This is directed at you anti-abortionist & "right" to lifers

[Stargazer99]

I wish I could kick everyone of your stupid, ignorant, self-centered butts. Abortion, sex education should be available to the poor for free since this culture doesn't seem to understand "freedom to be in need is no freedom at all". Oh, you have your lovely RW myths that anyone can find a living wage job with medical and retirement. Wake up stupid that used to be when we had unions and jobs were not outsourced. Just because you are not screwed is no sign no one else is by this system. I come from a poor family of 7. Only two have made it out of this nightmare we call poverty. They did it by marrying a educated and gifted man and the other one is extremely intellegent and talented. Your self-congradulated sense of "morality" by being anti-abortion somehow takes a walk when it comes to sufficient income to survive. One of the more stupid comments that Mr. President said was that medical care was available to the poor all they have to do is go to the emergency room. What in the hell are you using for brains? Emergency room is extremely expensive and when the debt collector and garnishment comes how in the hell do you think the poor person is going to pay the rent? Another piece of RW stupidity is when a woman told the president she had to work three jobs. President's response was well that is typicaly American. Oh, really Mr. President who watching the kids? When the single mother gets screwed over by the auto mechanic who's going to feed the kids? Apparently car repairs are only cheap for those with money. How is this single mother going to get to work? She'd be a lot better off without children and so would the kids! I've seen it time and again...the employer needs the single mother certain hours and she can't pay the childcare so we have latch key kids. A sexual preditor's delight and you wonder what is wrong with this country! How stupid can you get? That safety net you like to imagine is just a denial of reality...shredded. But it is a nice comfort when you deal with your "morality". What is so moral about letting children live in the hell of poverty? I for one coming from poverty would have welcomed death before I ever had to go through this "life".I do not thank you for this agony you call life..
I am begining to hate this nation..it is run by those that own the means of production and anyone that doesn't own is consigned to a life of hell unless you are gifted and intellegent beyond the average person. When a child dies from an infected tooth because dentist must be paid their fee and this society thinks it isn't their responsibility to see illness, death and pain addressed and is to be ignored, the culture and society leaves something to be desired. Godless and rotten worshipers of the god called mammon. Do I sound angry? I wonder why? Could it be that I've tried all your ideals and still I suffer.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

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:hug: I understand. thank you for the rant! people really need to see this.

[johnfunk]

70. oops -- posted to wrong reply...

[FormerDittoHead]

73. If free abortions lowered taxes for the rich, conservatives would REQUIRE them.. n/t

It's all about lowering taxes for the rich and using the government to manipulate the markets to make the rich (who own and control the corporations) more wealthy.

Anything else is just window dressing and bullshit.

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[PDJane]

3. Why shouldn't abortion be free?

Why shouldn't all health care be free? Why should health care not be a right?

Oh, yeah, you don't like to pay taxes. Paying taxes is the price you pay for living in a country with water and power and roads and education.

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[Vickers]

5. "when someone got pregnant at a lustful drunken party"

Wow, you seem completely fucked up in the head. Not trying to be offensive, just a casual observation.

Hope this helps.

But seriously, a "lustful drunken party" is something to yearn for, isn't it? :shrug:

[Skittles]

84. that type of comment is typical of a conservative piece of shit

:puke:

[PDJane]

6. No.

That's simply more of the same kind of thinking that gave you private health care in the first place.

Tax alcohol and tobacco and unhealthy food, and put that cash into the medical system.

Everyone deserves health care. Unnecessary plastic surgery is probably the only thing I wouldn't agree to cover, but that only if it isn't a medical necessity. There is such a thing as necessary plastic surgery, yes; burn victims and birth defects come to mind.

Deciding that folks who don't meet your standards of behaviour are somehow not worth saving or keeping is just another one of those finger-pointing, blaming things that Americans are so prone to.

[Joe Bacon]

7. Really?????

I didn't select my genes which gave me rheumatoid arthritis and diabetes. Show me how I am supposed to take "personal responsibility" for what is written in my DNA.

I'm waiting...

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[Joe Bacon]

16. Answer me this Mr Ron Paul Supporter

Your beloved Ron Paul supports NO FORM of Health Insurance. Since your beloved Ron Paul is of the Grover Norquist "Drown Government In The Bathtub" school, how do you create your "free" coverage scheme? Oh, silly me, I forgot, The CHURCHES, right???? I got to go beg for help from the churches because of my Type 1 diabetes--beg them for test strips.

You and your pal Ron Paul never read any Charles Dickens, have you?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

40. Are you able to determine by looking at someone and taking their application

what they did for exercise the previous day? week? month?

[tkmorris]

10. EVERYONE CHECK THIS OUT

Bye-bye TruePatriot44.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=18680#post18680

[sakabatou]

20. The end is nigh for TP44

[caseycoon]

65. Oh golly gee!!

I don't think they like us there.....
:rofl:

[Clintonista2]

11. "Why should taxpayers pay for someone's lung cancer treatment when they smoked all their life?"

Because in a civilized society, health is a right, not a privilege. The problem with people like you, is that you take a small group (E.g- people who smoke all their life), and try to use that group to represent the whole population. In Philosophy, that's a logical fallacy called a "hasty generalization".

Look, I can use your own logic to prove anything. I'll prove that we should abolish the U.S postal service: "Why should I support it when you have people sending letters to convicted felons in prison?!"

Here's an argument to abolish the U.S senate- "Why should I support it when they have sex in public restrooms?"

See? you can use your "logic" to prove anything, "Patriot" :eyes:

[tkmorris]

12. He's a Ron Paul supporter.

Check my link in post 10. The dude isn't even bright enough to pick a unique username.

[Clintonista2]

15. LOLOLOL!

They really are sharp.

[Joe Bacon]

19. Yeah they are a sharp as a limp noodle

Ron Paul says that nobody was in poverty before the Great Depression. Well, Rancid Ron never met my grandmother who lived through it. Grandma still remembered the hell of poor farms and poor houses which FDR and Social Security alleviated.

Ron Paul lives in his Ayn Randian LASSEIZ FAIRYLAND® where anything goes and every problem is solved by THE INVISIBLE HAND of the FREE MARKET. One sees the ol' I.H. especially after they snort a lot of fairy dust...

[Colorado Progressive]

86. that asshole also missed my g-grandma dying from a botched abortion

Ron Paul is an asswipe, period

[Stargazer99]

34. Cigarette makers have put things into cigarettes to hook

the smoker (that's their fault?)Some people's body is more subject to addiction than others (the non addicted are morally superior Smoking usually eases tension and this culture is full of anxiety, tension, competititon and you name it. Instead of dealing with the causes blame the person.

[Clintonista2]

39. excellent point

"blame the person" is always the first response for these people. "You need an abortion? Should have kept your legs closed", "You need medical treatment? Shouldn't have gotten sick."

[Anaxamander]

74. re

"You need an abortion? Should have kept your legs closed"

I don't see what's so unreasonable about that. Girls do choose whether or not to have sex. Are we really opposed to ANY kind of personal responsibility?

[left is right]

59. Not to mention

that cigarette companies provided free smokes to soldiers of both WWI and WWII. Young men who may have never started smoking were setup for addiction to tobacco and when they came home their wives and sweethearts started to smoke right along with them. Two generations started to smoke because tobacco companies used the wars as a marketing tool.

[Stargazer99]

18. Well, isn't it wonderful that you are so put together that you can

take care of yourself. You need some real pain in your life to smarten you up. No one does things to destroy themselves without major problems being involved. Common sense would tell you that much. When someone does something that hurts themselves something is radically wrong it goes against human instinct. So damn simple even a moron could figure that out. But an ignorant prediduced mind cannot. Responsibility is a two way street, not only from the malfunctioning person but also from a malfunctioning society.

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[Vickers]

32. "I am legally handicap" Seriously, why can't you pudknockers SPELL?

:shrug:

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[HCE SuiGeneris]

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[Clintonista2]

41. So your response to

A mortally ill grandmother, dying of lung cancer, without health insurance is: "We're not treating you because it's your fault"- People like you are repulsive.

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[Clintonista2]

48. We both know your stance has nothing to do with debt

If there was a fully functioning single payer universal health care system today, you and your candidate would oppose it, regardless of its cost.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

50. What's your plan to care for FORTY million uninsured

that may end up on the street because of your incredibly short-sightedness? Yes -- 40 million, 1 out of every 7 to 8 people without health care. How many of those FORTY million are children not sitting around drinking the soda pop you saddle these people with? Open your f'n eyes. Ron Paul may have some innovative ideas... however, not taking care of an 1/8 of our population is certainly not innovative.

[tkmorris]

55. He doesn't have a plan

He'd let them die. The key to being a true Libertarian in the Ron Paul mode is to not give a tinker's damn about anyone but YOU. If he and Ayn Rand had a child it would resemble the Doomsday Machine from the old Star Trek series.

[Clintonista2]

46. .

[HCE SuiGeneris]

37. Why should people in ill health be discarded on the curb?

Is that socially acceptable to you?

[Clintonista2]

42. Because it costs him money

Don't forget, money is what motivates these people 100%. They literally won't spare a dime if it would save your life.

[JTFrog]

44. fucking trolls.

why is this guy still here?

[Nutmegger]

45. Oooga boooga! Single payer health care!

I'm just a commie who believes that health care in a right, not a privilege.

[FormerDittoHead]

72. Lower taxes - THAT'S their religion - they don't give a shit about "life"... (rant)

They don't care about Christianity. They don't care about the constitution as they talk about it with religious reverence. They don't care about "life". That's all bullshit.

"Conservatives" use abortion to manipulate Christians into voting for their candidates. That's it with abortion as Conservatives go.

Their only use of Christianity and the constitution, for that matter, is to cherry pick what they want to further their true agenda of lowering taxes for the rich. They don't have "principles". They don't have "morals".

They only care about getting elected and lowering taxes for the rich and using the government to manipulate the economy to make the rich more wealthy.

There is not ONE THING THEY'VE EVER DONE that resulted in increasing the proportion of taxes that the rich pay over lower classes. You'd think there'd do something that would raise taxes for the rich out of sheer coincidence, just once, but THAT is the ONE line they will NEVER CROSS.

"Conservatives" (those simple minded enough to ignore history and reality and believe that an Ayn Rand State can ever be possible) believe that government shouldn't tell them how to run their lives in any way. For example, William F. Buckley Jr., (and, last I checked, he was a conservative) believes that drugs should be legalized, and that government shouldn't intrude in our personal lives. But such things really don't fly when it comes to election time, so such things aren't talked about, except maybe on talk radio from time to time.

Conservatives really don't care what direction society takes. They're amoral. Such things are a matter of the "market" (ie: rich people in control). Look at how much music, TV and movies reflect Christian ideals as they used to. Like, 6 movies a year? Why doesn't Fox movies make a slew of Christian movies to serve the market that will demand them? BECAUSE THE MARKET DOESN'T DEMAND THEM. They'd LOSE MONEY cranking out more "angel" movies than they do already (with football playing dogs, no doubt).

Conservatives don't care about the many movies at Blockbuster are about torturing and killing people which are rented out the the "bible belt". That's because they're not real Christians. Again, the only point that conservatives are Christians are to get the votes needed to win elections to lower taxes to the rich. If that means uneducated, sick poor people when just a little money would make a world of difference, so be it - fuck 'em. They don't care about the "troops" either...

Conservatives are as likely to propose concentration camps as they oppose abortion if it would get them elected and would lower taxes for the rich. They don't give a rat's ass for "life".

In the end, Conservatives are FASCISTS - just like Ayn Rand was.

[Stargazer99]

8. D

And you think this self-rightous attitude that abortion should not be free if one cannot afford it. The need for abortion services are caused by a lot more than just self-indulgence,shows your ignorance and willingness to judge another. And what about the child? What makes you think that child will have the love and if born of a poor woman the sufficient basic needs supplied? The only thing that matters is "damn maybe that will teacher her to have sex"? I got news for you the social safety net is in tatteres for many people. How many. girls face incest or sexual molestation by family members at a young age. Do you have any concept what that does to a young girl who is hungry for a father's love? If you have the intellegence think how that twists that young mind. A young child knows by instinct that if it is not loved it will probably not live. But to understand that takes a little knowledge that young mind is not developed enough to counter those circumstances. Which reminds me a few years ago an 11 year old girl was made pregnant by her grandfather. What makes you think this child's mind is developed enough to know how this will affect her. Sounds to me like you are not educated only opinionated. And stuff like this happens every day of the year. Mental health services would help heal the breach in healthy relating to the opposite sex, but then again the poor don't receive it because of money. Maybe you need to deal with some of your own issues with sex.

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[Stargazer99]

22. I got news for you sexual abuse is often the core problem

You still want to ride the high horse of so called morality...I challenge you to do some honest research of the lives of prostitutes and what this abuse does to girls who grow up with damaged personalities. But again I don't think you will because you get too much of a payoff with your attitude.Responsibility, I again repeat is a two way street, the culture and society are not innocent bystanders in many cases.
An emotionally healthy woman does not use abortion as pregnancy prevention. There will always be some irresponsible individuals but I bet they are in the minority. And why should the woman give up the child for adoption? Is she a brood incubator for "respectible" people?

[Joe Bacon]

23. Let me give you a taste of the real world

In the early 80s, I found myself taking Social Security and SSI disability applications from teenagers diagnosed with AIDS and HIV in Hollywood. I sat there and listened to innocent child after child pour their heart out about how they were UNWANTED and UNLOVED and they ran away to Hollywood for a life of dreams that instead turned into a downward spiral of prostitution and drug use. It broke my heart hearing how they had been abused especially by places private charity, your INVISIBLE HAND, allegedly set up to help them...

Life isn't always the LASSEIZ FAIRYLAND that Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman claim it is. For the vast majority of people in this country, they barely get by each day.

[southerncrone]

35. You have no idea what you are talking about.

What about the men who father these babies? Why aren't you vilifying them?

Fact is there are not a lot of people using abortion as birth control. If you'd ever had an abortion, you'd know that!! Women do not have abortions for fun & games. It is a last option for most. If birth control were made acceptable & more readily available to "poor" women & if men would take some responsibility for birth control, this would be a minimal action.

Many "poor" women do give their children up for adoption. That is a very difficult thing to do for a woman, rich or poor.

Couples do not have to go to China to adopt, it's a "status" thing these days that pathetic, keeping-up- w/the-Jones couples do because they are needy for attention & think it's "cool". Any welfare worker will tell you there are thousands of kids in America that are waiting for adoption.

Why don't you adopt a needy child, since you are so worried about making sure children are born into this sad & sick world instead of being aborted?
Put your money where your mouth is!!!!

Right....didn't think so......

[tkmorris]

56. Are you kidding?

Adoption agencies have enormous logs of children nobody wants to adopt. Are you really claiming there is some kind of shortage? You need to get out of the basement more my friend. You really have no idea what the real world is like.

[Stargazer99]

13. And again if I had never had this "wonderful life"

it wouldn't have hurt my feelings at all...there would have been a lot of grief not experienced. If aborted I would never had known the difference. And the four sibling that suffer from mental retardation would never had to experience the shame and hurt this culture is so quick to give to those that don't "measure up" to their expectations. Perhaps you can tell my retarded sister that the week she spent locked up in a basement with a damaged ear because the "family" she was babysitting for hit her ear with the metal belt buckle how wonderful life is. Thanks to a policeman he heard her cries from that locked basement and freed her but her hearing will never be the same. Wakeup and expand your intellegence beyond simple judgment.

[Stargazer99]

14. And again if I had never had this "wonderful life"

it wouldn't have hurt my feelings at all...there would have been a lot of grief not experienced. If aborted I would never had known the difference. And the four sibling that suffer from mental retardation would never had to experience the shame and hurt this culture is so quick to give to those that don't "measure up" to their expectations. Perhaps you can tell my retarded sister that the week she spent locked up in a basement with a damaged ear because the "family" she was babysitting for hit her ear with the metal belt buckle how wonderful life is. Thanks to a policeman he heard her cries from that locked basement and freed her but her hearing will never be the same. Wakeup and expand your intellegence beyond simple judgment.

[2rth2pwr]

21. If you truly wish you had

been aborted, I would recommend that you talk to a mental health professional asap.

[Stargazer99]

27. I have talked to a mental health person

That cannot solve the problem of poverty or the sick patterns of abuse given to my children because I could not get help fast enough to show them a healthy way of living. And one of the reasons is staying with the abuser because I could not provide for my children without that help. Leave your abuser and you live with need and not able to provide your children enough time to help them grow and give them safety of being there when needed (who is taking care of the children while you are working? realtives? you gotta be kidding! It takes an hour and half to get home each way from work. Meanwhile your children must get up at 5am in the morning and walk to the sitters and must sit on the daveno and do nothing until school time. At least when with the abuser the children could get up at a good hour and I could walk them to school (a sexual preditor had tried to get one of them). Yah, you tell me how easy it is. The reality is the situation is so difficult that you will not look at it because there is no solution. A social worker cannot change the situation in which one lives when options are not available. yes, I am angry and frustrated and it is no damn wonder.

[Suich]

47. Welcome to DU, 2rth2pwr!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[2rth2pwr]

54. Hi, Thanks! nt

[Bluebear]

26. oooh, a **TRUE** patriot! Swoon!

:silly:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

31. What a patriot,

and such a silky tongue... Reeowww! I'ma twitching to spread my legs.

[orleans]

52. BOO!

now, should the taxpayers pay for your heart surgery since i just gave you a heart attack because you were sitting on your ass at your computer instead of exercising, watching your diet, and getting a good night's sleep? according to you the answer is NO.

or when you slip in the tub and break your hip should the taxpayers have to pay for your hip surgery because you were just too stupid to put down a bathmat or any other preventative measure that would have allowed you to avoid the fall?

according to you the answer is NO.

[Control-Z]

57. couldn't keep your legs shut?

I can't believe those words came out of your mouth. You're a fucking pig.

[corkhead]

58. I'm not a communist like you think true parrot,

I think all 11 year old girls should be given a book containing hundreds of vouchers for free abortions that can be used at the private doctor of her choice, without some silly nanny government interfering.

oh, and by the way, enjoy your brief stay:hi:

[zanne]

60. Is TruePatriot44 still with us?

There are no words. OK, there are. I usually don't do this early in the morning, but TruePatriot, you can KISS MINE!

[Cirque du So-What]

62. Lusty KICK

[southerncrone]

24. Tell it, Stargazer!

[TwilightGardener]

25. Disagree with free abortions. I don't agree with taxpayer-funded

abortions.

[Joe Bacon]

29. well, do you oppose taxpayer-funded blood transfusions?

Remember that Jehovah's Witnesses oppose blood transfusions according to their doctrine. If your oppose a procedure based on your morality or religion, then you open the door for everything to be denied on the same grounds.

[TwilightGardener]

33. Most abortions are not medically necessary/life-saving procedures--

they are simply a choice not to have a baby. I am personally pro-life, but I believe abortion should be kept legal, because I don't feel I should impose my personal beliefs on other women. However, a government using taxpayer money to fund abortions is violating MY personal beliefs--I have no desire to participate in the process of ending a life. Pay for it yourselves, please--leave me out of it, the same way I stay out of YOUR decisions.

[Stargazer99]

36. When a society doesn't have the means or the will to support

it citizens with employment or business ownership that is a stacked deck.

[saracat]

51. My that is the same argument the RW in my state use against "Clean Elections"

They say that they don't want public money, never mind that it comes from "fine".s for criminal behavior, paying for candidates they may not support! So apparently the young girl who is raped gets to have her life ruined because she doesn't have the money to pay for the abortion or the young mother will have to deprive her children of food because she is forced into having another child that she can't afford.Damn straight it is a choice not to have a baby and that choice should be available to ALL women regardless of their financial circumstances.You say you don't want to impose your religious beliefs other women but you think it is okay to impose them on women who are to poor to protect themselves? How does someone like you sleep at night? Do you have any compassion at all?

[Clintonista2]

53. Sara, for once in my life, I agree with you 100%

He's missing the point, which is, you lose the freedom to choose if you can't afford the cost. It's like saying "I believe every American should have full health care, but they should have to pay for it"

[LostinVA]

61. You mean you're anti-choice

It's your belief, so be honest with it.

"Pro life" is RW framing, which isn't allowed here.

[TwilightGardener]

63. Pro-life" is RW framing? So...I'm not allowed to hold Catholic beliefs

and still be a member of DU? I believe life begins at conception. I won't apologize or lie about that. I also believe abortion should be kept legal for the many folks who DON'T believe that concept. Respect needs to run both ways--I am entitled to my beliefs, and I am entitled to tell my government that I prefer not to use the tax money I contribute for an elective procedure that goes agaisnt those beliefs. Women can have all the abortions they want--go crazy. I do not support overturning R v W. But if I believe that something is morally wrong, why the hell should I be forced to pay for it anyway? I also believe the Iraq War is morally wrong, and I'm being forced to pay for that too.

[LostinVA]

66. Yes, it is RW framing

And, before you start accusing me of being anti-Catholic, I suggest you look at some of my posts regarding the men and women who serve the Church. Heck, I even stuck up for Pope Rat when posters on here said he had never come out against the Iraq invasion.

When did I state that you don't have a right to your beliefs? I believe I said the opposite: that you do, just to be honest about them. "Pro Life" is a framing device used by the RW to deny abortions to women. The term is "Anti Choice" if you post on a progressive message board. Hey, I didn't invent the framing devices, the RW/anti choice people did.

[TwilightGardener]

69. I don't use anti-choice to describe myself because...I'm pro-choice. So I use

the term "pro-life", even though I know it's meant to imply that people who believe in legal abortion are somehow "anti-life". It's a somewhat offensive term, and I am uncomfortable using it, but I am certainly not anti-choice.

[Snarkturian Clone]

85. I'm probably going to get my ass kicked for saying this...

I agree with you on this one. I am pro-choice and believe that abortion is taking a life. It is possible to have that opinion.

Where we disagree is that I believe that women should have a right to choose in the most absolute terms, so I support my taxes funding abortions.

I am not, however, going to deny that a life has been taken. Sometimes there are necessary evils in this world.

I'd hate to post and run, but I have to go to bed so I'm probably going to wake up tomorrow and look at this thread and see a bunch of people calling me anti-choice and a fascist and all that jazz, but I'm sticking to my principles here.

:hide:

[ourbluenation]

76. I have a simple solution for you. don't have an abortion. The end.

[TwilightGardener]

80. I won't--and I fucking won't pay for yours either--THE END.

[ourbluenation]

81. I would never have an abortion so no worries. n/t

[Greyhound]

77. Hold any belief you want, just stop trying to force it on everybody else.

Is that simple enough for you to grasp?

[TwilightGardener]

79. Where the fuck am I forcing my beliefs on anyone else? Did you

even READ my post, or are you truly this dense?

[Greyhound]

87. Not nearly as dense as someone that can't, or won't, see how her professed

belief in the invisible man in the clouds is forced on every single person in this nation. So, perhaps you don't personally go around imposing your fantasy on others, but the big club that you are a part of does, and its members, like you, finance and enable it.

We have the right to believe anything we wish here, not the right to impose those beliefs, nor the attendant "morals", on the rest of the population.

[tkmorris]

82. We are ALL forced to pay for things we consider wrong

The list doesn't end with war and abortion my friend. And that is exactly the way it should be. The government should do what we the people want it to do, and pay for what we want it to pay for, through our tax dollars. Individuals and groups do not get to opt out of what they disagree with. Imagine the chaos if they could?

I'm sorry but if you want a government that operates based upon your religious beliefs this isn't the country for you, unless of course the RW gets their way. Be careful what you wish for.

[TwilightGardener]

83. Of course I can't opt out of it. But I'll be DAMNED if I can't fucking disagree.

edit: and why does everyone keep missing the fact that I think abortion should be legal--WTF is up with that? HOW MANY TIMES do I have to repeat myself? Legal, to me, means you're allowed by law to DO it. "Legal" doesn't mean I'm obligated to pay for it, condone it, support it, or fucking drive you to the clinic, or hold your fucking hand, or pay for your fucking OB pads afterwards. Jesus Christ.

[TheDoorbellRang]

64. If we could all just pay taxes on what doesn't go against our personal beliefs

we wouldn't be in Iraq.

[LostinVA]

67. Yup

[TwilightGardener]

68. I addressed that in post #63.

[Lucinda]

89. I have the same viewpoint except

I am willing to financially support women who make that choice due to medical emergency or rape.

It amazes me that people cant understand that you can be pro-other peoples right to choose, and be pro-life at the same time.

[Stargazer99]

30. I know you disagree because you are not in a position where

you would need that kind of help. Life has been too good to you. If you feel so stong that you should not have to pay taxes to help others...where in the hell were you when jobs were being outsourced? Or were you one of the ones "that own the means of production" and outsourcing jobs increased your profit. Or were you in employment that wasn't downsized. When people have decent jobs they can pay for their needs. It is nice that you can keep kidding yourself with the myths of this culture. I'm tired of apologizing and feeling shame for people like you..my feet go into my jeans the same way yours do..the cultural crap the comfortable spout doesn't make it anymore..sell it to someone else, I'm not buying.

[Clintonista2]

49. Then you don't agree with abortion, period.

Someone in that situation, with no financial means to pay for that needed abortion, would lose their right to choose. Coathangers, anyone? It's like saying "you have a right to an attorney, you just have to pay for it"

[ourbluenation]

75. really? only abortions for those that can afford it? wow.

[cd3dem]

71. the so called Christian Right Wingers do not want to pay for...

the so called Christian Right Wingers do not want to pay for abortion... they also do not want to pay for the medical care of a single woman who is pregnant... they do not want to pay for the medical care for the infant and child whose mother lives in poverty without insurance... they do not want to help to get her the education or job skills to get out of poverty... they do not want to pay for the special education services required after the mother did not have the resources to deliver a healthy baby.... they do not want to insure the child grows up with a nutritional diet and a healthy environment to be nurtured and grow.... they do not want to pay for HeadStart or other preschool programs for underprivileged kids... they do not want to pay for after school programs that help kids get off the streets... they do not want to fund the grants needed for these kids to educate themselves and end the cycle of poverty...

but they will pay for the prisons to house them after they get into gangs and turn to crime... they will pay for corporate subsidies so that the trickle down effect will open up minimum wage jobs...

because they are Christians..........

[LWolf]

78. Then why the hell are you posting it here?

If you really want to express yourself on this issue, shouldn't you post it where your target audience is likely to read it?

4.5 years, close to 15,000 posts, and I've yet to find a "right to lifer" on DU.

[BlueIris]

88. Kick.

[sampsonblk]

90. Get help-nt