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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 02:06 PM
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State Democrats react to Edwards and Obama pledge to skip Michigan campaigning
Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and John Edwards have pledged not to campaign in Michigan or Florida, two states that have bucked their party's nomination schedule.

Their announcements, in statements released Saturday by their campaigns, left only Hillary Clinton among the major Democratic candidates to leave open the possibility of competing in Michigan's Jan. 15 primary. Obama and Edwards said they have signed a pledge not to compete in any state holding a primary before Feb. 5 in violation of Democratic National Committee rules. The pledge was circulated on Friday by officials from the four states approved to vote before that date.

There was a swift response from Michigan Democrats.

"This is another move to try to intimidate us, to try to get us to back down," said Debbie Dingell, one of the state's representatives on the Democratic National Committee and the wife of influential Rep. John Dingell. "The Democratic leadership of this state is united to challenge the system. We're prepared to take this to the floor of the convention in the fight to seat out delegates"

"We expect that all of the Democratic candidates for president will be on the ballot in Michigan on January 15th," Gov. Jennifer Granholm said in a written statement. "We hope that every candidate will campaign here."

Granholm had written on Thursday to candidates in both parties, urging them to campaign in the state, and to decline to sign the pledge sought by the four early states. Referring to the economic trends that have battered Michigan, Granholm wrote, "I hope you will recognize that these issues facing the people of Michigan are far more important than the politics of the parties' respective nominating contests."

The announcements Saturday come a week after the DNC's rules committee voted to strip Florida of all its delegates to next summer's national convention as a penalty for violating the schedule rules. National party officials have clearly signaled that Michigan will face the same penalties for moving to Jan. 15. Republican officials have said the states could lose up to half their delegates to the GOP convention as well.

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In bypassing Michigan, Edwards would turn down a chance to compete in a state where he had hoped to do well. His campaign manager, David Bonior, is a former congressman from Macomb County, with deep ties to the state party and the labor unions who hold great sway in Michigan. Edwards has built strong ties to labor himself, backing union organizing campaigns across the country and crafting an economic policy with strong appeal to unions.

"Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina need to be first because in these states ideas count, not just money," said the Edwards statement. "These are places where voters get to look the candidate in the eye and measure their policies, ideas, and integrity. That's why I am signing this pledge. This tried-and-true nominating system is the only way for voters to judge the field based on the quality of the candidate, not the depth of their war chest."

Obama's statement encouraged the states challenging the calendar rules to change their path.

"To become the Democratic nominee for president, a candidate must secure a majority of delegates to the national convention," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said in the statement. "Because states that violate DNC rules will not be allowed to contribute to the delegate tally, we urge all states to ensure their compliance with DNC rules so they can participate in our Democratic nominating process."

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070901/UPDATE/709010415/1022
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 03:02 PM
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1. Wonder how David Bonior of Mich
is handling this conflict. Does he put Edwards' or Michigan's interests first.
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KingofNewOrleans Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 03:16 PM
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2. Given that Edwards has signed the pledge
it looks like Bonoir is putting Edwards first, and rightly so of course. Michigan is the collective entity that has put themselves in this spot. Rules had been laid out by the National Democratic party (which is made up of the state parties) and Michigan chose to ignore those rules.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 06:05 PM
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4. New Hampsire has no right to claim
first go each time. They are not even loyal to the Democratic party. States loyal to the party get seconds. Bull ****.
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KingofNewOrleans Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:18 PM
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6. States should have done something about it last convention when
the bylaws are created and voted on. To pull the stuff some states are trying to do now, at the last minute is the bull**** part. I don't know what the "loyal" thing is either. Is Florida more loyal to the Dem party than NH?
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:34 AM
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15. delegates to the DNC and national convention don't determine
state election laws. The state legislatures do along with the governor. The state legislatures reacted, not those who signed the bogus plan three years ago, giving NH, IA all the fun.
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 03:17 PM
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3. I hope he puts the party first.
Follow the rules and win. Let the DLC have it's way and lose....which is exactly what they want.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 02:29 PM
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17. Wonder if Bonior might ever want to run for office in Mich. again
I suspect this turning against Michigan will hurt his chances.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 06:10 PM
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5. As someone who thinks all the primaries should be on the same day
for the same reason all the final elections should be on the same day, I support a bit of chaos and rebellion here to make the current system collapse so it can be rebuilt. I'd rather have one year when my primary vote doesn't count if the system gets fixed so in future years, my vote has the same power as people in other states.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:34 AM
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7. I fully support the Florida and Michigan Democrats against a Stalinist DNC
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 01:53 AM by IndianaGreen
Perhaps we should change the title of DNC Chair to Party General Secretary, and rename the DNC to Politbureau.

Those ethanol peddlers in Iowa will pay for this, perhaps not this year or next, but most definitely before 2012.

What is more likely to happen is that the snubbed states will fight for their delegations' credentials at the Denver convention to have their delegates seated. If the fight comes to the floor, Dean and his cohorts will suffer the embarrassment of having a majority of delegates voting to seat Florida, Michigan, and anyone else. All of this will happen in the glare of national TV.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:44 AM
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8. I say screw Florida and Michigan
If they got their way, then only the establishment well-known big-money candidates could possibly win the democratic nomination. We would get nothing but DLC types running, and they already have way too much power.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:46 AM
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9. that sounds remarkably like our current scenario. (nt)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:01 AM
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10. In a nutshell, you are supporting Iowa, ethanol, and Archer Daniels Midland
The convention delegates will vote to seat Michigan and Florida, if the fight is taken to the convention floor. The DNC scheme of keeping Iowa and New Hampshire first is not popular with many other states. Their delegates will vote to seat the challenger states just because the will of the voters is more important than the will of Dean's apparatchiks.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:33 AM
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11. Disagree. you got that backwards.
Keeping NH, IA, SC at the forefront is exactly what the DLC wants.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 09:32 AM
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13. You win!
Most ridiculous statement I've seen on DU in a week. Wow. Just wow. the DNC is a stalinist organization. Could any statement be more full of odiferous fecal matter?

No wonder I take everything you say with a mountain of salt.

You should be ashamed.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 05:48 PM
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18. IG you don't know what you're talking about on this subject. (nt)
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 09:29 AM
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12. Isn't this pledge really premature??
If the Michigan and Florida primaries do end up taking place on those earlier dates---Do you REALLY BELIEVE these two states will end up being campaign free zones??? Think about it!!!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 09:33 AM
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14. Yes. They won't touch it. n/t
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:35 AM
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16. Hillary already said she won't campaign there.
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 11:46 AM by cyclezealot
this plan will very much harm the Local Democrats to organize for November. They have little to do with us in Jan., we can have less to do with them, when they come sniffing about in October.
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