Hillary Clinton cannot win the Presidency.

[Labors of Hercules]

And if you believe that title is accurate, eat this:

Top 10 Reasons Hillary Clinton Will Win the Presidency in 2008 *IF GORE DOESN'T RUN... (sorry, had to say it...)

1) There’s no more dirt to dish about her. Over a dozen years in public life, every nasty rumor has been amplified and exhausted. So Hillary can’t be swift-boated a la John Kerry.

2) She’ll have the best campaign strategist in the business behind her (her husband). Bob Shrum, with his awe-inspiring 0-8 win/loss record, will be banished to Talking Head status.

3) By 2008, the country will be SO tired of the Bush madness. If America doesn’t go bankrupt before then – a distinct possibility – the dispirited electorate will drag its war-weary self to the ballot box and say “Enough – please, please make it stop.”

4) Her likely opponent, John McCain, is not a favorite of the Christian right. And without the Christian right it’s difficult if not impossible for a Republican to win the presidency. McCain will court the Evangelicals, but deep down they understand he’s not one of them.

5) She’s a pragmatist – not an idealist. Hillary can dance to the center when need be (heck, she lives there). As Howard Dean proved, idealists get to be on magazine covers, then they’re told to go home. Idealists get “important” jobs like head of the DNC. Pragmatists get power.

6) Hillary Clinton is the country’s biggest political rock star. In a culture that worships celebrity, she’s reached that rarefied status: her first name alone identifies her. Who doesn’t know who Hillary is?

7) The youth vote grew in 2004, and it trended Democratic. This trend line will continue in ‘08, and the youth vote certainly won’t choose oldster John McCain – a senator who supports the tragic troop surge – over exciting possible-first-woman-president Hillary Clinton.

8) The “girl rule.” The girl rule says that, in a man’s world, for a woman to achieve success in a “man’s job” – like the US Senate – she has to be so much more talented than a man. True to the dictum, Hillary Clinton is tougher and cannier than any opponent she’ll face.

9) Hillary’s lopsided victory in her ‘06 Senate race displays her ability to romance a demographically diverse audience. (Or at least diverse enough to win a narrow ‘08 victory.)

10) It’s time. Of all the ‘-isms’ of the 20th century – communism, commercialism, atheism – the most powerful was – is – feminism. There are now more female than male college undergraduates. Note the trend line. The era of Boys in Charge is ending. But not everyone has caught on. Have you noticed that most of the pundits who posit that “she can’t win” are male?

http://www.maguireonline.com/2007/01/top_10_reasons_hillary_clinton.php... check the article for 2 bonus reasons! (In case you're not convinced already).

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. #4 is no longer accurate: McCain is toast.

Her likely opponent is either Mittens Romney or Rudy Ghouliani -- a whole different dynamic will be operative.

[liberalnurse]

2. I'm sorry to disappoint you....

but there will be a new President Clinton in 2009.

[Labors of Hercules]

6. didn't read the post, did you?

:wow: GOTCHA!!!

[liberalnurse]

26. Not really, just skimmed.............

I was at work and ya know how that can be..............:eyes: O8) :crazy: :argh:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

13. You've got a job that is in demand. Most jobs are not. I don't think you're seeing things clearly

The middle class in this country is hurting. While the rich are living better than ever, the middle class is suffering. Prices are through the roof. There are no jobs for them except min. wage ones. Food, living, health insurance and gas costs have risen exponentially. Middle class people are losing their homes and ending up homeless. Lots more. Someone who is concerned about what concerns the middle class needs to be elected. I've heard none of the above from Sen. Clinton.

Further, Sen. Clinton is female and this country isn't ready for a female (or a black person). This country is too bigoted and sexist.

Even if this country were not bigoted or sexist, would Sen. Clinton do any of these?:

Sign orders to make it less appealing for coporations to manufacture in China while selling those goods to us? Disable NAFTA by signing orders for tariffs? Get rid of "Don't ask don't tell?" Increase taxes on the rich only to have them back to what it used to be? Sign an order to strengthen unions? Refuse to attack Iran? Get our troops out of Iraq immediately? Get rid of ERISA so people can freely sue HMOs? Redo the Patriot Act? (And rename the DAMNED thing?) The answer to all those is, no.

If Sen. Clinton were a male, and this male would not do any of the above, I wouldn't vote for him.

[Colobo]

18. President Obama, Jan 09. That's it.

[BenDavid]

29. I concur liberal nurse and

let us say Ah-men.....
HRC will win the nomination.....Obama will be ready come 2016....

I do thank you

[liberalnurse]

30. Absolutely...............

Thats how I see it!

[barack4prez]

3. Change the title

to this thread to
"Let's give the White House to the Repukes for 8 more more years!!!"
Hillary cannot win in '08. Too many people hate her. Besides, no matter what you say, there's plenty more dirt and, even if there's not, there's so much old dirt to dish that no one will care where it came from.

[aquart]

5. YOU hate her. Fine. Don't vote for her.

The rest of us will be voting Democratic.

[Labors of Hercules]

7. yep. *nods* nt

[barack4prez]

8. My point

was too subtle, I see. Sorry. Do whatever you want to do.

[liberal renegade]

9. Too many people hate her...

Not true! That's all fabricated bullshit.

What the hell has Hillary done to make people hate her? Could it be that she stuck by her husband for better or worse, in sickness and health, until death do us part. Is that why they hate her?

The only people saying such things are the right wing blowhards, Limbaugh, Hannity, O'reilly, etc, etc....

[Sarah Ibarruri]

14. I suspect that if Sen. Clinton runs, there will be someone from the Dems running independently nt

[onewholaughsatfools]

4. as liberalnurse has posted

she thinks Hillary will be the 2009 president of the usa, and she is correct because most votes will be anyone but a republican, so the issue is if you vote for this hillary person, you get what you vote for.. same shit different tactic ......
Now If you want a real leader from the Democratic Party who will also get elected if you vote for him in the primaries is Dennis ........I say yes to Dennis

[Tellurian]

11. Say yes to Dennis all you want...

He doesn't work well with others. A president can't do things alone, unless DK plans on a dictatorship in the slim to none chance, he's elected. And I'm just about neck full of the "dick-tator" syndrome!

[Labors of Hercules]

12. I like Dennis more than any other candidate to be honest...

but the truth is, there are only two candidates who I believe can win the Presidency, and those are CLINTON or EDWARDS. and CLINTON is the likelier of the two. (of course, as I said, when Gore enters the picture, all bets are off).

[TwilightGardener]

10. McCain??? You might want to catch up on what's been happening

since last winter...

[Labors of Hercules]

28. Insert whatever Repuke candidate you want.

The "Christian right" don't like any of em. :shrug:

[Colobo]

15. PRESIDENT OBAMA, JAN 09. DEAL WITH IT!

[illinoisprogressive]

19. I second what you say, katz. Deal with it. President Obama

[illinoisprogressive]

16. She will win if they rig the voting machines for her. If not, she's toast

[Tellurian]

24. It would be nice to provide proof of your supposition..

rather than spewing pure hatred at people that don't happen to think you're way. Planting salacious allegations as somehow having an element of truth. IOW- Put up or shut up!

[Boojatta]

17. #6: rarefied status: her first name alone identifies her.

Now you tell everybody! Where were you when John Kerry was pursuing the Democratic nomination?

Obviously it doesn't matter whether your full name is John Kerry, John Edwards, or John F. Kennedy. You just ain't rarified.

Note to self: send a copy of this to Wesley Clark. If he somehow misses the sarcasm, then he'll be pleased that people finally recognize that he was probably the right choice in 2004.

[AnotherGreenWorld]

20. Howard Dean was not--and cleary isn't--an idealist.

The rest of the list is just conventional wisdom, nothing new.

[kenfrequed]

21. Aha

1) So a war hero can be swift boated with lies, but no one can lie about Hillary? Does she have some kind of high tech lie proof vest or something that the other candidates don’t have? Does she intend to share her lie proof vest with whoever wins the Democratic primary if it is not her? Isn’t it unpatriotic of her to not support the president during a time of war with her lie proof vest?

Also this is an absurd argument.

2) Well she seems to have taken Shrum’s advice ‘cause similarly to Kerry/Edwards, she backed the war. Maybe she also has some kind of telepathy that she can still get Shrum’s help.

Also, charisma is personal, not a campaign strategy. You either have it or work like hell to get to it.

3) Uhm… how does this support Hillary over my neighbors yellow dog? I mean the tracking polls I have been running in my precinct have my neighbors dog beating any republican contender. Of course everyone in my neighborhood knows the dog really well so maybe he has name recognition.

4) Ok, but again this really doesn’t speak to Hillary specifically.

Moreover considering the raw amount of Religious Reich propaganda put out during the Clinton years should we really be putting forth the one candidate that they hate enough to encourage them to show up?

5) So she dances where she lives? Is it considered a mixed metaphor to point out Molly Ivan’s recounting of the Texan quote “You gotta dance with them that brung ya?” Who is the center that is being served by Hillary? What is the center? On what issues does she represent the center, and what is the position of ‘the center’ on these issues?

Also I really am not sure about your pragmatist vs. idealist thing. Some might argue that giving pragmatists the power among the democrats is the reason that we have abandoned so many of our populist (economic) positions.

6) Name recognition. Whoopie!!!

7) The youth vote. Yeah hopefully they show up, they do tend to vote Democratic. But why not pick someone that actually speaks to young people about issues that they care about. Or I have a radical idea, what about we try to get young people to go to their caucuses and primaries and they can let us know who they prefer, rather than us telling young people who they are going to get more excited about.

8) She weaves and ducks with the best of them. Great. Being smart and politically savvy are admirable traits, but what does she stand for? What bills has she put forth? I only see long lists of donors.

9) Uhm, she was running for the Senate in New York. Yes New York is diverse but we are a party that loves diversity and last I checked diversity actually makes it easier for Democrats, not harder.

10) I agree. It is time. But I tend to vote on these magical things called issues and I would rather forestall the first potential woman president a few years rather than have someone whose positions are given to her from the DLC’s playbook and is without any doubt, the most corporate friendly democrat running.

[sandyj999]

22. Last But Not Least......................

When she wins we get two for one.

[Boojatta]

23. Have you noticed that most of the retired generals who posit that “we can't win in Iraq” are male?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. Almost all retired generals are male.

[saltpoint]

25. I don't have any clinical certainty to share about John McCain, but my very

best hunch is that he's a dead man walking and will be well out of the race real early.

He's out of it in almost every other aspect right now and evidently doesn't know it.

I'd like to see some fire from Senator Clinton. She's strong and she's smart and she's way too careful and cautious. I want a little less of Aunt Polly and a bit more of Janis Joplin from her. I don't think she's a very interesting speaker.

But I believe if she's nominated she'll win. Giuliani or Thompson are running well in the polls, but neither is close to dominating the GOP race. Romney has a bunch of money and is likely to spend it in ads which "inform" voters that Rudy is in truth a pro-feminist liberal from the east coast blah blah blah.

Senator Clinton, so say the oddsmakers, is the favored personage in the next U.S. election.