckabee has also come under criticism for his handling of the case of Wayne Dumond, a convicted rapist who was released during Huckabee's governorship and who subsequently sexually assaulted and murdered a woman in Missouri following his release.<18> Dumond's case had attracted national attention in the mid 1990s from critics of President Bill Clinton who felt the former Arkansas Governor had been too harsh with Dumond because Dumond's victim was a distant Clinton relative. Even before taking office, Huckabee met with Dumond's wife and privately announced his intention that Dumond be set free, stating his unhappiness with the way Clinton had handled the case (Dumond had been attacked and castrated prior to his arrest for the rape).<19> On September 20, 1996, Huckabee publicly announced his intention of commuting Dumond's sentence. There was strong opposition to Huckabee's plan, leaving Huckabee in a difficult situation politically.<18> On October 31, 1996, Huckabee met privately with the parole board to talk about the Dumond case. Some members of the board have since stated that they were pressured to re-examine and vote in favor of Dumond's parole. On January 16, 1997, Dumond was granted parole, just five months after he had been rejected. Huckabee released a statement saying, "In light of the action of the board, my original intent to commute the sentence to time served is no longer relevant."<18> Huckabee has denied influencing the parole board in any way, but acknowledges some responsibility for signing Dumond's parole. His full disclosure of the incident is described in his book From Hope to Higher Ground. At the opening of Huckabee's Des Moines headquarters in Iowa, a protester costumed as a prisoner carried a sign that read "Felons for Huckabee".<20>


Controversial comments
On October 19, 2006, Huckabee appeared on the Imus in the Morning radio show with Don Imus. Referring to his significant weight loss, Imus remarked that Huckabee looked "emaciated." Huckabee joked that "I have just come out of six weeks at a concentration camp held by the (sic) Democrat Party of Arkansas in an undisclosed location, making a hostage tape...That's why I look that way." The National Jewish Democratic Council spoke out against the remarks; deputy executive director David Goldenberg said that Huckabee's comments were "insensitive" and that "making light of the Holocaust isn't something any elected official should be doing."

Huckabee's response was, "I have a great deal of respect for the Jewish people" and "To make such a far-reaching statement is laughable and is the type of allegation that makes people cynical."<21>


Creation of Gift Registry
In November 2006, both Huckabee and his wife drew criticism for creating wedding registries in the amount of over $6000 at both the Target and Dillard's web sites, in conjunction with a housewarming party to celebrate a new house they had purchased in Little Rock. The Arkansas Times, which first reported the story, noted that wedding gifts represent one of the exceptions to a $100 cap on gifts to political leaders under Arkansas law.<22> Huckabee claimed that the registries were intended only for those who were invited to the event, that he was not involved in organizing the event, and that they were classified as wedding registries only because those sites did not have separate categories for housewarming parties.


Illegal Immigration
Huckabee has been criticized for supporting illegal immigration.<23> In his 2005 State of the State address, he complained that a Hispanic student was not able to get financial aid because he was an illegal alien. Huckabee said: "But when he applied for financial aid, he wasn’t eligible for the various scholarships or grants because of his status, a status that he had no decision in or control over." <24> <25> Huckabee opposed a 2005 bill sponsored by Arkansas State Senator Jim Holt which would deny state benefits to illegal immigrants. <26> Huckabee argued that illegal immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits: "They pay fuel taxes. If they're using a fake Social Security number, they're paying Social Security taxes and will never receive any benefit. It would be closer to the truth to say they're subsidizing Joe McCutchen and Jim Holt more than the other way around."<27> When a Mexican consulate opened in Little Rock in 2006, Huckabee strongly supported it.<28> The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette reported: "Before he left office, former Gov. Mike Huckabee gave $10,000 to Little Rock. The money was given to help the consulate. Former Mayor Jim Dailey had requested that the governor match the city’s Dec. 19 contribution of $50,000 in a letter written Dec. 20. Huckabee’s contribution came from the governor’s $500,000 emergency fund and was one of roughly 20 appropriations Huckabee made from the taxpayer fund in his final days in office." <29> Critics of Huckabee say his support of the Mexican consulate broke federal law. <30> In 2007, Huckabee said, "I just don't think it's realistic to say this weekend we're going to round up 12 to 20 million young people and their children and we're going to put them across the border and they're never going to come back." <31> In a 2007 interview, Huckabee argued against job loss caused by illegal immigration saying, "You know, when people say, 'they're taking our jobs' -- I used to hear that as Governor -- and I started asking this question, 'can you name me any person, give me their name, who can't get a job plucking a chicken or picking a tomato or tarring a roof that would like to do that work?' ....I never, ever, had a person who could come up with the name of a person who could not get a job because an illegal immigrant had stepped in front of them because it was either a job that person didn't want to do or didn't exist."<32>


I'd love to hear some info from our DUers from Arkansas. Lots of things go in when a Gov. is in office for 8 years that never gets national attention! I think THAT's our greatest source!


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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:48 AM
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25. Back issues of the Arkansas Times have numerous stories on his seedy administration
Anyone wanting to get the dirt on him should read through their back issues. They've been on his case for years, and there's a lot there. It's been years since I read it, so I don't recall the specifics, but he has a record of appointing incompetent conservative fundy buddies to state positions (and having them resign in disgrace when they fuck things up) and using state employees on the clock to improve properties he owns. Probably not enough to sink a nomination, but enough mud to trip him up and slow him down.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:06 PM
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28. Just talk to Max Brantley at arktimes.com.
Ask about the use of the Arkansas Governor's Mansion fund to buy shit like pantyhose, Velveeta and doghouses. Try not to bring up the Mansion furniture that he thought was a gift or the suits that Jennings Osborne bought for him.

Ask about his office's refusal to inform The Arkansas Times about his upcoming public appearances.

Ask about the Huckster's use of a State Police airplane to fly his sorry ass to POLITICAL meetings under the guise of National Security.

Ask him why his son needed to kill dogs.

Then ask the Huck himself why he still refuses to apologize for calling Arkansas a "Banana Republic" on the Imus show after we elected him TWICE.

These will do for openers...

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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:16 PM
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30. Oh yeah, two more words:
BAPTIST PREACHER.

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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:22 PM
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31. I believe he wants a national sales tax
Let some economists loose with that one.

:wow:
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:21 PM
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35. If you are a millionaire, a sales tax means nothing. If you are on
SSI, a large portion of your money goes for food. A consumption tax would kill me.
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ripple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:46 PM
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40. Yep. That's about as regressive as it gets.
Someone should explain that in real terms to low-income people who are hitching their carriage to this asshole.

I disagree with the OP, though. I think Fred Thompson is a greater threat than Huckabee. Reagan nostalgia and all.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:39 PM
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44. A Pox on all of them.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:36 PM
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33. Actually, as someone who struggles with her weight,
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 12:38 PM by AZBlue
I find him smug and uptight. Like an extreme stereotype of the reformed smoker. Not that I don't cheer on those who have overcome their weight problems or plan to be one of them soon but he's just so preachy about it. If I have to hear him get up on his soap box and boast about his weight loss one more time, I'm going to throw a Big Mac meal at him. Super sized.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 01:25 PM
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36. I wouldn't under estimate this guy
Could be a VP choice also, comes across as a very likeable guy, did well on Colbert, goofy bass playing boy with a calm demeanor.

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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:15 PM
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42. ...and from Hope, Arkansas :)
Sound familiar?

I think he's the most likable of the GOP field right now, and we must remember, any *new* Republican President will be Bush's Third Term. We must get serious selecting our strongest Dem candidate ! Mike has executive experience, that will be a fight.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:19 PM
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37. He terrifies me. He comes off as a nice guy. n/t
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:01 PM
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41. I think he is by far their best option
Any Republican who can go on Maher and get applauded even as he defends creationism is a potential force to be reckoned with. I watched him carefully the other night and his response to the "how could you believe" questions was very reasonable. He seems to understand that asking those who disagree with him to prove their non-belief beyond a shadow of a doubt puts the pressure on the other side.

If you go after him too hard, it will backfire because he comes off as nicer than anyone we have except (candidate plug alert) Obama. He would need to be engaged on ideological and policy terms; as a supporter of the war, his judgment can also be questioned. He's also on the drab side, so offering up a little inspiration (candidate plug alert) wouldn't hurt either. Finally (candidate plug alert) it would be advantageous to oppose him with someone who is equally comfortable talking about faith, thus demonstrating that belief in God is not incompatible with a woman's right to choose, science/stem cell research and using government to address social and economic inequities.
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Progressive Friend Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:19 PM
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43. He has no chance of winning the GOP primary
Neither does Chuck Hagel, Ron Paul, etc.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:40 PM
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45. When he isn't offending me outright, he bores me to bits.
I hope he gets swallowed by a crocodile soon, this weekend at the latest.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 09:20 AM
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46. LOL Thank God the GOP is fixated on losers
Thompson, Guliani, Romney... I don't really take the first two seriously (though apparently Guliani still leads many polls). Romney is a threat, but not as talented as Huckabee IMHO.
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