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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:15 PM
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Obama is the candidate least concerned about labor issues
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 08:50 PM by LBJDemocrat
I'm sorry, but this just has to be posted. Obama is clearly not the working man's/woman's candidate, even if certain workers may believe he is. Here's an article about how trade policy is the leading economic issue for the Democrats while the GOP is focusing on cutting spending: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aJe.lBOquEIk&refer=politics

However, what's striking about the article is that it suggests that Obama may be disinterested in the trade issue. The author says, "Among the Democratic candidates, Obama, 46, has had the least to say about trade. He recognizes the benefits of lowering tariffs, according to his top economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, a University of Chicago economist. ``However, he has repeatedly said we need to be mindful about those left behind,'' Goolsbee says."

He might be better than Bush, but there you have it: He's the least concerned about trade.

Really, if your top priority is economic justice, I think your choice should be between Edwards and Kucinich (I recommend Edwards since he actually stands a chance against Clobama).

Edit: Please note also that Obama's top economic adviser is a professor at University of Chicago, the school that brought you neoconservatism and the Chicago school of economics (i.e. Milton Friedman).
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:16 PM
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1. Next: Obama Hates American Workers.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:17 PM
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2. I'm not saying he does
In fact, the article does say he's opposed to the Korea free trade deal; but he's probably not as pro-worker as the rest of them.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:24 PM
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5. Your post is bullshit. He is the very one who has stated that America
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 08:31 PM by Ethelk2044
should have done more for those who were displaced because of Jobs moving overseas.

Hillary Clinton on Outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:26 PM
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7. Sorry; that won't cut it
We've heard the same "retraining" tune since Clinton, and I, for one, am fed up. How about preventing more jobs from moving overseas to begin with?
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:28 PM
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9. Show me what your candidate
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 08:30 PM by Ethelk2044
Better yet. Let me show you what she said with a video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:47 PM
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12. Clinton's not my candidate
Edwards is my candidate.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:15 PM
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29. And everyone WONDERS why I'm SO against an HRC candidacy.
That video says it all. Same shit, different party is NOT what this country needs.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:35 AM
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34. Not everyone wonders.
Some of us get it loud and clear :)
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:52 AM
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37. That signature says it all.
Don't know why more people don't get THAT loud and clear.

:toast:
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:20 PM
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4. And for the record,
I'd still vote Obama to deprive Hillary of the nomination.

You and I are still pals as far as that's concerned. :toast:

It's just that I want to get this info out in hope that it'll sway Obama supporters to switch into the Edwards camp.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:36 PM
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11. Nope will not switch. If Edwards was for Labor he would have proved it when he was in office.
He did not do anything for labor then nor now.
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draft_mario_cuomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:12 PM
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18. He had a 100% AFL-CIO rating and 17% (pro-fair trade) rating from the CATO Institute
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 09:31 PM by draft_mario_cuomo
His CATO rating was the lowest of any of the 2004 Democratic candidates. I haven't checked the ratings for the 08' candidates but when Edwards had a better (from our point of view) CATO rating than Gephardt and Kucinich that says something.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:07 PM
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44. Uh, that's NOT what the OP said (n/t)
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:19 PM
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3. hiLLary is the Labor candidate
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:27 PM
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8. Yes, she is. She stated she wanted to increase the H1B Visa in order
for workers from other countries can come over here to work. That way Companies can hire foreign workers instead of Americans. She will continue outsourcing just like her husband. That is the very reason that had stock in companies in India.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:49 PM
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13. What's Obama's stance on H1-Bs?
Is there even any candidate that's explicitly against them?

And yeah, that's pretty disgusting that she's openly for it. In light of that, I'll remove the pro-Clinton shit from my post.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:57 PM
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15. Here is Edwards Stance on H1B Visa's
http://jre-whatsnottolike.com/2002/05/

Dear (name withheld):

Thank you for contacting me regarding the H-1B visa program. I appreciate hearing from you on this issue.

As you know, the H-1B visa program allows employers to hire temporary alien workers to fill positions that demand highly skilled employees. During the 106th Congress, I co-sponsored the American Competitiveness in the Twenty-first Century Act of 2000, which had bipartisan support and was signed into law on October 17, 2000. This legislation amends the Immigration and Nationality Act of 2000 to increase available nonimmigrant H-1B specialty occupation visas by 297,500 from FY2000-FY2002. In addition, the measure exempts from H1B numerical limits all nonimmigrants who work for universities and nonprofit research facilities, and eliminates the per-country ceilings for employment-based immigrants.

Currently, the largest category of workers who enter the United States with H-1B visas are those who will fill information technology (IT) jobs, such as computer engineers, system analysts and computer programmers. The U.S. Department of Commerce projects that employment in IT occupations will continue to expand rapidly.

Although Congress already has raised the caps over the next several years, debate about the number of available H-1B visas has continued. Some me employers in the high tech industries are urging Congress to eliminate the ceilings altogether. They argue that there has been a nationwide decline in bachelor’s degrees conferred in computer/information sciences, and that this dwindling supply of skilled American workers is forcing them to rely on foreign workers in increasing numbers.

Zazona 5/13/02

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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:03 PM
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28. That's crappy
But it was a while back, and it seems that cutting the visa program is a bit of a third rail.
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:13 AM
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33. Why is cutting work visa programs a third rail?
Simply put, in recent years the U.S. has had an economic policy of exporting jobs while importing workers. For those capable of understanding the economic law of supply and demand, this means we have an abundance of labor.

The free traders claim that trade will create more jobs here. Trade agreements that caused the loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs were sold to the public with the promise that we would retain the high tech jobs. The H-1B visa programs sold out displaced U.S. workers with the aptitude for those high tech jobs. The H-1B visa program has been abused to permit employers to ignore U.S. citizens in the same way that fast food chains have imported foreign workers to fill jobs that U.S. workers won't accept at the low pay scale the employer offers. The same neo-conservatives who preach non-intervention of the government in the market place demand that government intervene in the labor market to create a surplus of workers. Simply requiring that employers of foreigners here with work visas to pay for their health care insurance, and making them responsible for paying off their employee's emergency room bills would end a lot of nonsense with all kinds of work visa abuse.

Visa abuse is another issue where Edwards rhetoric of helping the working poor doesn't square with his legislative record. The next Eugene McCarthy he is not.
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:56 AM
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40. I'm in full agreement
I didn't know H1-Bs didn't get their health insurance funded by employers. I think there's more to employers' attraction to H1-B holders than that. H1-Bs have their hands tied as far as switching jobs is concerned, which makes them willing to accept lower pay, lower salary growth, and basically ensures they'll be more submissive than American workers. Plus, they normally come from countries with shitty labor standards to begin with.

In any case, it's a third rail because we're supposed to "know" that it's good to import the brightest people in the world and that any bitterness about it is "racist," "nativistic," or "xenophobic."
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:23 AM
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42. H1-B's are frequently hired by tech temp agencies and subcontractors
The employers are claiming that there are not enough U.S. workers with these skills. At best this is a half-truth, since the tech industry changes constantly. For example, I know a guy with years experience as a database administrator on mainframe computer systems. When the big switch to server based systems happened, he was out of a job in 2001-2002, the same time period as Edwards letter here. He clearly had the aptitude to switch over to server based systems, but because he didn't have the exact training, he couldn't compete with the H1-B's who did and would work for less.

The reality is that by doing what they have done with the H1-B visa program the government has created a disincentive for U.S. students to enter the tech field. At the same time, many of these H1-B visa holders are not U.S. citizens and have no real loyalty to the U.S. Considering that our military advantage lies in our superior technology, this is a potential major problem.

I am not certain about the exact requirements regarding health insurance, but I do know that foreign students working at restaurants, in hotels and in resort areas here don't have health insurance from their employers. Maybe Lou Dobbs will do a piece on this. These summer jobs used to go to U.S. students, but not any more.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:13 PM
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45. As an ex-IT worker,
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 03:20 PM by ProudDad
a computer programmer with decades of experience, whose last two good paying jobs were outsourced to "cut costs"... and who is now a victim of computer related injuries to my hands and age-discrimination (I won't/can't work 70 hour weeks any more)---

FUCK YOU!!!!! <---- Think 48 point font!!!

(How do you do that thing that makes the text large font?)

There's NO FUCKING SHORTAGE OF USAmerican IT WORKERS!!!

Got that, Gates and the rest of you fuckers!!!

There's NO FUCKING SHORTAGE OF USAmerican IT WORKERS!!!


We don't need no more FUCKING H1B's --

We need employers who will allow one to work a 40 hour week for a decent wage.

We don't have that.

We have greedy fucks running the corporations. Profit ubber alles...

We have fuckers who want you to work a 70-80 hour week (on salary -- no overtime pay) for less and less each year.


On Edit: BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT ALERT!!!!

"They argue that there has been a nationwide decline in bachelor’s degrees conferred in computer/information sciences, and that this dwindling supply of skilled American workers is forcing them to rely on foreign workers in increasing numbers."

A "degree" is usually an impediment in the IT profession. Most "Computer Science" majors I ran into during the 42 years I was programming couldn't fucking program their way out of a paper bag. They had LOTS of (last decade's) theory and couldn't write clean code or a useful application until you cleansed their mind of the detritus that their degree "program" shoved into it.

What a fucking crock!
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Hart2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:22 PM
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50. Amen
:yourock:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:38 AM
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35. Perhaps not explicitly against...
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 04:46 AM by JTFrog
But you have to admit DK has a great handle on this. I'm still trying to figure out how Hillary is getting these endorsements.

H-1B and L-1 Visas

The expanded use of H-1B and L-1 visas has had a negative effect on the workplace of Information Technology workers in America. It has caused a reduction in wages. It has forced workers to accept deteriorating working conditions and allowed U.S. companies to concentrate work in technical and geographic areas that American workers consider undesirable. It has also reduced the number of IT jobs held by Americans.

At its peak in 2000, there were 10.5 million people working in Information Technology in the United States. By 2001, there were fewer than 10 million -- despite continued global growth in Information Technology employment. Professor Norman Matloff of UC Davis estimates that in the spring of 2003 there were 500,000 unemployed and underemployed U.S. programmers, while there were 463,000 H-1B workers employed in the field.

The government must ensure adequate funds for the enforcement of visa regulations -- including much-ignored regulations prohibiting the use of foreign nationals in critical infrastructure. A special investigator should be appointed to examine the extent and nature of H-1B and L-1 visa fraud and the reasons for heavy use of H-1B and L-1 visas at Enron, WorldCom, and Anderson. We should take seriously the allegations of perjury by corporate leaders who have testified before Congress to request expansion of this program in 1998 and 2000, as well as allegations of the use of the H-1B and L-1 programs in corrupt organizations.

We need an industry fact-finding commission, including representatives of major U.S. investors, U.S. tech workers, and business leaders who have been competitive in the international marketplace without use of the H-1B / L-1 program. These representatives can make suggestions as to a new policy on the immigration of people with specialized knowledge or unique skills.

I have already set forth plans for major technical initiatives in the areas of renewable energy, pollution control, and promotions of Open Source software and media -- additional major initiatives will be considered -- creating a wider diversity of means by which technologists are funded outside of the service of major corporations. It may not be possible to undo the damage that corporate short-sightedness has done to the U.S. technical community -- but it is possible to give a real voice to the vision that the U.S. technical community has for a better America.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:22 PM
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46. Another reason I'm voting Kucinich!!!
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 03:22 PM by ProudDad
See my post #45. As an ex-IT worker...
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:55 PM
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14. oh you're just a hiLLary hater
getting your taLking points from karL rove.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:31 PM
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23. why because she wants to increase h1b visa's ?
No I do not hate her. I just don't believe there should be an increase. We have college students who are going to need jobs when they graduate. If you don't care about your child having a job once she graduates fine. However, I care about if there are going to be jobs around for my daughter.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:39 PM
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24. oh you're just a misogynist
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:41 PM
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25. Nope. I am straight forward to the point and don't care if you like it or not.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:43 PM
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26. oh you're just a Lefty moonbat
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WildEyedLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:00 AM
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31. hahaha
Methinks your irony is flying overhead.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 06:38 AM
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36. just a bit
;)
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:25 PM
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6. Then Obama will be right at home with his fellow elitists in congress that..........
really don't give a damn about the American worker or the economic demise of our nation.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:35 PM
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10. What does Obama say about labor?
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:04 PM
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16. yep, lbj, Obama is pure evil.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:11 PM
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17. You are right. Obama is against workers as evidenced in this item
U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Dick Durbin (D-IL) today sent a letter to United States Department of Labor (DOL) Secretary Elaine L. Chao requesting that DOL be prepared to immediately assist displaced workers when the Owens-Illinois Inc. plant in Godfrey, Illinois is closed.

Last Friday, Owens-Illinois Inc. announced plans to close its machine parts plant in Godfrey by the end of the year. The facility employs 261 workers and is an important part of the local economy. The Illinois Senators said they are concerned about how this closure could affect those living in the Godfrey areas and asked Secretary Chao to help the workers transition into new jobs by providing job search assistance, career counseling, and other assistance.

Below please find the full text of Obama and Durbin’s letter:
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:25 PM
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47. Did he follow up?
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 03:29 PM by ProudDad
What happened to the workers?

This is standard "constituent support" boiler plate. They probably have a computer program to do this (unless they've outsourced it to Malaysia).

He knew damn well chao wasn't going to do shit...good that he tried though.

On Edit:

http://www.glassonweb.com/news/index/4749/

"A Madison County glass manufacturer may relocate jobs to South America and possibly shut down operations after 48 years.

Owens-Illinois Inc. put its Godfrey plant up for sale 18 months ago, but has failed to attract any strong bids. Company administrators will meet Wednesday with representatives from the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers District 9, which has 222 members among the company's 261 employees at its plant at 315 Tolle Lane in Godfrey."

and the IAM "leadership" just endorsed a major pro-outsourcer for Prez... Good ole' U.S. of A. -- cognitive disconnect central!
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:19 PM
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19. What a BS title
How does "Obama, 46, has had the least to say about trade" equate to "Obama is the candidate least concerned about labor issues"? It doesn't. Not even close.

And that's even if you believe the Bloomberg article's contention that Obama has had the least to say about it. How could they possibly back up that statement?

And trying to tarnish Obama because his adviser is a professor at the same school as Friedman is just ridiculous. It almost makes me think this is satire.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:27 PM
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22. bravo. bravo.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:24 PM
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20. Obama Helping Labor
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 09:27 PM by Ethelk2044
Obama, Durbin Announce Department of Labor Will Help Displaced Maytag Workers if Herrin Plant Closes
Friday, June 23, 2006
Printable FormatFOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Obama Contact: Robert Gibbs or Tommy Vietor, (202) 228-5511
Durbin Contact: Sandra Abrevaya, (202) 224-7115
Date: June 23, 2006

Obama, Durbin Announce Department of Labor Will Help Displaced Maytag Workers if Herrin Plant Closes

WASHINGTON - U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Dick Durbin (D-IL) today announced that the United States Department of Labor (DOL) will provide displaced workers with job placement and training assistance if the Maytag plant in Herrin, Illinois closes.

"Obviously, my hope is that the Maytag plant remains open, but I'm happy that the Department of Labor is prepared to do everything it can to help these workers land on their feet," said Obama. "The Maytag plant has long been the backbone of Herrin's economy, and if it closes we must all do our part to keep this community intact."

"Last month, Senator Obama and I asked the Department of Labor to be prepared to immediately assist displaced workers if the Maytag plant in Illinois closed down," said Durbin. "Today, we received assurances that if the plant decides to close, the 1,000 workers in Herrin, Illinois will receive critical assistance to help them find new jobs."

On May 10, Whirpool announced that it would be closing laundry appliance plants in Illinois, Arkansas and Iowa. The Illinois facility located in Herrin employs 1,000 people and is the backbone of the local economy. Shortly after this announcement, Senators Obama and Durbin wrote to DOL Secretary Elaine L. Chao requesting that the agency be prepared to immediately assist any workers displaced as a result of these closings.

Earlier today, Obama and Durbin were informed by Secretary Chao's office that the DOL is prepared to provide Trade Adjustment Assistance (TAA) to displaced workers in these communities. TAA will help identify appropriate training programs for displaced workers, and help them obtain reemployment at the conclusion of the training program. To ensure workers are referred to appropriate job openings and placed in jobs that utilize their highest skills, employment counseling, resume writing, interview skills workshops, and job search and relocation allowances will be provided.

http://obama.senate.gov/press/060623-obama_durbin_an_2/index.php


Chief co-sponsor of IL ENDA, against gay job discrimination. (Aug 2007)
Chicago's Soldier Field stadium construction created jobs. (Aug 2007)
Pres. candidates can afford minimum wage; most folks can't. (Jul 2007)
Make the minimum wage a living wage. (Jun 2007)
Burdens of globalization are placed on the backs of workers. (Mar 2007)
Owes unions who endorsed him; that's why he's in politics. (Oct 2006)
Working full-time should mean enough to support a family. (Oct 2006)
Overrode federal overtime rules and raised the minimum wage. (Sep 2004)
Make sure that African-American men have access to jobs. (Jul 2004)
Fund Trade Adjustment Assistance for service workers too. (Jun 2004)
Increase IL minimum wage to $6.50 an hour. (Jun 2004)
Tax cuts for the rich do not create jobs. (May 2004)
Obama will strengthen unions and workers' rights. (May 2004)
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:26 PM
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21. See, what no one seems to realize is that Pandering is just not his style.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:50 PM
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27. "has the least to say" is VERY DIFFERENT than "least concerned"
Misleading. Not nice.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:16 PM
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30. Your OP is so full of sh*t, I don't know where to begin. Here's a start...
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 11:20 PM by zulchzulu
Debunk this... in case you can't count (which seems possible), 100% is the most you can get.

Labor Ratings

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 94 percent in 2006.

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 100 percent in 2005-2006.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 92 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 92 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100 percent in 2005.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 100 percent in 2005.

2003 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Illinois AFL-CIO 89 percent in 2003.

2001 On the votes that the Illinois AFL-CIO considered to be the most important in 2001, Senator Obama voted their preferred position 89 percent of the time.

1999 On the votes that the Illinois AFL-CIO considered to be the most important in 1999, Senator Obama voted their preferred position 92 percent of the time.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=9490

Bad for labor, my ass.



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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:07 AM
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38. Like LBJDemocrat noted. Wanted to make people think Obama was otherwise
to try to get Edwards some votes. It is plain and simple. However, did not realize Obama Supporters would do their own research.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:54 PM
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48. Interesting graphic shows Obama's 96% lifetime record with AFL-CIO
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 04:57 PM by zulchzulu
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 01:00 AM
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32. They are talking about this specific appearance
If you want to know his stance on economic justice, go here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fightingpoverty/

Here is more info on his top economic advisor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austan_Goolsbee
The Democrats, besides talking about a broader range of subjects, also have the freshest face among the top campaign advisers — Barack Obama’s lead economist, Austan Goolsbee, a 37-year-old star professor at the University of Chicago (who writes a monthly column for The New York Times). The two men met when Mr. Obama was teaching at the law school there, and they both seem to favor achieving Democratic goals through market-oriented policies. As Mr. Goolsbee has written: “Moral exhortation doesn’t change people’s behavior. Prices do.” Given their respective professions, the two are also more irreverent than you may expect: Mr. Goolsbee was once a member of an improvisational comedy group.

But the biggest reason he got the job may simply be that many Democratic economists were already loyal to Hillary Clinton. Her team is dominated by former aides from her husband’s administration like Roger Altman, an investment banker, and Gene Sperling, who worked his way up from serving as a campaign aide in 1992 to becoming a senior White House adviser. Dick Gephardt, the former House Democratic leader, is also working with Mrs. Clinton.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/business/18leonhardt.html?ex=1334548800&en=7eb5e2553d92a9f4&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:58 AM
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41. Not one mention of trade
Yeah; I think I'll stand by my original post.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 02:57 PM
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43. There isn't a trade category on his site
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Barack_Obama_Free_Trade.htm

I figured a page full of proposals to help working families might give you a hint on where Obama stands with regards to economic justice, but I guess not.
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Ethelk2044 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 07:19 AM
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39. Compare Edwards Record to Obama

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2003 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers considered to be the most important in 2003, Edwards voted their preferred position 90 percent of the time.

2003 Edwards supported the interests of the Transportation Communications Union 100 percent in 2003.

2003 Edwards supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 75 percent in 2003. Those who supported or provided other assistance in connection with a UAW organizing drive are given an extra 10% bonus.

2003 Edwards supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2003.

2003 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2003, Edwards voted their preferred position 83 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker considered to be the most important in 2003, Edwards voted their preferred position 50 percent of the time.

2003 On the votes that the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers considered to be the most important in 2003, Edwards voted their preferred position 67 percent of the time.

2003 Edwards supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 91 percent in 2003.

2003 Edwards supported the interests of the Workplace Fairness 60 percent in 2003.

2002 Edwards supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 100 percent in 2002.

2002 Edwards supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100 percent in 2002.

2002 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2002, Edwards voted their preferred position 75 percent of the time.

2002 Edwards supported the interests of the Transportation Communications Union 90 percent in 2002.

2002 Edwards supported the interests of the Communications Workers of America 100 percent in 2002.

2002 On the votes that the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker considered to be the most important in 2002, Edwards voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2002 On the votes that the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers considered to be the most important in 2002, Edwards voted their preferred position 72 percent of the time.

2002 Edwards supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2002.

2002 Edwards supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 92 percent in 2002.

2002 On the votes that the Service Employees International Union considered to be the most important in 2002, Edwards voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2002 On the votes that the Pennsylvania State Nurses Association considered to be the most important in 2002, Edwards voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Edwards voted their preferred position 83 percent of the time.

2001-2002 Edwards supported the interests of the American Postal Workers Union 90 percent in 2001-2002.

2001 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 2001, Edwards voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001 Edwards supported the interests of the Transportation Communications Union 100 percent in 2001.

2001 On the votes that the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers considered to be the most important in 2001, Edwards voted their preferred position 72 percent of the time.

2001 Edwards supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 100 percent in 2001.

2001 On the votes that the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker considered to be the most important in 2001, Edwards voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001 Edwards supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2001.

2001 Edwards supported the interests of the United Food & Commercial Workers 100 percent in 2001.

2001 On the votes that the Service Employees International Union considered to be the most important in 2001, Edwards voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2001 Edwards supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 100 percent in 2001.

2001 Edwards supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 100 percent in 2001.

2000 Edwards supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 85 percent in 2000.

2000 On the votes that the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker considered to be the most important in 2000, Edwards voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time.

2000 Edwards supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 75 percent in 2000.

2000 Edwards supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 92 percent in 2000.

2000 Edwards supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 92 percent in 2000.

2000 Edwards supported the interests of the Communications Workers of America 100 percent in 2000.

2000 On the votes that the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers considered to be the most important in 2000, Edwards voted their preferred position 57 percent of the time.

2000 On the votes that the Service Employees International Union considered to be the most important in 2000, Edwards voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 Edwards supported the interests of the International Association of Fire Fighters 100 percent in 1999-2000.

1999 Edwards supported the interests of the Transportation Communications Union 100 percent in 1999.

1999 Edwards supported the interests of the Communications Workers of America 100 percent in 1999.

1999 On the votes that the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers considered to be the most important in 1999, Edwards voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=21107
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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:58 PM
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49. I rest my case nt
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