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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 03:01 PM
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So Oprah has recommended some pretty crappy books over the
years...

And some really good ones as well...

Based on that record, I think I'll reserve judgment on her pick for president until it comes out in paperback...

Just kidding...

I really wanted to talk about celebrity endorsements and Obama has earned one of the most sought after prizes with Oprah...

But to me, celebrity endorsements are not really worth all that much...

I could really care less if Leonardo DiCaprio likes Edwards or Helen Hunt wants one of the Bush Twins to run or Bruce Willis endorses Fred Thompson...

It really doesn't make that much difference to most voters...

And you can see that play out when you look at the Oprah endorsement of Obama...

When the endorsement came from on high, Obama was polling at about 24-26% of the vote and that's pretty much where he remains, within the margin of error, for most polls...

So yea, it gets a TV hit and yea there are people out there who listen to every word Oprah says....

But Oprah has made no secret of her preference for Obama...

Maybe Obama has attracted all the Oprah votes even before she made her annoucement...

I'll give you this, Oprah will help Obama out by getting Oprah fans to perhaps take a closer look at the Illinois Senator. Maybe give him more attention than he had before, if that is possible, but in the end, voters will vote based on what they believe the candidate for president will do for them or perhaps more likely, and more sinister, that a vote for a candidate will stop the other candidate from getting into the Oval Office...

I hope it's the former instead of the latter since having Americans vote against a candidate has been the strategy of republicans for years and we can't handle another four years of GOP fuck-ups...

Well, That's my two cents...
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 03:07 PM
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1. More about money and fundrasing...
Oprah can do that for Obama as Steven Spielberg can for Hillary...
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 03:11 PM
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2. That's a very good point....
But it looks as if the big boys and gals have already weighed in for Obama and HRC...

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insanad Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:22 PM
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17. There's no such thing as bad "free press"
Something I've observed for years and even though I hate it, I think savy politicians, celebrities, and others seeking notoriety and opportunity have a lot to gain from any press, even some of the stupid stuff like is seen on Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh's blowhard shows. The petty things they pick up on end up working in favor of some candidates and I got a kick out of Barack's laughing dismissal of the supposed rift or jibe Michelle Obama made that the press immediately turned to a dig at Hillary Clinton. It was easily dismissed but put the whole thing in perspective. His name got on the headlines and noticed, and that's exactly the very thing that the polls are reflecting in Hillary's support, name recognition. The campaign will heat up in the coming year and I suspect even the petty little squabbles that the press would like to see between any of the candidates will continue to infest Barack's campaign. He handles it gracefully, with class, and then brings the focus right back to the important issues and ideals that he hopes will resonate with the intelligent voters of America.

Let the stupid, foolish, easily duped people who buy into the fear and erronious belief that his name equates with Islamic terrorists, or that his mixed race is a sign of the devil, or that he is an educated elite who can't relate to the downtrodden poor, or whatever the idiots who proclaim such messages suggest, let them vote for the Republican candidates who most reflect their own bigotry, ignorance, and mob mentality of fear. We don't need them.

The media seems to believe they have a lot to gain by inciting rivalry, by distorting statements and taking entire messages out of context to manipulate a headline. The mainstream media is not to be trusted, but a smart and effective candidate will use the media prostitutes to his own favor. I like John Stewart's show and the Colbert show, even "Lil Bush" and believe they have a huge impact on the psyche of the voters, especially over time. Barack even went on the Tyra Banks show recently. She's a bobbleheaded Barbie without a deep thought or intelligent perception, but hey!! It's free and he gets a half hr. to speak to the people who would watch her show, thus finding an outlet to relate to the millions who watch daytime tv. I first saw Barack Obama on Oprah three years ago when he was first running for the Senate. I was very impressed with him then and soon started seeing his name in numerous publications, some even worth reading . With Oprahs endorsement it will make a huge opportunity to reach the daytime tv watchers and some black communities that enjoy her brand of entertainment. I believe his staff is wise to use those local and national media opportunities to help get his name and face recognized.

At the polls, it's name recognition that seems to have the biggest impact on voting. Unfortunately, many people will not take the time or interest to actually inform themselves on the various candidates and they tend to vote for the name they recognize, regardless of that candidates position. Why do you think so many candidates spend the bulk of their budgets on scores of postors that plaster the empty lots and yards prior to elections? Barack Obama has great people on his staff who've made a simple graphic sign that says "Obama O8". That's all he needs in signage to create that recognition.

Every time I see Barack Obama or hear him speak I'm taken aback with how dignified, graceful, intelligent, thoughtful, strong, and capable he seems. He brought it out well on John Stewart's show when he mentioned that most intelligent people will look at the history of choices and leadership skills a person has and weigh that over the "experience" that some candidates claim. Sometimes the experience makes some politicians even more suspicious. It infers that they've been willing to play the good ol boys game, that they'll accept graft, that they'll compromise their values to stay in the game. It's often the most experienced ones that I mistrust the most. Barack mentioned that Rumsfield and Dick Cheney had very long political careers and lists of experience, but "how'd that work out for them?" was a very telling statement. From what I gather on the news, internet, and other media sources, very few Americans trust or believe in either of those men and even those that support Bush tend to believe that Dick Cheney and Rumsfield are very corrupt and sinister. Experience seems to equate with corruption in many cases. I'll take my chances with Barack Obama not just because of how he'll play the game in the future, but on how he's allready played the game in the past. His choices, focus, service and intellect are the very things I look for in a leader and I look forward to seeing how all those gifts will benefit all of us Americans.

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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 03:23 PM
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3. The only meaningful celebrity endorsement in North Carolina is Andy Griffith.
He's Hollywood but he's local. He's a progressive Democrat beloved by Independents and Republicans as well.

When he comes out every four years and makes a little commercial for whichever Democratic candidate for Governor is running, well, you know the Republican is going to lose.

Sadly, he stays away from Presidential politics.

(Oh, I've seen some of those Hollywood endorsements backfire and work in reverse, particularly in the red states).
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 03:25 PM
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4. That is the problem because the more fame you get, the more detractors
appear...

I knew old Andy was a democrat I didn't know he did those commercials...

Someone that level headed has to be a democrat...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 03:28 PM
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5. Here's my two cents:
Just because these folks are celebrities...

Does that really mean they know more about how good a candidate is?

Hell no!

I'm with you on this point: voters will vote based on what they believe the candidate for president will do for them ...

We must take the White House back for the benefit of the American people!

Another four years of the GOP, and we will no longer have a republic, or anything close to it...
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:06 PM
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6. They're both in Illinois, African-american, so why not. Here we're likely
get all our media people boosting Fred Thompson.

"Local boy gets endorsement."
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R_M Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:13 PM
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7. Bruce Willis endorsed Fred Thompson? Suprising...
NOT!
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:16 PM
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8. Remember when Oprah had Arnold and Maria on ?
All kissy huggy about Arnold becoming the next gov of California? She lost me at that moment. Maybe the sheep who seem to worship her will vote as she tells them to though.She seems to have become engrossed in her own celebrity, as so many do.
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R_M Donating Member (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:19 PM
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9. I don't give a damn for celebrity endorsements.
I am not in awe of anyone just because they are on a 40 foot wide screen. Oprah is an opportunist.
She lost me when she came out for Arnie the Groper too.
As you said, she is "engrossed in her own celebrity, as so many do."
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plusfiftyfive Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:29 PM
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10. Unfortunately I agree
When you are a BILLIONAIRE......you don't get my following.


I live on $2000 a month, middle class living. Billionaires, are not the people who call me to go out to lunch one day a week. We can't afford a dinner out, we can only afford $10 a week for a social lunch at a good restaurant, that's my thrill of the week. Once or twice a year we skip lunch a week to have a dinner out .....Christmas, or some other time. Now, Oprah, she is an AMERICAN? with that kind of money where she spends $10 on tips to her manicruist?


Do you have a reason we should listen to this woman other than she is smart and liberal and rich?

Let's have Oprah get 50 people who have less income in a year than she does in 10 minutes.. let's have them ask her to make a decision that the corporations haven't already made for her.

She is TOO RICH..............I woul respect her more if she GAVE AWAY ALL HER RICHES TOMORROW, and tried to make it as a celebrity all over again.......she was the lucky one, for timing, and place and add a bit of her own intelligence and skill, she is, after all, intelligent and skillful, now, let's move on...she was a pioneer, and will NEVER be poor or needy again.......but can she deliver today?

Oprah, I love you, but don't rest on laurels, that's a death sentence for liberals and rich people!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:54 PM
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11. Engrossed in her own celebrity...
That's a great line...
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:15 PM
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12. Oprah is a big fat orcas whale (DO not mess with Oprah), she'll kill ya dead
she may have lost the weight,
but she is still full of blubber.

she has not taken a single political stand, on torture on iraq, but suddenly is political in announcing her support for her fellow african american, Mr. Obama.

OPRAH WHERE WERE YOU WHEN WE NEEDED AMERICANS TO UNDERSTAND THE IRAQ WAR WAS WRONG,.


why choose NOW to be political when till now you've been the American poster child for greed, consumerism, hedonism and sloth?????


Do not mess with Oprah, she controls the entire US.... watch the following video and these are my sentiments exactly.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=13086606


oprah should rejoin her fellow whales and leave the rest of us alone..

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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:18 AM
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13. and you forgot "in the closet..."
n/m
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:47 PM
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19. as a gay person I couldn't agree more
oprah is gay
condi is gay
rove is gay
bush occasionally enjoys it up the ass
cheney is gay

and craig is gay


**** but somehow their internalized homophobia has made these gay people the world's most dangerous people.

should we blame churches for Oprah's closet?

i think we blame their own greed and power hunger and belief that joe sixpack gives a shit if their gay, which he doesn't as long as he can drink another sixpack.

i'm from georgia. gays don't fear for their lives as much by the rednecks... time heals all wounds and gay hate crimes while they still happen are way down.

folks just don't care about the gay thing as much as the media cares about it.

because most in the media are closeted. look at tucker. look at craig matthews with his little man worship.

it's funny and sad at the same time.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:46 AM
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14. Can't say I disagree. I have friends who think Oprah is the next best thing
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 10:47 AM by calimary
to God. I disagree. Our nation is in dire straits and all she can do is an Elvis schtick every week or so, giving away Cadillacs and shopping sprees. Well, that's what bush and rudy and friends told us would ease our pain and make everything all okay again - go shopping!

Oprah Winfrey is one of those rare individuals who's UNIQUELY POSITIONED to be able to exert some real influence for good. I mean vast political good, not just one isolated case here and there or publicly flaying some schmuck for exaggerating his life story or "let's all go on a diet together!" She has an exquisite and almost untouchable bully pulpit from which to EDUCATE and ENLIGHTEN. If she was going to put anybody on the hot seat for lying and pulling a con job on everybody, why bother with the "Million Little Pieces" pipsqueak AND TAKE ON george w. bush? Whom she allowed to kiss her on camera and make all nice-nice, aw-shucks, let's-go-have-a-beer-together. She helped put enough of a human face on him (and on Arnold, for that matter) to make them palatable to voters - in bush's case, allowing him to get close enough to steal it. I hold her HUGELY responsible for that. And she's done NOTHING, with all her power, her invincibility, her clout, NOTHING to try to wake people up.

I have no use for Oprah. I find her tiresome, self-aggrandizing, and pretty damned disappointing. Why isn't she building one of those fancy Oprah Winfrey empowerment schools for girls - in NEW ORLEANS????? My friends who worship her say that's not the point, that she doesn't want to get involved in politics and she's trying to be above that and shouldn't take sides and blah-blah-blah. Well, in times like these, when our country is going down the drain, we're being sapped by a war based on lies, the bastards she helped make so palatable to voters on her TV show have bankrupted us, killed thousands of our finest young people, broken our military, broken our banks, broken our government, broken our Constitution, broken our standing in the world, broken our national self-esteem, broken EVERYTHING. And she sits there hooting and giggling and squeezing shoulders and giving away shopping sprees.

When our country is in this critical a condition, somebody like her should fucking STAND UP AND TAKE THE RISK OF BEING COUNTED. REALLY COUNTED. And I feel the same way about other bigwigs like David Geffen and Steven Spielberg and others of that ilk. They've made their fortunes. They're so wealthy and so well-established that they can't be hurt, can't be touched. That's when they, especially, should stand up and stick their necks out. Put their power and the strength and clout of their names and their reputations on the line for their country, instead of sitting back and being safe. They pulled a LOT of money and advantage out of the system. Now they're set. Which means NOW, THEY OWE. BIGTIME. NOW, THEY SHOULD TURN AROUND AND START GIVING BACK.
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:44 PM
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18. I love you and your post Calimary
this is brilliant.

do you remember how folks she gave cars to, mostly people who are living paycheck to paycheck, found out they owed thousands in taxes on the car, and when Oprah found out about this, she could have said she'd cover the cost of the car taxes, but NOOOOOO she just laid low till the story blew over.

and bank of america and the car vendor probably gave oprah some nice little toys and trinkets for doing this on her show, so she made money on charging poor people for a free car.

IT"S SO SICK AND DISGUSTING.

and your well made point that others like Geffen and Spielberg don't speak up , but instead try to talk politics thru their movies like Munich or syriana, well that's a greedy way to talk politics, making millions at the box office.

the bottom line is that with all their wealth they are still scardey cats with no spine willing to sublimate their personal beliefs for the next big movie paycheck. they are greedy bastards just like oprah and that silence, that GREED and FEAR based silence of supposedly american heroes in the end is the most disappointing failure of these 8 years of any other one.

people like to blame the SHEEPLE but most SHEEPLE believe what they hear on TV.

TV HAS BEEN SAYING, "NO PROBLEMS, ALL IS FINE" for years now when i just read that not a single person was prosecuted for the crimes of abu gharaib.

IT"S TIME FOR THE HAGUE AND THE INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL to get active and start picking up these war criminals on the streets and taking them back to holland.

take rove
take white house press secretary Tony Snow
take gonzales
take rumsfeld
take condi
take cheney
take rice

and put them in jail cells next to MILOSEVIC and the ghosts of the NAZI war criminals because that is what they are.

OPRAH is a war criminal supporter.

that's what she is... make her visit them in jail and then do a show like that.....
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 05:23 PM
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20. I have also been frustrated that Oprah isn't taking a stand...
...against the outright tyranny washing over the land.

To give her a break, though, I think she was *greatly* traumatized over having to show up in court in Texas and defend herself for her "no more hamburgers" comment a few years ago. I saw an interview with her, which I felt was sincere and genuine, in which she talked about that event stirring in her all the fear she had always known as a vulnerable black woman in a racist country. I doubt that she *feels* invincible, in spite of all her money.

She probably could have bought her way out of that trial, but she courageously stood up in that instance.

If we are going to hold Oprah's feet to the fire over her cozying up to Dubyah, well, then, we need to do that in equal measure with our rogue Speaker of the House, Madame Pelosi, whose eagerness to play nice with Bush, et al, is selling us right down the river. May she get back to her grandmothering ... soonest!

I have been really, really put off every time Oprah invites Ahnald's Maria on, to sing the praises of her Austrian prince whose largesse (large ass) is so important in shaping the future of not only California, but the nation. I await, with bated breath, the signing statement that will allow this foreign-born personage to take over the reins of "governance" in the American seat of power!

"To those whom much is given, much will be required." If Oprah chose a given day to stand up and rally the troops (that would be us) to take back the country, I can imagine her show would be cancelled forthwith. But she would have made a statement that would reverberate through time and space.

I am merely a keyboard warrioress, safely writing from home. Much has been given to me, compared to struggling people across the globe. I spend a lot of time wondering what the "much" is that is going to be required of all of us to get back to sanity. As ever, it will be We, the Little People, who will have to do the work of saving ourselves.

Oprah may have a bitter lesson to learn yet: It is not possible to refuse to take sides, and still hold even a small piece of the moral/ethical high ground!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:11 PM
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21. I could not agree with you more about nancy pelosi.
The worst part about that is nancy pelosi presumably is on our side - actively. She IS a partisan. It's her JOB to take sides - especially to take sides AGAINST this asshole in OUR White House. And so far she is a HORRENDOUS disappointment. Even more disappointing than Oprah.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:29 PM
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23. It's like Peter Parker's Uncle said as he lay bleeding to death...
With great power comes great responsibility...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:36 PM
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25. And how few are willing to take that responsibility?
Damn few....

Abraham Lincoln said it:

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 12:39 PM
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26. well written
nothing more needs to be said. excellent.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:52 AM
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15. If Oprah was endorsing your candidate you would be jumping up for joy.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:22 PM
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22. Oprah doesn't matter all that much....
I used her as an example because she is the most visible celebrity who has openly endorsed a candidate...

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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:56 AM
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16. Read: "The Power Elite" by C. Wright Mills
Celebrities are one component of the power elite...at least when he wrote this back in the 50s.
They don't really influence how I think. But, hey, if they can be used to forward a good cause or candidate, let it happen.
I'd rather people develop critical thinking skills and THINK for themselves. Probably asking too much though.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:29 PM
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24. you may want to check out Sen. Obama's Katrina record as an example of his work
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