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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:07 AM
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What's Bill Clinton Saying?
Much like Elizabeth Edwards and Michelle Obama act as surrogates for their husbands, so too does Bill for Hillary. So what's Bill saying? Next month, Bill Clinton will release his new book, "Giving". "Giving" is largely apolitical but in reading about it reminded me of that Bill has been active on the world stage since the end of his presidency, sort of a one-man NGO. I think the goodwill he's acquired both in his presidency and with his good works since leaving office will make him a powerful asset to a Hillary Clinton presidency. Here's how he is helping Hillary make her case:


Follow the links from the links.


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/29/143955/985

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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:13 AM
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1. Yes we know.
He is by far her most powerful asset.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:16 AM
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3. ::choke::
:spray:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:15 AM
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2. He was cool back in "the day"... Thanks Big Dawg!
Now, time to move forward. :bounce:
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:34 AM
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4. He is a former POTUS.
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 10:40 AM by Totally Committed
She could have Chelsea out campaigning for her, who like Mrs. Obama and Mrs. Edwards is a "private citizen". That would be equal. Neither of those women's "support" holds the power of Pres. Clinton's, and you know it.

That is why no former president endorses a candidate from his Party until the nominee is chosen. That has always been the protocol, and to have it broken now is very unfair and, I feel, unethical.

Just my opinion.

TC


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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:40 AM
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6. He gets in trouble for not standing by her, he gets in trouble for standing by her.
Thats Politics!
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:42 AM
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7. Jesus freakin Christ!
You don't want the man supporting his WIFE??? :eyes:

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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:50 AM
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8. I repeat:
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 10:54 AM by Totally Committed
No former president endorses a candidate from his Party until the nominee is chosen. That has always been the protocol, and to have it broken now is very unfair and, I feel, unethical.

Once he was elected PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, he became our PRESIDENT first, and her husband second. He should have stayed out of the campaign until a nominee was chosen, with Chelsea out there stumping in his place. She could have even said that. But, the powerful image of PRESIDENT CLINTON standing beside a candidate for POTUS is WAY too big an advantage to be ethical.

It's not right, imo.

TC



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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:06 AM
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10. Take it up with the ethics committee.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:09 AM
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11. Once elected ... he became our PRESIDENT 1st, and her husband 2nd
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 11:12 AM by jmp
That is the single most asinine thing I've heard!

Today.

On this site.

In the past couple of hours.


Even while in office ... family comes first. Always. Period.



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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:12 AM
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12. Whatever....
I don't expect anyone who shills for her the way most of the people who support her here do to understand or agree. But, there are ethical guidelines and protocols for what a former POTUS can and cannot say and who he can endorse and WHEN.

I wouldn't expect wither of you to get it.

TC


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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:15 AM
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14. I don't think there's another soul ...
Even among the most strident Hillary bashers on this site that will "get it" either.

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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:14 AM
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13. Give it time, it's still early for Totally Committed.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:39 AM
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15. So daddy Bush didn't endorse Jr until after the convention?
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:46 AM
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16. I don't think so. I believe his mother went out on the road until after he was the nominee...
I believe the first time GHWB spoke about GWB was at the convention after his nomination. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.

TC

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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:48 PM
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19. Former President Bush campaigned for his son before the republican primaries in 2000.
What you're saying "no former president endorses a candidate from his Party until the nominee is chosen" is simply not true.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:03 AM
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21. And it's good to be like Bush? n/t
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:23 AM
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25. Do you have any links for that? I was positive Babs was always saying
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 10:30 AM by Totally Committed
George (the hubby) wished he could be there, but had to wait until after the convention to be out on the campaign trail with them.

Like I said, I could be wrong (possible because when have the Bushes ever done the "ethical" thing, but I honestly remember this because Babs seemed almost like she was apologizing for his not being there... almost as if she was saying "He really DOES love our Georgie, but.....).

TC

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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:49 AM
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30. Perhaps she apologized because former President Bush was in Iowa campaigning for his son
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 11:50 AM by Maribelle
2000-01-14

Former President Bush campaigns for son the front-runner
Campaigning for his son the front-runner on Thursday, former President Bush telling Iowa Republicans that George W. learned at his side and would "be excellent at doing what I tried to do" to unite Americans at home and allies abroad. It was the former president's first vote-hunting mission of the 2000 presidential campaign, in territory where he both won and lost as a candidate.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6228/pres2000/archive/2000-01a.html


2000-02-18

On CNN under Friday, February 18, 2000

In Michigan, former President Bush campaigns for son

(sorry - -the link to the Michigan item at the bottom of this page does not work)
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/18/cnn.poll/



2000-01-21

Barbara Bush Campaigns for Son in NH

While her son stumps through Iowa, hoping to fight off a growing threat from publisher Steve Forbes, former First Lady and possibly the nation's future First Mother, Barbara Bush, is campaigning in New Hampshire this week on George W's behalf.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200001%5CPOL20000121g.html


2000-01-13

Barbara Bush reads to kids, helps son's campaign on Ariz. visit Arizona Daily Star

Former first lady Barbara Bush sat reading in a Mesa schoolroom - at ``her'' school. About 600 parents and children packed into a room at Barbara Bush Elementary sat entertained and amazingly quiet Tuesday as she read aloud during her visit to the school.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6228/pres2000/archive/2000-01a.html





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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:35 AM
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5. "Giving". Giving American jobs away w/outsourcing.
Yes, he has done good works since leaving office, but the damage from NAFTA has hurt this country tremendously.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:06 AM
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9. The intention is there by the Clintons
to redo NAFTA putting in many safeguards for American workers absent from the final NAFTA Legislation.

I think they both regret how NAFTA has turned out and are anxious to rewrite it to benefit American workers.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:48 AM
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17. Don't forget, the road to hell
was paved with good intentions.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 01:19 PM
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18. Depending on who I know is paving the road...that is!
The Clintons are the ones who can Win and bring the country forward.

and have no compunction about doing remedial work correcting things that didn't turn out the way they had planned.

The rest of the candidates? .... pig in poke...who knows!
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 02:22 PM
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20. So as long as it benefits
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 02:22 PM by JTFrog
you, I'm sure you don't care who paves the road to hell. And I notice you said "The Clintons" can win. Bill isn't running for any office is he? Too bad she has to rely so heavily upon him. I suppose you will spout back at me that she could have done this on her own. Pity we'll never know if that's true or not will we?

I've lived in hell since my job was shipped overseas. I wouldn't sell my vote to the corporate whores if my life depended on it being as my life is pretty worthless now anyway.

*edit - spelling
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 05:25 AM
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22. The Clintons are Repug Lite. They are Corporate Sponsored.
It may be what a majority of Americans will settle for instead of the Neo Fascists that the Repugs have become.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:12 AM
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23. Am I invited to your Pity Party?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:18 AM
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24. Aren't you just
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 10:20 AM by JTFrog
a peach.

I'm glad others misery brings you so much joy. I think that makes Clinton the perfect candidate for you. You'll be happy for years to come.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:27 AM
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26. Well, never let it be said your operating with a broken crystal ball..
:sarcasm:
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:38 AM
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27. The best safeguard for American workers is canceling NAFTA.
Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate who has the guts to take that position, though. I wish the rest of them would get on board w/him!

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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:46 AM
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28. Amen! n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:49 AM
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29. Not necessarily in our best interests..
Global Trade is here to stay. I'm sure if the criteria governing NAFTA is re-legislated with great care given to American Workers and job protections, it can work to our benefit. Rather than focusing on pumping up corporate profits, health benefits and retirement plans need a serious overhaul with language insuring permanency. Hillary is readily in concurrance with seeing to it this legislation is changed and passed in favor of workers rights and benefits.
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