I am sure I will be flamed but I thought Hillary was "awful" on Letterman.

[saracat]

Her personality was "flat".Her clothes were unflattering and too tight , her makeup was bad, and her hair looked awful.The highlight was her top 10 list.Now THAT was great. Very funny.She also stressed her "Republican values way to much.And said she was "still guided by them" Red meat for her opponents.
What are her handlers thinking to let her go out like that?She has looked really great in some of her appearances, particularly the Debates.This was NOT one of her better appearances.Some may know I do NOT support Hillary but I am making these observations based on my experience as a PR consultant and as someone who works in media.Seriously. I believe in praising when it is deserved and her people botched this.Any opinions and can we be civil? This is not to bash Hillary but to objectively discuss this appearance.

[Taverner]

1. She's a Goldwater Girl - give her a break!

;)

Seriously, I think she came off good, but Hillary is a pick-and-choose liberal. On some issues, she's very liberal. On others, she's John Birch conservative. If she wins, expect to see health care. Also expect to see NAFTA extended to all of Latin America that still has US Puppets.

[LisaM]

35. I didn't think she came off well, either. She seemed contrived.

Her Top Ten list was good, though. But that was about it.

[Catchawave]

57. My problem was her response to being First Woman President

"I think it will be fun to find out since we've never had one before"

Fun? Com'on Hil, Dave's audience isn't stupid.

Otherwise, I enjoyed her, especially the fish sliming job in Alaska story. With hopes Dave will give all the candidates a full show in the future :bounce:

[Arugula Latte]

126. She always seems contrived to me....Always. nt

[bvar22]

125. If she wins, expect to see more "FOR PROFIT" HealthCare.

The For Profit HealthCare system has been financing Hillary's campaign.
Don't expect to see any reforms that will significantly bring down the cost of the For Profit system. Hillary will divert tax payer dollars into the pockets of the richest CEOs in history by subsidizing healthcare.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

138. That can be said of any candidate except Dennis Kucinich.

[rinsd]

2. She needs to spend more time on her hair and makeup. Look at John Edwards

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q

[saracat]

5. I asked for civility.It was an honest obsevation.And this had NOTHING to

do with another candidate! But whatever.

[rinsd]

7. Oh c'mon it was just a little fun. You picked on her makeup and hair for crissakes.

The pants suit was an ok color though not as flattering in her full views shot as opposed to her cutaway (top half).

But I thought her makeup & hair was ok if not good.

[CTyankee]

27. She has that unfortunate narrower on top, heavy on bottom figure.

I have had the exact opposite. It is frustrating because if you wear pants, as she does and as I do, you need one size for the top and another for the bottom. So you end up constantly tailoring, which is the only way you'll look good.

But, of course, this is senseless dithering. She should be judged ONLY on her merits as a candidate. Sigh. If only...

[saracat]

31. I am a "hippy" woman as well.She can dress to "camouflage" that flaw and often has in the past.

She needs longer jackets and looser pants with a high waist.I still wonder who dresses her.

[CTyankee]

39. Tailoring is everyone's friend, man or woman.

When I finally realized that I simply couldn't fit into a standard size 10 or 12, because one fit on the bottom and one on the top, I gave up and started buying the highest quality clothes I could afford and then had them tailored to my configuration. It's the only way to go, IMHO.

[dansolo]

71. Sorry, but when she's on Letterman

She is going as a celebrity, not a candidate. Hence, appearance does matter. Just think back to Bill's appearance on Arsenio Hall. People weren't talking about his positions, they were talking about his sax solo.

[aquart]

3. I thought she looked fine. She looked like Hillary.

It's probable that I'm not grading her on looks, however.

[saracat]

8. Well, there are times she has looked lovely.I don't know who picks her clothes sometimes

but I think they must also work with Laura Bush!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. and those shoes! Who picked those SHOES?

I was proud of her one time in her life as senator. The day she appeared without her hair done, without make-up and obviously ready to do a lot of work. She was attacked left and right, for looking like that. and that said a lot about our country's development.

[Cha]

11. I remember that very short

term look! I liked it too!

[ronnykmarshall]

64. You must be a fan of "Airplane"

:rofl:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

75. surely, you geste

a hospital? What's that?

[ronnykmarshall]

79. stop calling me Shirley....

You just hang loose Blood, the sistah gonna catch you on the rebond with the medici!

[monmouth]

6. I thought she looked and acted great. Like someone who had worked

about twelve hours before going on Dave's show. I did notice her suit did fit too tightly, and the glare of the lights did not bode well for the makeup. Dave tapes at around 5:00-5:30 in the evening, maybe little or no time in makeup. Didn't matter to me, she was great.

[Captain Hilts]

12. Dark suits just look better ALWAYS. Yes, she had that I've been working 12 hrs. look. Good for her

[saracat]

15. I would have thought her people would have taken more "care' for such a big national audience.

After all, most "stars" handlers put a lot of time into preparing them for Letterman or Leno! Maybe some will see this and make sure she looks good on the next show! And it they are reading this , trash the beige/brown suit.She looks better in colors and pastels.The black suits are good too but with more face color!

[monmouth]

40. She has a yellow outfit that looks stunning on her. I know people think

this is silly, but the OP is correct. We live in times where appearance, nuance, etc. is primo. Let's face it, Abe Lincoln wouldn't have made tier 3...

[tblue37]

123. She looked stunning when she appeared on Letterman while

running for sentator the first time. Black pant suit with longish jacket; deep coral blouse, if I remember correctly.

[MaineDem]

9. I thought she was fine

She's a real human and she doesn't always look perfect every minute of the day. Campaigning takes a lot out of a person.

I agree that her hair needed a little life but other than that, she looked and did fine. My opinion of course. :)

[Captain Hilts]

10. I see what you mean on her appearance. But scruffy is actually good. nt

[ElizabethDC]

13. I thought she seemed relaxed and happy

I couldn't care less about her hair or her outfit.

[saracat]

18. But you already support her. Others might be influenced.

[ElizabethDC]

21. There was a thread about it on DU last night, where many non-HRC supporters

said that they thought she did a good job.

Honestly, if someone doesn't want to vote for her because they don't like her hair, I'd pretty much rather that they didn't.

[saracat]

24. Hey, no matter who our nominee ends up being I want all those votes!

Not all people vote for policy wonk reasons you know!

[Missy M]

14. That's what you call objective and then you expect others...

to be civil. I call it catty and petty.

[saracat]

17. I advise candidates on media appearances. I have a media and entertainment background.I am also a

journalist. I suppose you could say I am "petty and catty " for a living. Hey, it is not MY fault that Hillary's people didn't watch out for her.Or am I NOT supposed to mention this? Can't this be discussed?

[MiaCulpa]

16. I haven't picked a 'favorite' yet...

but I thought Hillary did a fine job. The color of the suit w/the stage lights(and as others mentioned, dave tapes in the evening, and she is putting in long days) and the colors on the set didn't make her look her 'best' but she did look relaxed and natural.

I also prefer she be upfront about her 'repub values' and remember, old repubs were not like the repubs of today. A lot of substance in her interview, I think she scored some big points.

I think I prefer seeing the relaxed and natural to the always highly coiffed, professionally made up appearance. jmo

[saracat]

28. Thank you for a well thought out objective opinion!

This kind of conversation is how we learn.I had wonderd if it was not better getting the Repug stuff "out of the way " after I got over having taken offense to it.She did indeed seem natural but the colrs were awful.drained her.IMHO.

[Sapphire Blue]

19. Is she a Senator who is also a presidential candidate or is she a beauty pageant contestant?

[saracat]

22. All presidential candidates need to be concerned about their "presentation".

It is part of the job of campaigning. They have "people' who take great pains coordinating outfits and utilizing colors.Some of the men have problems too. This is not a misogynistic post!

[Sapphire Blue]

50. Again, is she a Senator who is also a presidential candidate or is she a beauty pageant contestant?

The "presentation" that I am concerned w/is her stand on issues. Hair and makeup are not included in those issues.

[creeksneakers2]

122. Could the misfit have been intentional?

Her best jokes were based on her pants suits. An slightly ill fitting top called attention to her clothing. The pants suit worked very well as a prop.

With her wit and humor, Hillary came across as a genuine and likable person. Humility and imperfection contradicted the falsehoods of Hillary's corruptly assigned public image. Hillary is not a cold calculating monster. She's a warm person who isn't frightened of letting the public see she has a few flaws.

I thought Hillary came across extremely well and is learning even more about how to effectively campaign. As she stays down to earth, she'll erase misconceptions the public has of her.

[saracat]

128. Interesting point, like saying she is "one of us" when she is a multimillionaire?

She wants to look more like Walmart than Armani? Dunno.It would be devious and just might work!

[NoPasaran]

51. Dave didn't ask her to find the US on a map of the world

So I'm going to guess "presidential candidate".

[saracat]

61. Hilarious answer!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Colorado Progressive]

20. IMO she lacks the charisma Obama and Edwards, and Bill C have but

I will vote for her if she's the Dem candidate.

And as a woman, I want to see a woman in the white house.

[Colobo]

25. And as a Latin American of African descent, I wanna see a black man in the WH

Redemption time.

[jenmito]

30. As a white woman with Black and Indian nieces and nephews, I wanna see a Black man in the WH.

Black men used to be lynched for looking at a white woman. Redemption time. :hi:

[saracat]

32. But did you watch Letterman? That is what this thread is about!

[jenmito]

46. I saw it and agree with everything you said!

And I don't work in the business. :)

[Colorado Progressive]

86. Yes Saracat I saw it, she looked tired and such, but she is 60ish, right?

I have always thought Hilary Clinton was a beautiful woman, in many ways. Her performance on Letterman did not make me feel drawn to vote for her. I like her, I just wonder why she has such a hard time getting through to people. She is brilliant and compassionate and everything this country needs, yet she isnt as inspiring as she could be.

[onewholaughsatfools]

121. i never watch bush, so

of course i never watch hillary, they are the same people as far as i am concerned.

[flying rabbit]

139. As a white male

I want to see a good president in office-Race, sex, religious and sexual orientation don't matter.

[cosmik debris]

23. The camera adds 10 pounds

and she had three cameras on her.

[saracat]

26. Lol! I should go on Mythbusters with that one!

I actually look "thinner" on camera.All people are different!

[cosmik debris]

42. At one point the camera got a side shot of her from seat level

It gave the impression that she had an ass as big as Kansas and thighs the size of sequoias. It was an exceptionally unflattering shot, and definitely gave the wrong impression. I saw her walk on stage and she has a better figure than I do!

But of course that has nothing to do with her politics. But I want to stay out of that, it might be divisive. :)

[yasmina27]

29. I don't care for Hillary

but if she is our party's nominee, I will vote for her rather than any milk-sop presented by the other side.

[saracat]

33. I will to but that isn't the point? Did you watch Letterman?

[yasmina27]

104. No, I didn't know she was on

and I wouldn't have watched it anyway. Nothing against her being on Letterman, but I don't stay up that late. Due to severe back pain, I am on some really "fun" medicine that puts me to sleep at 9PM. I wouldn't have watched any of the other candidates either. I HAVE watched some of the debates, but will pay MUCH more attention as election season really gets rolling. I agree with Al Gore that it's ridiculous how early the campaign has started.

[nevergiveup]

34. I thought Hillary was Hillary

and she did fine. If someone had asked me this morning about Hillary's makeup or what color she was wearing I wouldn't have had a clue. I thought Obama was great on Jon Stewart but if he had appeared wearing an Elvis outfit it probably would not have registered with me and if John Edwards decides on a buzz haircut for the next debate I probably won't notice. I guess I am out of the loop when it comes to this stuff.

[journalist3072]

36. This gets my vote for stupidest post....why the hell are you worried about her clothes and makeup?

She's running for President. How about talking about where she tands on policy?

[Clintonista2]

45. Because Hillary wipes the floor with them on policy issues

That's why 99% of all anti-Hillary posts are about how she's "shrill" and "ugly"

[journalist3072]

48. Exactly!!! This is the kind of mean-spirited B.S. I expect to see on Free Republic, and obviously

some DUers have some sort of sick need to be just like FR.

[Catchawave]

54. um, okay, yer on:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3490445

I hate this shit too :(

[saracat]

59. Your post is one that belongs on another site. I happen to think appearnces matter.

You don't. Tough. My opinion was not mean spirited in the least.Hillary has looked wonderful in other appearnces.this is not so much about her as her "dressers".

[journalist3072]

81. Grow up. eom

[saracat]

95. Back at cha!

[journalist3072]

107. Buy a clue. I'm not the one criticizing a female presidential candidate's make-up, hair and clothes

Sadly, you demonstrate why some people don't take a female presidential candidate (no matter how intelligent or experienced) seriously. Some people have only been trained to look at a woman for her outward appearances, and not for her intelligence/intellect.

Have you ever come on here to criticize one of the male candidate's clothes and hair?

[saracat]

109. Yes.And I regularly "criticize" male candidates during candidate prep.Have you ever heard of

Emily's List? They exclusively work with female candidates and one of the first things they do is go through a candidate's closet and deal with her wardrobe.They also have classes on media presentation.BTW, Hillary is a member of Emily's List as am I!

[jenmito]

110. I have a question re: Edwards' suits...

since you know about these things, one thing that REALLY bugs me is how Edwards' suit jackets always look too small or just ill-fitting, as his shirt is ALWAYS exposed under the one button he does up on his suit jacket. When he pumps his fist in the air, same thing, and he looks like a little boy in a suit to me. Any comment? TIA. :hi:

[saracat]

114. I haven't seen Edwards in a suit for awhile but he has been wearing badly fitting jeans

that bag at the butt and I can't figure out that either. Any time I have seen his suits they have been beautifully tailored.I have no idea what you are talking about with the shirt being exposed.One can always see the shirt and it is proper to only do up one button on a jacket.Maybe he shouldn't be "pumping his arm up"? I vaguely recall that gesture from 2004 and thinking for many reasons it was not a great gesture.

[jenmito]

115. I agree about the jeans thing,

but you never noticed that even when he's just walking his shirt is showing, unlike any of the others even when they have just one button done?

[jgraz]

116. Even as hyperbole, that's not even close to true

I'll give you a break on it. Why don't you show us where 50% of the anti-Hillary posts are about how she's shrill" and "ugly".

Can't do it? How about 20%? 10?


That's like saying 99% of the pro-Hillary posts are just about how she's ahead in the polls. Oh wait, that one is true.

[saracat]

70. Because that is not what most voters care about?

Do you have any idea why most people vote? I assure you for most it is not on policy.

[emilyg]

37. You seem to have a "thing" about what she wears. She was funny, relaxed and beautiful.

[illinoisprogressive]

38. Couldn't say. I did not watch. I never watch when she is on something. I turn.

[Mz Pip]

41. She was a whole lot

better then Miss South Carolina. :eyes:

Okay, so she's not Angelina Jolie or Wynona Ryder. This isn't a beauty contest. She seemed about as relaxed as she can be since she's not a 'natural' in front of the camera.

I'm the last person anyone would consult on what to wear on TV but I suspect if she came out "all dolled up" she would be criticized for that, i.e. too much make-up, too low cut, too tight, too loose, too short, too long, heels too high, too low. Yada, yada, yada.


Mz Pip
:dem:

[Clintonista2]

43. This topic is awful

The author is biased, some basic grammar would be nice (space after periods, anyone?), and capitalizing every "not" is just plain annoying. Discuss.

[ElizabethDC]

44. I, too, have noticed the lack of spaces after periods

if the OP is concerned so much with the way a candidate is packaged and presented, you'd think the poster might pay attention to their own presentation.

[Forkboy]

49. Technically, you should include a period after "periods" and capitalize "if".

:yoiks:

[ElizabethDC]

53. Yes, that is true

but I tend to not bother so much with punctuation at the end/beginning post titles because there seems to be an inherent pause.

[Forkboy]

56. It's cool...I'm just having fun.

I don't really worry about it all as long as I get the point the person is trying to make.I can't judge because I type only slightly better than a horse. :)

[saracat]

65. I apologize for not being a typist. But then typing is not my profession.

[Clintonista2]

72. Modelling is not Hillary's profession either.

I've already made a topic about this. Hillary wipes the floor with the other candidates on policy issues, which is why people like you resort to "Hillary is ugly" to prove a point. Keep doing it, it's the reason MY candidate beats yours by the double digits.

[saracat]

73. Where did I ever say Hillary was "ugly"? I have never said that.. Nor does she have to be a model.

I have always thought Hillary was pretty.She is better looking than Laura as if that mattered.If you are not capable of understanding the difference between well presented and "modeling", I will not belabor the point. Bill Clinton knew about "presentation" and as already noted by another, his Aresenio Hall number is why so many voted for him.He knew how to attract those voters in the general that so many have said they are uninterested in.Oh well.Whatever.

[Clintonista2]

74. "Her clothes were unflattering and too tight , her makeup was bad, and her hair looked awful"

Ahhh, how I love intelligent debate :eyes:

[saracat]

76. That is not the same as "ugly" Sheesh. If Angelina Jolie were in

"unflattering clothes, her makeup was bad, and her hair looked awful," would I be saying she was "ugly"? No.Hillary was not well put together.How hard is that for you to understand?

[Clintonista2]

83. First of all

"Hillary was not put well together" is your biased opinion. I think she was stunning, as usual, and you are the only anti-Hillary DUer who claims otherwise. Secondly, just because you didn't use the word "ugly" doesn't mean you're not calling her just that.


"unflattering clothes, her makeup was bad, and her hair looked awful, in other words, you're beautiful"... yeah right.

[saracat]

90. If you read this thread there are several who agree with me and do not agree with you.

Whatever. You will not accept anything less than someone stating that Hillary is infallible perfection.Have fun.

[Clintonista2]

91. I have no problem with people criticising Hillary

on policy issues. But when you take the level of debate to "you're ugly", it both sickens, and saddens me.

[saracat]

93. I have not said Hillary was UGLY! EVER! They did not do a good job of her hair makeup and clothes

That does not make her ugly! She looked lovely when she announced her candidacy.There are some great videos on her site.She was not done justice on Letterman.I am critical of whomever dressed her. Maybe her good dresser was on vacation?

[ElizabethDC]

89. Well typing isn't my profession either

but that doesn't prevent me from being able to do it properly.

[saracat]

99. Good for you!

[saracat]

63. I am not biased in regard to this subject. I also do not type for a living.

I apologize for having annoyed you. I just wanted to share my observations and find what others thought.

[Skittles]

136. one space after a comma, two after a period

:) otherwise it truly is hard on those with old peepers :D

[Skittles]

135. self-delete

;o

[Mass]

47. I do not think it is a big secret that you do not like Hillary and like the Edwards.

Can we come back to issues now. I have not seen the show, but know how subjective these issues are. You did not like her in the show. Other may have thought differently. Who cares? (except if you need a Barbie or Ken doll for president).

[saracat]

66. I guess I was wrong to share my observations.I will not do so again.

[Clintonista2]

87. Thanks.

[saracat]

98. I suppose I should also not post when I think she looks great, which I have also done?

Or do you think I should continue to point out when she looks good?

[Forkboy]

52. I didn't see it, but how she looked doesn't concern me in the slightest.

:shrug:

[candice]

58. I agree, although she does look good in the photo given below...

[saracat]

68. And that is fine.Criminy! I was just asking for opinions.

[Adelante]

55. She looks good here

[ronnykmarshall]

67. I love that picture!!!

She was having a great time.

I loved when she came out they the band played "Born to Run".

Rock on, Hillary!

[saracat]

69. She does look good there but that is a good angle.Many were NOT so flattering!

And the lighting is much better in that pic! Whatever.

[Lucinda]

84. Well...if you are in the business that you claim you are

then you know that she has no control of camera angles. And she has a pear shaped figure...1 + 1 = occasionally unflattering pics...regardless what she wears.

[saracat]

92. She might not have control over camera angles but she can sit and look certain ways to

better effect.And she can certainly dress better.I am a pear as well.And little secret here, if she had a good advance person or PR person, she could control those camera angles.Many people insist on certain shots.She has enough clout that she could.But that is not as important as the general overall effect.It is strange because sometimes she looks fabulous.

[calteacherguy]

100. The Edwards campaign would really, really, really appreciate your expertise.

I know Edwards thinks about these things a lot.

[saracat]

103. All candidates should think about these things. Bill Clinton knew how to use a camera

and so did John Kennedy.Reagan did as well.Despite your contempt, such a skill is desirable in a candidate!

[calteacherguy]

131. Edwards is certainly our most skilled candidate in this area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q

[puebloknot]

130. People are dying in an illgal war in Iraq. How Hillary looks...

...is the very last thing that mature adults should be preoccupied with.

They call us Ugly Americans for a reason, and it has not to do with how we dress but how we behave before the rest of the world, how shallow we are.

No one with two neurons firing cares that Hillary is "a pear." That she enabled an illegal war and should have known better -- that is something we should all be thinking about, and to hell with what color she is wearing, or how ill-fitting is her garment on a given day.

[Lucinda]

82. Great Pic!

She looks wonderful.

[otohara]

108. Looking Good

IMO - great picture.

[tammywammy]

113. She looks great there

edited to add:

Hillary is the kind of woman that ages very nicely. I think she gets prettier each year.

[David Zephyr]

60. The audience loved her. I thought she was terrific.

I saw it 180° the other way. I thought she showed the human side of herself, which her critics are always carping about.

She wasn't the "Ice Queen" last night.

And I think she scored well with men who polls show are to some degree, intimidated by her. Very human.

I thought that she was outstanding.

[ronnykmarshall]

62. I just watched it and I think she was great.

She's more relaxed and having fun.

Hillary really enjoying this campaign. I saw that in person when she was here last month.

[alfredo]

77. She did OK. She didn't hurt herself. Her top ten was funny.

The pantsuit bit was so so.

I think she is aging well. I'm glad she hasn't gone the nip tuck route. Wrinkles are sexier than desperation. Rugs and comb-overs on men, fake boobs and nip tucks on women sends up a red flag for me. The candidates that are happy in their own skin are appealing to me.

Every one of our candidates outshine the Reps. Hillary and Biden are the intellectual heavyweights, Obama inspires, Edwards and Kucinich appeal to that populist in me.

I'm starting to see Obama as a much better campaigner than I thought at first. I saw him as a very appealing candidate, but I didn't see him as a smart campaigner like Hillary. But he's getting in his shots and if he makes a gaff, he seems good at either lessening bad reactions, and at times, turning it to his favor.

If Hillary wins the nod, her competence will be her strong suit. Rudy is deeply flawed, Romney shallow, Thompson will not excite. Huckabee is the only one that has any charisma, but he is a lightweight compared to Hillary.

I would love to see an Obama presidency. His elegance will elevate the office.

[gulliver]

78. She's undoubtedly extremely aware of what you are talking about.

If she was frumpy (and she was), it was probably for a reason. She was, as usual, utterly poised. She's good. I'm starting to see a vote for Hillary as just a way of voting to get us back on the Clinton track. I miss the 90's more with every passing day. No daily war casualities and atrocities, low deficits, good stock and housing markets, low gas prices, a president who didn't come off as a stammering, blithering idiot in every news conference... I want those days back.

[libodem]

80. I wouldn't trade jobs with her for the world

[fujiyama]

85. That "republican values" thing made me cringe

I really don't know what she was getting at...

Is working hard a "conservative" or "republican" value? And I thought it was interesting how she never mentioned the word "liberal" once. Why can't she admit that college made her more liberal? Sure, she pretty much made that point, but it's amazing how democrats (not just her), are just so afraid of the word.

For the most part I thought she was alright. She seemed laid back and got along well with Letterman (didn't know she had been on seven times), but I still can't bring myself to trust her on anything and she still strikes me as having no political principles or beliefs whatsoever.

[creeksneakers2]

124. She was talking about individualism

Individualism is something I admired about conservatives before they became wingholes. Americans do great things individually and they do great things together. A good leader can balance the two.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

88. YouTube link...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MkhDwRUq1Wc

I thought she looked fine.

As far as her talking about her Republican values, remember that she is already running a general election campaign. And talking about her Republican values is smart strategy for her campaign, especially in this venue. The average American thinks HRC is a radical liberal feminist who hates men. This shows them otherwise.

[avrdream]

94. Yay!!! Finally a link for those of us far away from U.S. television.

I saw the top ten clip and thought she did fine. I didn't laugh a bunch about the number one reason but that's okay.

Just so you know, Hillary is my candidate, but, for the very first time, I agree with saracat about one thing. I agree that a few of the camera angles weren't flattering.

Now that we have agreed saracat, could we have a thread just like this for Obama or Edwards or Kucinich or Dodds or, for that matter, ANYONE else. I challenge you to start it the same way with a reflection on how tired they look, how unflattering the camera angles are and so forth. Sorry but this screams of sexism to me.

[saracat]

97. Actually, I used to comment on Kerry in 04. And no one else was on

Letterman for me to critique! Gore used to drive me nuts with the idiots who told him to wear earth tones. Most of the "guys" this season are all wearing the same outfit.Sometimes they all even have the same color tie with their dark suits.I have noticed Edwards has sometimes appeared drawn and tired during some of the Debates and Kucinich has a badly fitted suit but there isn't that much to talk about with the men.Yet.
Worst look I have seen on a male candidate is Romney in his commercial in jogging shorts.he looks dreadful!

[avrdream]

101. Thanks for your fairness in addressing this matter.

Out of respect for those of us who legitimately support Hillary, could you please include other candidates in your analysis at the beginning of the thread?

You usually come across as a Hillary-hater but this thread made me wonder otherwise....maybe you are just forcing us supporters to explain ourselves. I agree to do this if others would please do the same - tell me why I should be supporting the other candidates in the primary.

Thanks.

[saracat]

102. I do not "hate " Hillary.I do not support her in the Primary But that is not what this thread was

about. I was critiquing the Letterman appearance and asked for discussion, that is all.To do as you suggest would be thread jacking!I cannot change or add to the beginning thread as the editing time has passed.In any event, no other candidates were on this Letterman appearance so how could I include them? And what does any of this have to do with supporting anyone? It was merely a comment on presentation. Perhaps you would like to start a thread that asks your question and I could respond?

[calteacherguy]

96. Just watched it. Don't care for beige, and her collar was messed up.

I'm sure Edwards would not allow such a thing to happen, but I guess she's not that hung up on such things Friday nite on Letterman?

I don't support her for he nomination, by the way. I'd prefer Obama.

[Perry Logan]

105. Isn't saying you're going to be flamed a form of flaming?

[BeyondGeography]

106. She looks the way she looks...pretty attractive for 59 or however old she is

There are faults, as you point out, but at least she looks natural. There's a lot of activity going on from the neck up and her face is very interesting to look at...she sometimes makes these canned expressions that result in those awful photos with her eyes bugging out that make her look phony, which is too bad because the camera can be her friend and, for all her posturing, she comes off as very substantial, even if all that brain power is too often sacrificed to calculation.

It's also too bad that she doesn't let us in very much. You saw that on Letterman with a couple of questions, one about Chelsea and the other about Larry Craig. Both were softballs and she did absolutely nothing with them. Tell us how much you love your daughter and how proud you are of her! Give us a funny/touching anecdote about what it's been like to see her grow up and watch her in her 20's. Instead, she gave this descriptive answer devoid of any feeling that Letterman almost made fun of. With Larry Craig, she was too diplomatic for my tastes and, again, too impersonal given that she has been through sex scandal hell herself.

In the end, it was fascinating to watch. She can be a very closed-off woman; even her biographers can't figure her out after years of study. She's also compelling enough to make you want to know more. You could see all of that on display the other night.

[Sparkly]

111. I didn't see it, but have a question.

From the OP:
She also stressed her "Republican values way to much.And said she was "still guided by them"

Did she actually say "Republican values?" If not, what's this referring to?

[saracat]

112. I believe she did. Others in the thread have commented on this as well.

She talked about being "raised Republican and something about the values of work etcc and hoe she still believes in those today.Words to that effect.The video is on this thread.

[knitter4democracy]

117. You know what I loved about her appearance? Her wrinkles.

She has wrinkles, and I love it! She hasn't had massive work done to make herself look younger, and I love that an older woman who's been through a lot has zero shame in looking her age. Heck, it's almost enough to make me vote for her in the primary. ;)

[tammywammy]

118. Okay, I just watched it

I thought that she did okay. I thought her hair and makeup were nice too. The color of her suit was nice. I didn't care for the way the jacket fitted though. But I was thinking that it might be because of those chairs. The chair is was in seemed like it's "high" off the ground and has a big base to sit in. I know that I look frumpy when I sit in one of those, you can't seem to sit up straight.

BTW, I loved her top ten. Very funny.

[tridim]

119. I'm not a Hillary fan, but I thought she did great on Letterman

She seems much more natural and easy going than I expected.

[tammywammy]

120. I agree

She seemed very at ease. And she looked natural.

[plusfiftyfive]

127. I watched her on Youtube

And I'm not a real Hillary supporter, and yet I thought she did OK for herself.
I don't rate her on how she looks, (Do we rate male candidates on that, duplicitousness?), I rate her on how forthright she is, how human she appears, how she can joke about herself.

She did OK. But I don't think she should give up her REAL day job, which is being a US Senator.

[jgraz]

129. I thought she did OK, even with the 21st Century Realty outfit

Her "first woman president" schtick may find some resonance with undecided Dems, even though I find it incredibly cynical.

[treestar]

132. You've covered her appearance and clothing; care to say anything

about the issues?

Maybe Obama and Edwards would have had better clothes and make-up.

[saracat]

133. I have commented on the issues on other threads.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

137. Well, Edwards would've certainly spent more on clothes, make-up, and hair. Not sure

that they would've actually been better though.

[saltpoint]

134. Well, I can hardly blame her for being a bit off-stride. The show's

producers should have warned her in advance that she was chosen as the object for the Will It Float segment.

Leaving her in the dark and then springing it on her at the last minute wasn't very professional, IMO.

Although she did sound pretty good on that medley from A CHORUS LINE with Rupert.