Clinton continues strong frontrunner status!

[Tellurian]

08/31/07

Rasmussen:

Clinton 38% .....Obama 21% .....Edwards .....16%

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Hillary Clinton once again enjoys as much support as her top two challengers combined. The former First Lady attracts 38% of the vote from Likely Democratic Voters. Barack Obama is currently the top choice for 21% of Likely Democratic Primary voters while John Edwards attracts 16% (see recent daily numbers). New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson and Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich top the Democrats’ second tier. Both men now earn the votes from 5%.

Clinton is viewed favorably by 76% of Democrats and unfavorably by 23%. Among those within her political party, 40% offer a Very Favorable opinion.

Among Democrats, Obama is viewed favorably by 67% and unfavorably by 27%. Twenty-eight percent (28%) offer a Very Favorable opinion of Obama.

Despite the fact that Clinton and Obama have been leading this race from the beginning, 54% of voters believe it’s at least Somewhat Likely that Democrats will nominate a White Male. That figure includes 24% who see a White Male being nominated as Very Likely. And 48% of voters now say that their family, friends, and co-workers would consider voting for a woman.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/daily_presidential_tracking_poll__1

[Tellurian]

1. Interesting development:

54% of voters believe it’s at least Somewhat Likely that Democrats will nominate a White Male.

However, Hillary is in good standing:

"And 48% of voters now say that their family, friends, and co-workers would consider voting for a woman."

[msongs]

2. but is she a ROCK STAR and do people CRY when she leaves a rally? nt

[Tellurian]

4. I hope NOT!, msongs... I want her in the WH..

not roaming from gig-to-gig with Bill playing sax and Hillary singing:

"Michael rowed the boat ashore, Alleluia!"

I want MY president seen as a force to be reckoned with while fixing Bush's screw-ups!

[plusfiftyfive]

3. To a non-Hillary supporter

This means less than nothing!

Did Hillary ask the President how we were going to extricate ourselves from Iraq before she authorized this war? Did she have a plan in 2002 and make it public? Does she have a plan now? Is it public?

Does Hillary have position papers on all the major issues ? How is Hillary going to implement universal health care, or is she just sloganeering?

I want concrete answers to those questions before I cast a vote for her.. Elvis was popular, too, but I never thought we should elect him President.

[Tellurian]

5. Why yes she does!

Glad you asked.. I'll let you answer your own questions by reading her website.

http://clinton.senate.gov/

Get back to me if you are still perplexed!

[plusfiftyfive]

6. I've scanned her website a dozen times

NOWHERE does she describe how she managed to vote for a war authorization after almost 2 years in the Senate where she knew the likes of George W Bush from 1999 an allowed her vote to be counted for authorizing him to do this.

Nor does she offer any tangible evidence that she voted for other than political considerations in NY.

As for her plan to withdraw troops.....lots of rhetoric, no solid evidence she knows how wars and military bureaucracies work.

[Tellurian]

7. Then check out her voting record..

Let me know what it tells you.

[plusfiftyfive]

16. It tells me she voted for Bush to do whatever he liked

And there WERE people advising strongly against it!

She wasn't listening, she was doing what the stupid constituency wanted her to do

[Tellurian]

36. How can you push such BS with any conscience whatsoever?

Compare And Contrast: Hillary And Obama's Votes On Iraq


By Greg Sargent and Eric Kleefeld

Since the comparison of the Iraq positions over the years of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is one of the hottest issues of the campaign, we thought it would be useful to post a comprehensive comparison of all of their votes on everything relating to the Iraq war.

So here it is: A massive compilation of Iraq-related bills -- and the votes by Hillary and Obama on them, side by side -- beginning in early 2005, when Obama first joined the Senate.


Of the total of 69 votes we compiled -- some significant, some not -- it turns out that the two differed on only one. You'll see that one in bold on our chart. But let us be clear: We are not posting this to suggest that their earlier difference at the start of the war -- their most important difference -- should in any way be overshadowed by these similarities. For many, that difference will remain paramount -- for good reason. We just wanted to add factual grist to what is but one component of the debate.


As you can see, Clinton and Obama have voted the opposite way on only one vote on our list: The confirmation of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff for the Army, held just this past February. Hillary voted against confirmation, while Obama voted to confirm.


Additionally, please don't hold it against us if we missed any important votes. No agenda here, readers. If we did, let us know, and we'll add it immediately. Herewith, our full chart of Iraq votes after the jump.



VOTE

CLINTON
OBAMA

DESCRIPTION

SR38, #4, 02/07/05
Y
Y
A resolution commending the people of Iraq on the January 30, 2005, national elections.

HR1268, #89, 04/12/05
Y
Y
Motion to Waive Sec. 402, S. Con. Res. 95 (108th) "Emergency designation" Re: Murray Amdt. No. 344, As Modified; To provide $1,975,183,000 for medical care for veterans.

HR1268, #90, 04/12/05
Y
Y

Motion to Waive C.B.A. Re: Murray Amdt. No. 344, As Modified; To provide $1,975,183,000 for medical care for veterans.

HR1268, #93, 04/13/05
N
N
Byrd Amdt. No. 367; To reduce by $36,000,000 the amount appropriated for "Military Construction, Army", with the amount of the reduction to be allocated to funds available under that heading for the Camp 6 Detention Facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

HR1268, #96, 04/18/05

Y
Missed Vote

Byrd Amdt. No. 464; To express the sense of the Senate on future requests for funding for military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

HR1268, #103, 04/19/05
Y
Y

Motion to Invoke cloture on HR 1268, As Amended; Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005

HR1268, #104, 04/20/05
N
N

Motion to Table Coburn Amdt. No. 471; To reduce appropriations for the Iraqi embassy to reduce outlays expected to occur in fiscal year 2007 or later.

HR 1268, #109, 04/21/05
Y
Y
H.R. 1268 As Amended; EmergencySupplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005

HR1268, #117, 05/10/05
Y
Y
H. R. 1268 Conference Report; Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005

S1042, #199, 06/21/05
Y
Y
Warner Amdt. No. 1314 as Modified; Toincrease, with an offset, amounts available for the procurement of wheeled vehicles for the Army and the Marine Corps and for armor for such vehicles.

S1042, #205, 07/26/05
N
N

Motion To Invoke Cloture On S. 1042; National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006

HR 2862, #228, 09/14/05
Y
Y

Motion To Suspend Paragraph 4, Rule XVI RE: Dorgan Amdt. No. 1670; To establish a special committee of the Senate to investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts to conduct activities in Afghanistan and Iraq and to fight the war on terrorism.

HR2863, #247, 10/05/05
Y
Y
Is the Amendment No. 1955, as modified,germane to H.R.2863; To authorize appropriations for fiscal year 2006 for military activities of the Department of Defense, for military construction, and for defense activities of the Department of Energy, to prescribe personnel strengths for such fiscal year for the Armed Forces, and for other purposes.

HR2863, #248, 10/05/05
Y
Y

Motion to Waive C.B.A. re: Bayh Amdt. No. 1933; To increase by $360,800,000 amounts appropriated by title IX for Other Procurement, Army, for the procurement of armored Tactical Wheeled Vehicles for units deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and to increase by $5,000,000 amounts appropriated by title IX for Research, Development, Test and Evaluation, Defense-Wide, for industrial preparedness for the implementation of a ballistics engineering research center.

HR2863, #252, 10/05/05
Y
Y

Motion to Invoke Cloture on H.R. 2863;Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006

HR2863, #254, 10/07/05
Y
Y
H.R. 2863 As Amended; Department ofDefense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006

HR3058, #259, 10/19/05
Y
Y

Motion to Suspend Rule XVI, Paragraph 4 Re: Dorgan Amdt. No. 2078; To establish a special committee of the Senate on war and reconstruction contracting.

S1042, #309, 11/08/05
Y
Y
Levin Amdt. No. 2430; To establish a national commission on policies and practices on the treatment of detainees since September 11, 2001.

S1042, #316, 11/10/05
Y
Y
Dorgan Amdt. No. 2476; To establish a special committee of the Senate to investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts to conduct activities in Afghanistan and Iraq and to fight the war on terrorism.

S1042, #318, 11/10/05
Y
Y
Kerry Amdt. No. 2507 As Amended; To require reports on clandestine facilities for the detention of individuals captured in the global war on terrorism.

S1042, #319, 11/10/05
N
N
Graham Amdt. No. 2516; Relating to the review of the status of detainees of the United States Government.

S1042, #322, 11/15/05
Y
Y
Levin Amdt. No. 2519; To clarify andrecommend changes to the policy of the United States on Iraq and to require reports on certain matters relating to Iraq.

S1042, #323, 11/15/05
Y
Y
Warner Amdt. No. 2518; To clarify andrecommend changes to the policy of the United States on Iraq and to require reports on certain matters relating to Iraq.

S1042, #325, 11/15/05
Y
Y
Levin Amdt. No. 2519; To clarify andrecommend changes to the policy of the United States on Iraq and to require reports on certain matters relating to Iraq.

S1042, #326, 11/15/05
Y
Y
S. 1042 As Amended; National DefenseAuthorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006

HR2863, #359, 12/19/05
Y
Y

Motion to Proceed to the Conference Report toAccompany H.R. 2863; Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006

HR1815, #360, 12/19/05
Y
Y

Motion to Proceed to Conference Report to Accompany H.R. 1815; National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2006

HR2863, #364, 12/21/05
N
N

Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Conference Report to Accompany H.R. 2863; Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006

HR2863, #366, 12/21/05
Y
Y
H.R. 2863 Conference Report; Department of Defense, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations to Address Hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico, and Pandemic Influenza Act, 2006

HR4939, #101, 04/27/06
Y
Y
Byrd Amdt. No. 3709; To express the sense of the Senate on requests for funds for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan for fiscal years after fiscal year 2007.

HR4939, #103, 05/02/06
Y
Y

Motion to Invoke Cloture on H.R. 4939;Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Hurricane Recovery, 2006

HR4939, #112, 05/04/06
Y
Y
H.R. 4939 As Amended; EmergencySupplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Hurricane Recovery, 2006

S2766, #168, 06/13/06
Y
Y
Frist Amdt. No. 4208; To express the sense of Congress that the United States Armed Forces, the intelligence community, and other agencies, as well as the coalition partners of the United States and the Iraqi Security Forces should be commended for their actions that resulted in the death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of the al-Qaeda in Iraq terrorist organization and the most wanted terrorist in Iraq.

S2766, #170, 06/14/06
Y
Y

McCain Amdt. No. 4242; To require regular budgeting for ongoing military operations.

S2766, #172, 06/15/06
N
N
Santorum Amdt. No. 4234; To authorize, with an offset, assistance for prodemocracy programs and activities inside and outside Iran, to make clear that the United States supports the ability of the people of Iran to exercise self-determination over their form of government, and to make enhancements to the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act of 1996.

S2766, #174, 06/15/06
Y
Y

Motion to Table McConnell Amdt. 4269; To require the withdrawal of the United States Armed Forces from Iraq and urge the convening of an Iraq summit.

S2766, #176, 06/20/06
Y
Y
Dorgan Amdt. No. 4292; To establish a special committee of the Senate to investigate the awarding and carrying out of contracts to conduct activities in Afghanistan and Iraq and to fight the war on terrorism.

S2766, #177, 06/20/06
N
N

McConnell Amdt. No. 4272 As Modified; To affirm the Iraqi Government position of no amnesty for terrorists who have attacked U.S. forces.

S2766, #178, 06/20/06
Y
Y
Nelson (FL) Amdt. No. 4265; To express the sense of Congress that the Government of Iraq should not grant amnesty to persons known to have attacked, killed, or wounded members of the Armed Forces of the United States.

S2766, #181, 06/22/06

N
N
Kerry Amdt. No. 4442; To require the redeployment of United States Armed Forces from Iraq in order to further a political solution in Iraq, encourage the people of Iraq to provide for their own security, and achieve victory in the war on terror.

S2766, #182, 06/22/06
Y
Y
Levin Amdt. No. 4320; To state the sense of Congress on United States policy on Iraq.

S2766, #183, 06/22/06
Y
Y

Motion to Invoke Cloture on S. 2766; JohnWarner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007

S2766, #186, 06/22/06
Y
Y
S. 2766 As Amended; John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007

HR5631, #225, 08/03/06
Y
Y
Boxer Amdt. No. 4858; To prohibit the use of funds by the United States Government to enter into an agreement with the Government of Iraq that would subject members of the Armed Forces to the jurisdiction of Iraq criminal courts or punishment under Iraq law.

HR5631, #233, 09/06/06
N
N

Motion to Table Kennedy Amdt. No. 4885; To include information on civil war in Iraq in the quarterly reports on progress toward military and political stability in Iraq.

HR5631, #236, 09/07/06
N
N

Motion to Table Menendez Amdt. No. 4909; To prohibit the use of funds for a public relations program designed to monitor news media in the United States and the Middle East and create a database of news stories to promote positive coverage of the war in Iraq.

HR5631, #237, 09/07/06
N
N

Motion to Table Schumer Amdt. No. 4897; To make available up to an additional $700,000,000 for Drug Interdiction and Counter-Drug Activities to combat the growth of poppies in Afghanistan, to eliminate the production and trade of opium, and heroin, and to prevent terrorists from using the proceeds for terrorist activities in Afghanistan, Iraq, and elsewhere, and to designate the additional amount as emergency spending.

HR5631, #239, 09/07/06
Y
Y
H.R. 5631 As Amended; Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2007

HR4954, #243, 09/13/06
Y
Y

Motion to Waive CBA Re: Reid Amdt. No.4936;To provide real national security, restore United States leadership, and implement tough and smart policies to win the war on terror.

S3930, #254, 09/27/06
Y
Y
Levin Amdt. No. 5086; In the nature of a substitute.

S3930, #255, 09/28/06
Y
Y
Specter Amdt. No. 5087; To strike the provision regarding habeas review.

S3930, #256, 09/28/06
Y
Y
Rockefeller Amdt. No. 5095; To provide for congressional oversight of certain Central Intelligence Agency programs.

S3930, #257, 09/28/06
Y
Y
Byrd Amdt. 5104; To prohibit the establishment of new military commissions after December 31, 2011.

S3930, #259, 09/28/06
N
N
On Passage, S. 3930 As Amended; Military Commissions Act of 2006

HR5631, #261, 09/29/06
Y
Y
H.R.5631 Conference Report; Department of Defense Appropriations Act, 2007

Petraeus Conf., #33, 01/26/07
Y
Y
Confirmation Lt. Gen. David H. Petraeus, U.S. Army, to be General

SCR2, #43, 02/01/07
N
N

Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion toProceed to S.Con.Res.2; A concurrent resolution expressing the bipartisan resolution on Iraq.

S470, #44, 02/05/07
Y
Y

Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion toProceed to S. 470; A bill to express the sense of Congress on Iraq.

Casey Conf., #45, 02/08/07

N
Y
Confirmation Gen. George W. Casey to be Chief of Staff, U.S. Army

S574, #51, 02/17/07
Y
Y

Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion toProceed to S.574; A bill to express the sense of Congress on Iraq.

SJR9, #74, 03/14/07
Y
Y

Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion toProceed to Consider S. J. Res. 9; A joint resolution to revise United States policy on Iraq.

SJR9, #75, 03/15/07
Y
Y
S. J. Res. 9; A joint resolution to revise United States policy on Iraq.

SR107, #76, 03/15/07
Y
Y
S. Res. 107; A resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that no action should be taken to undermine the safety of the Armed Forces of the United States or impact their ability to complete their assigned or future missions.

SCR20, #77, 03/15/07
Y
Y
S. Con. Res. 20; A concurrent resolutionexpressing the sense of Congress that no funds should be cut off or reduced for American Troops in the field which would result in undermining their safety or their ability to complete their assigned mission.

HR1591, #116, 3/27/07
N
N
Cochran Amd. No. 643; To strike language that would tie the hands of the Commander-in-Chief by imposing an arbitrary timetable for the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq, thereby undermining the position of American Armed Forces and jeopardizing the successful conclusion of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

HR1591, #117, 3/28/07
Y
Y

Motion to Invoke Cloture on H.R. 1591; U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Health, and Iraq Accountability Act, 2007

HR1591, #124, 3/29/07
Y
Y
Biden Amdt. No. 739; To appropriate an additional $1,500,000,000 for Procurement, Marine Corps, to accelerate the procurement of an additional 2,500 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles for the Armed Forces.

HR1591, #125, 3/29/07
Y
Y
Is Section 431 of the Senate Language to H.R. 1591 Germane?; In the nature of a substitute.

HR1591, #126, 3/29/07
Y
Y
H.R. 1591, As Amended; U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans'

[illinoisprogressive]

8. Howard Dean was inevitable. Blair Hull had a strong lead 3 weeks before the Illinois

senate primaries.
So, how'd that work out for those so called inevitables.
Your insisting Hillary cannot be beat is getting rather boring. Let's see what happens in 5 months if the clintons do not tamper with the voting machines

[Tellurian]

10. Hillary is in a class by herself. She is the only top tier candidate..

The difference between Obama and Edwards is only a 5 pt spread.

Edwards is about to overtake Obama by months end...

sorry!

[illinoisprogressive]

9. When Clinton leaves a rally people cry from relief she is leaving! hahahahaha

[Tellurian]

11. Childish remark!

something you hear around the schoolyard. Grow up!

[Tellurian]

12. Clinton runaway LEADER in Michigan..

August 31, 2007

Detroit News Michigan poll:

Clinton 40%, Obama 21%, Edwards 16%

Clinton, Romney lead in Michigan

"U.S. Hillary Clinton holds a commanding lead among Democrats, and Republicans are in a tight race in Michigan's newly significant presidential primary races, according to results of the latest Detroit News/WXYZ-TV poll.

The scientific telephone survey by Lansing-based EPIC-MRA finds Clinton with support from 40 percent of Democrats, ahead of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama at 21 percent. Former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards is at 16 percent."

same 5 pt difference...technically a dead heat between Obama and Edwards....

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070831/UPDATE/708310426

[Tellurian]

13. Clinton whooping the field in NH...

Aug 30 2007

Clinton 37%

Obama 17%

Edwards 14%

Edwards even closer to Obama within 3%...

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/nhdem8-709.html

[calteacherguy]

14. You call this "strong?"

Friday, August 31, 2007

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani leads New York Senator Hillary Clinton 47% to 44% in the latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. A month ago, Giuliani enjoyed a seven-point edge.

In six polls conducted between November 2006 and April of this year, Giuliani was ahead of Clinton each time with margins ranging from two to nine points. The match-up between the frontrunners tightened from May to early July. During that stretch, the two candidates were within a point of each other four times. Clinton led by a single point in a July 10 survey, the only time all year she’s topped Giuliani in a national poll.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/giuliani_47_clinton_44_clinton_48_thompson_44

[Tellurian]

15. I know, if it was any of the other candidates; there'd be 10 threads about it!

wishful thinking, my friend, wishful thinking.

BTW...Hillary is the front runner, and Obama is running against Edwards..

Guiliani is not the Repub nominee, and probably won't be..

[calteacherguy]

42. "Probably won't be"

Wishful thinking...

[plusfiftyfive]

17. George W Bush was ahead of Kerry in 2004 in the final election

THAT should tell you something about the popular vote!

It's not exactly smart, now, is it!!

Besides, there are STILL LOTS OF PEOPLE who have never heard of Obama.

Give him another 3 months, and see where Hillary is.

[Tellurian]

18. Kerry won the popular vote.. He couldn't get the Electoral votes..

Bush up on your statistics... the election was once again stolen.

Obama's competition is Edwards not Hillary!

[plusfiftyfive]

19. Do you have a link to your infinite knowlege of the "popular vote"?

I'm afraid I know exactly how many votes were cast for Kerry in Ohio, (the state Bush stole this time), and how many were cast nationwide for Kerry...he LOST the popular vote in 2004!~!!

You mayb be confusing yourself with the fact that AL GORE WON THE POPULAR VOTE in 2000, by some half a million... Kerry didn't do that well in 2004, but he got more votes than Gore in 2000... don't get yourself all confused with numbers, one an one is still two! Bush and the ReTHUGlicans still know how to steal elections!

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922901.html

[Tellurian]

20. Kerry was ahead by at least 150,000 or more votes in Ohio...

at the close on election night suddenly almost all of those votes disappeared. So, I don't know what you are talking about. You've got the story a little convoluted and confused in your mind..

Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.Posted Jun 01, 2006 5:02 PM

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

[plusfiftyfive]

23. I showed you final vote totals for all 50 states

And then I gave you a grand total for the national popular vote.

Continue to read your left wing biased sources, continue to fantasize that Kerry actually got the total popular vote for the nation... I gave you all 50 states, and that included Ohio, where Bush stole the election, because of the electoral college system. I do so much wish you would learn how it all works before you waste all of our Democratic votes on Hillary, who CANNOT win against the machine that defeated Gore an Kerry.

[Tellurian]

25. Bobby Kennedy is Left Wing?

when did that all happen?

[plusfiftyfive]

28. Who is Bobby Kennedy?

Has he held important political office?

Did he suddenly emerge from the non-candidates as the "chosen one"?

What office in government or internatonal affairs does he hold?

Or does his NAME do it for you?

[Tellurian]

31. When was Bobby Kennedy designated Left Wing?

Or is that just a hyperfixation meant to convince me?

[plusfiftyfive]

33. I don't know who Bobby Kennedy is

So what are you talking about?

Is he some anointed child of the Kennedy clan? I supported John F Kennedy in 1960, since then, it's been all down hill. IMO

[plusfiftyfive]

21. I provided you a link

Please brush up on your facts.

It would help if Hillary, your favorite, would do the same.

Living in the past glory of the Bill Clinton years may sound and feel wonderful to some of you. I would like to go back to my hippy days of smoking pot in the sixties with free sex on every night of the week. I was a teenager then. I grew up. You DO realize that the world of 2008 is NOT the world of 1992?

[Tellurian]

24. I'm looking forward to living in the Clinton years again..

8 yrs of Peace and Prosperity...

[plusfiftyfive]

27. You must be totally in a fantasy world

The world has changed!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's some facts you must consider...


This nation has twice as much debt as it did under Bill Clinton
The price of a barrel of crude oil has almost quadrupled.
There are tens of thousands more terrorists in the world willing to die for a chance to kill us
There are far fewer allied nations willing to work with us
There is a world monetary crisis, where our dollar is worth 1/3 of what it was in 1999
We STILL have not changed our consumption of fossil fuels, and use MORE than we did in 1999
We have lifted the tax burden on the rich, and they love all their new-found wealth with which to fight the "liberals" like Hillary and Obama. (Edwards is a laughing stock to 2/3 of America, he hasn't got a chance!)

There are 2-5 million MORE illegal aliens in the USA than in 1999, and people are starting to notice them.

There are 2 million LESS good-paying jobs in the USA than in 1999, and lots of people are noticing THAT!
Banks have decided only the rich can borrow money, only the well paid can get high cost loans, and only large corporations can get business loans, in contrast to 1999, when a good credit risk was a sound solid business person with a good plan and proper credentials for starting a small business. Nowadays, banks are dreading their role as foreclosure agents for homes bought on bad risk credit.

The days of Bill and Hill are no longer.. dream on!

[Tellurian]

34. You're no fantasy..

Clinton left a balanced budget in 99' with a giant surplus.

The National Debt is $8,992,788,889,871.12

We need an experienced qualified crew in this election cycle who can hit the ground running. The only one experienced enough is Hillary in first position and Bill as adviser.

What we don't need is any candidate that is being advised by Republicans who will continue to run the government through a puppet presidency. What we don't need is an inexperienced president taking 2 yrs on training wheels to learn the ropes of what the job entails.

That is plain fact.

[Imagevision]

22. Even GOP wants Hillary and says no to Obama, Hillary easier Target for smear campaign, but

with the GOP currently self destructing? the Dems should have a cake-walk in 08

[Tellurian]

26. Hillary is Teflon coated... Nothing sticks... Obama tried..and lost polling points..

for his effort, after proclaiming his new way politics...Tawdry!

[plusfiftyfive]

29. Well I know a true believer when I see one

After all my years, (many more than 55) I know who to NOT listen to, which columnists are NOT worth reading, their tune is always the same: when confronted with facts, they misunderstand them, when confronted with events, they misinterpret them, when confronted with truth, they run away!

I know which category to put your posts in now... and I have only been activly posting for several days. Looking at facts and figures, you run away. Looking at other's opinions, you disregard and disrespect them, looking at history, your eyes glaze over and you yearn for your younger days!

[Tellurian]

30. And when you're provided with proof you change the subject..

we know who you are and why you're here..

Game Over!

[plusfiftyfive]

32. What "PROOF" did YOU provide?

I don't see any "proof" that Kerry won the "popular" vote! Ohio is only one state.

What point are you trying to make here, that your mis-statement about who won the "popular" vote is correct about Ohio???? You DO REALIZE that you claimed something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT, which I challenged you about.

Your "proof" about Ohio, sadly is lacking in something called "evidence" which, as we both know George W Bush's people destroyed....

But please, either clarify your original claim that "Kerry won the popular vote.. He couldn't get the Electoral votes..

Bush up on your statistics... the election was once again stolen.

Obama's competition is Edwards not Hillary!"

.. or stop arguing with a fellow liberal and move on to more important thoughts in your life! OK?

[Tellurian]

35. Please read post #20's link... in it's entirety.. you said you were a scanner... don't scan

There is a full explantion on the Ohio Vote and how it was the key state stolen from Kerry giving GWB the election..

You should stick around here a little longer... you just may learn something.

[plusfiftyfive]

37. Please read MY links too!

O I already TOLD YOU IN TWO POSTS, that Bush stole Ohio.........what else do you want from me?

I go by total tallied votes in all states. I challenged your statement that "Kerry won the popular vote" in the grand total tally for all states he LOST! We ALREADY KNOW KERRY LOST OHIO!!! DUH!!! 350,000 votes lost in Ohio STILL DOESN'T MAKE him the winner of the popular vore nationally!!!!!!!! Get it?

You stated something, then had nothing to back it up but Bush's Ohio's theft of 350,000 votes! Still doesn't make what you said as fact to be true.. Kerry LOST THE NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE BY OVER a MILLION.


You really ought to look at the whole forest, and not just a few trees!

[Tellurian]

38. We're talking about 2 different things..

Kerry needed Ohio for it's Electoral votes. If Kerry had a win in Ohio and it's electoral votes, he would have won the presidency, thats all!

[plusfiftyfive]

40. Don't waste the time of a fellow liberal with your brilliant observations like that!

I knew this on the Wednesday after the election. You have wasted about an hour of my time tonight trying to "prove" what was absolutely obvious to any fifth grader who could add and subtract and knew how the electoral college worked. You stated and I quote from your post "Kerry won the popular vote".....he did NOT!

Now, when you want to post in the adult world, free of fantasies, and nostalgia, come back and contribute to this board.

You are not really a very insightful person to tie up the time and energy of a fellow liberal with your mis-statements of facts, your hide-and-seek games of references, and your obvious emotional attachment to one of many qualified candidates.

Now, let's get on to telling me why Hillary, the demon monster of the right wing ideologues, will be able to unite a fractured nation.

She's popular among groupies like you... how are you doing among red-necks with this Hillary fantasy?

[Bongo Prophet]

47. Those same "red-necks" are unlikely to vote for Obama either, unfortunately.

I don't think anyone can totally "unite" the entire spectrum of US. We live in a different "reality" than the far right, and trying to bridge that is near impossible. I would even say that it is unwise to put too much effort into that, especially if it means compromising principles. Better to WIN the science and reality based majority, and then focus on policies that will make EVERYONE better off, even the ones that hate us.

[plusfiftyfive]

39. Just give me the link again

I can't waste my time scanning 37 posts to find #20.........give me the link and the fact you want me to know... please don't play childish hide and seek games with me, come out and state your fact and your link and get on with it... I have no time for games.

[Tellurian]

41. When you start paying me to do your research for you..

I will be more than happy to..

For the time being you'll have to let your fingers do the walking and walk right on to post #20 and use a little self-control expanding your attention span and not scan, read for comprehension.

have a great evening...

ps...ck out #36 while you're at it. I posted some heavy reading material there for you as well.

[LeftCoast]

43. ...and the WMDs were sent to Syria.

I will just say this. It is dangerous to base your world view on 'faith-based' facts. While you may be right, there also exists the very real possibility that you are wrong.

We laugh at the RW kooks who can look you dead in the eye and say WMDs were found in Iraq. They 'know' that they are right just as much as you do and I would caution you to learn from their mistake.

[plusfiftyfive]

48. I don't quite know how to interpret your message.

But you mean to imply that there's evidence out there that Kerry really did win Ohio, not merely speculation, I would have to agree with it. All I have heard, so far, are many anecdotal incidents, not raw votes discarded. The anecdotal information convinces me it's POSSIBLE that Kerry got more supporters in Ohio who would have voted for him, but many were denied access, and many of their votes MAY HAVE been discarded. That's hardly a full compliment of evidence.

Now, as to those WMD's that Iraq sent to Syria as the most powerful military power in the world invaded Saddam's nation without cause, well, it takes all kinds to make up the world. So far, as we know, the logic and the evidence is missing from this theory!

[Alamom]

44. Thanks. nm

[Tellurian]

45. Always welcome, Alamom

[TankLV]

46. She is hitting all the right buttons for me...I like about 3/4 of the things she says, as

opposed to Obama - I like only a couple things he's said - the rest is really awful...

Edwards is an also ran...

But EVERY Democrat is better than ALL repukes. Period.