I feel like crying today

[nonconformist]

The Dean obits and the reports of the election being called early this morning were the final straw. I feel like screaming... hell, I feel like I've been locked in a soundproof room screaming my head off for several months now and nobody is noticing. I have not felt this frustrated since the Supreme Court appointed Bush.

No matter what happens today, tonight on every channel there will be a panel of pundits talking about how Dean needs to quit. Nothing new really, but it will become a full on assault against Dean remaining in the race after today. The vultures are circling, waiting to swoop in and make a mockery of everything Dean has said and stood for.

I think I'm officially entering my mourning period. It's hard. Supporting a candidate you truly believe in in every way is an amazing experience. My first campaign was Clinton's first run and I was 18/19. What a ride... it was wonderful, and it cemented my interest in politics and my desire to get that "fix" again. The fix of listening to someone speak so profoundly you are just left amazed. I did get my fix again, and a more intense one than I ever imagined. Thank you Howard Dean - you've inspired me in more ways than you could ever know.

I'm still in Dean's camp, I'm not a fair-weather supporter - but I also got a hard dose of reality today. That is that reality doesn't have to actually be real, but only perceived. Brought to you by the fine folks who brought you the 9/11-Iraq connection, among other things. I'm becoming so cynical I'm surprising even myself.

[AP]

1. Just to be clear, which obits?

- The FL "obit" of which, as far as I know, no DU'er has seen a copy?

- The Dean supporter in the CA student paper?

Are there any others?

[maddezmom]

AP- I actually saw them before the headline was changed

one was a fox station in Albany NY and the other was a CBS station in FL.

[AP]

12. Two questions:

1) so there were only two?

2) What did the text of the articles say?

[stickdog]

22. Two questions.

1) Isn't it unconscionably wrong regardless?

2) Isn't it unconscionably wrong regardless?

[mzmolly]

25. 3) CNN. 4) FAUX NEWS .. I haven't had time to research every media outlet

but you get the point. I hope people won't marginalize/trivialize this matter with half hearted queries? Now is not the time really.

[AP]

36. They're all trying to write a narrative which leads to a Bush victory...

...and they did it by trying to help Dean define himself as the angry anti-Bush for a year.
They've moved on to a new strategy, but they're not sabotaging Dean because they think he could beat Bush.

[stickdog]

54. Yeah, that makes sense. They shit on Dean and prop up Edwards

because they think Bush would kill Dean and because they are afraid of Edwards. Right?

[AP]

57. The say Edwards is running a positive campaign ONE for every FOUR times

they mention Dean and Kerry, because it's true. But they tell you nothing about his biography or his policies -- and that's according to your study you cited yesterday.

[stickdog]

61. The press on Dean is NEGATIVE. The press on Edwards is POSITIVE.

The most positive article about Dean is still more negative than the most negative article about Edwards.

I dare you to prove me wrong.

[AP]

64. The press on Dean was more positive than negative, and there was way more

of it until he started doing things which generated negative press, like not meating expectations, losing members of his team, etc.

[stickdog]

82. The time has come to put up or shut up.

The most positive article about Dean is still more negative than the most negative article about Edwards.

I dare you to prove me wrong. And I find it quite telling that you won't even try.

[AP]

84. Before YEARGH, the media loved Dean and ignored his warts.

NPR played Harkin's warm-up speach for Dean in IA rather than cut to Edwards's speach. They loved Dean then and where still trying to help him.

[stickdog]

91. Thank you for your gracious concession. (nt)

[AP]

94. And let me finish: after YEARGH, the stopped trying to prop him up.

And Dean didn't give them much to spin in his favor anyway.

And the YEARGH coverage was exactly what they had planned for him if he had gotten nominated.

[stickdog]

98. And what do they have planned for Edwards? For Kerry?

YEARGH is the best they can do against Dean coz Dean was a good centrist Governor and he's clean as a whistle.

[maddezmom]

26. here

Campaign chief quits on Dean (this is the revised headline)



By HELEN KENNEDY
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - Like a plummeting comet, the once-soaring Howard Dean campaign kept disintegrating yesterday ahead of today's potentially final defeat in Wisconsin.
Dean's national campaign chairman Steve Grossman bailed out after telling The New York Times he hoped to sign on with John Kerry following today's Wisconsin primary.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/165194p-144678c.html

Only saw two, but then I wasn't looking until a Dean supporter posted the info.

[AP]

40. I really don't see how "potentially final defeat" is writing an obitiuary

for Dean which is preventing him from doing well in WI.

[Qutzupalotl]

43. The polls are still open. n/t

[AP]

48. Not in NYC.

[Qutzupalotl]

56. in WI

[AP]

60. I don't think they read the NY Daily News in WI.

And I don't think the reporter was going out on a limb by saying what she said.

[Qutzupalotl]

63. I'm reading it in Oregon.

And I think the voters should speak before the media tells them how to vote.

[AP]

65. On the internet. Today, most WI voters are at work, and they're listening

to WI news.

[stickdog]

69. Or they are on the internet at work. Surfing Drudge and seeing an exit

poll that CONFIRMS what the media has been telling them all week, and encouraging them to switch their own vote from that so-last-year loser Dean to that exciting, dashing might-just-have-a-chance-to-beat-Kerry John Edwards guy!

Now, the post-mortems were written before any results were in (the last poll showed Dean in second and doing well, but was COMPLETELY ignored in down-the-stretch national reporting) and the exit poll was also released before half the voters cast their votes!

But both have an indisputable EFFECT on the results that they were prematurely handicapping.

[AP]

72. They have done mid-day exit polls forever. You think they've been doing

it just so they could hurt Dean today?

[Qutzupalotl]

76. The networks stopped after the 2000 early call in FL

while the polls were still open in the panhandle. The internet gossip sites don't feel compelled to play by the same rules, and it's reprehensible.

[stickdog]

90. Do you think I give a FLYING FUCK *why* they are doing it?

All I know is that they wrote the fucking story of Dean's Wisconsin crash and burn in advance and that they have been and are still in the process of doing their damnedest to make certain that their pre-ordained story comes true.

Before election day, as the voters wake up on election, as the voters go to work on election day, and during the voting process itself!

[AP]

97. How? By planting stories in the UC-Davis student paper? By planting

a story in an Albany and Florida local stations web sites (which they removed)?

Look, I'm not saying they're not doing this.

I'm just saying there needs to be better evidence.

[stickdog]

99. The evidence.

http://news.google.com/news?q=Howard-Dean&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=G&edition=us&scoring=d

What more do you want?

[AP]

104. That's a google search of "Howard Dean"

Which articles do you want me to read? The student paper article from UC Davis?

[calimary]

79. Absolutely! I'm in California, and I'd appreciate it if they'd hold off

til WE out here had our chance to weigh in. We're rather sizeable, you know.

[stickdog]

66. It WAS syndicated. It was on the internet. It has an effect. Just like

prematurely releasing exit polls. Just like writing and videotaping 1,000 Dean campaign post-mortems in advance!

It's ludicrous to deny this.

[nonconformist]

68. Seriously, what's your point?

That I SHOULDN'T feel sad because it appears my candidate is closing in on the end - because, according to you, the media has been fair?

This is a pity party - leave the jabs at the door.

[AP]

73. I feel sad for Dean. I'm just saying that I don't think the media

is the only reason for Dean's problems.

And I think there's actaully a paucity of evidence today that they've tried to bury him by innundating the public conscience with a barrage of "dean is dead" stories.

[AP]

74. Look, the best evidence of media conspiracy today is UC-Davis student

paper columnist Russ Fagaly (apparently a Dean supporter) article about Dean.

Is this really the kind of evidence on which you want to found a claim of media conspiracy?

[Qutzupalotl]

77. Not true.

See post 26.

[AP]

81. The NY Daily news article speaking in terms of possibility? I've seen two

separate threads on teh UC-Davis article and no separate threads on this Daily News article, so I think I'm not going out on a limb when I say that Dean supporters think the UC-Davis student paper article is the best evidence of TODAY's media conspiracy, and you have to admit that that is kind of funny.

[Qutzupalotl]

85. CBS, CNN, Fox, as posted above.

Denying there's anything to this--now that's funny.

[AP]

89. The student paper article has generated two separte threads.

The local CBS and FOX affiliate stories apparently aren't even on-line anymore, right?

[Qutzupalotl]

95. That's no excuse for trivializing what the major media outlets did

or tried to do today...and what Drudge continues to do.

[Exgeneral]

75. Why is it so important to some folks

that Kerry wasn't pushed on us by the corporate media?
He was.

http://www.mediatenor.com/US-Election_040209_monthly.pdf

[AP]

83. That study says Kerry was ignored before Jan 19th, and Dean was being...

...pushed on us by corporate media.

I'm telling you right now the media is going to try to win this one for Bush. But I'm also telling you that that's why the pushed Dean for a hear and dropped him AFTER he lost Iowa.

All the negative stuff you see in the press now about Dean is stuff they ignored when they were promoting him.

[dionysus]

115. if you feel sad for Howard

you have the strangest way of articulating it...

[stickdog]

59. "Is your dick really two inches long? No, really?"

Does that help illustrate the concept?

[stickdog]

16. Yeah, it was all a big lie so Dean supporters could wallow in self-pity.

I must have been suffering from mass hysteria when I clicked on the link!

[AP]

30. Three days before the IA vote, Dean supporters started arguing

that the media was doing them in. However, the proof was three paragraphs from the middle of the New York Times article arguing that they were actually "neutral", but the proof of their neutrality was that they covered Dean more than all the other candidates combined, and that much of that coverage was extremely pro-Dean.

The other proof was an evening of ATC on NPR, which, when you actually listened to it, was very favorable towards Dean. They did a gratuitous piece on using the internet, which they praised ONLY Dean's use of the internet. They did a piece on Dean's problems, without telling us what those problems were (but did tell us that Dean was looking forward to moving towards victory). They did the next in a series of just following candidates around, which featured Dean and Gephardt. And they did a fourth piece which discussed Dean.

There was a lot of fury about the media, but it was hard to find much to support that fury. (After the YEARGH, there was much justified anger, but not before.)

I just get the feeling we're getting a deja vu. It seems like the groundwork is being laid out to explain what happens today, but without regard for having that groundwork being built with real bricks of facts. I'm not saying it can't be done, but we must have respect for ourselves and for fellow DU'ers -- make your arguments for what is happening on facts and not fury.

[stickdog]

51. The ground work has been laid by the media. The loser of the 5 of the last

7 head to head races is SURGING. The winner of 5 of the last 7 head to head races is "stringing it out" or "on his last legs" or "writing his own funeral speech" pr "speaking to empty chairs" (even though he actually spoke to the biggest crowds of any of the candidates yesterday).

We have all been hit with this meme 24/7 for the last week, and Grossman's oh-so-carefully timed backstabbing NY Times interview and subsequent departure was just the cherry on the media manipulation cake.

Add in the fact that EVERY single paper in the nation has an article headlined "Dean Is A Hopeless Cause" on the fucking MORNING of the election. Add in that a major news service released a headline saying Dean had already lost in Wisconsin at 8 AM today.

Now add the fact that exit polls are being released -- during the voting process -- that show Edwards "closing" on Kerry and Dean doing worse than expected.

This simply cannot be compared to ANYTHING that Edwards has EVER COME CLOSE to experiencing in this race.

[AP]

62. Edwards has 50% more delegates than Dean and over 100% more votes.

[stickdog]

96. Over 100% more votes? Come on. The vote totals haven't been released

for many caucus states, just the delegates awarded!

[Qutzupalotl]

71. I don't think they read the New York Times in Iowa.

:P just kidding

[AP]

86. It wasn't my evidence. That's what Dean people were relying upon

to make an argument that the media was biased -- a NYT article practically proving they were biased in Dean's favor.

[Qutzupalotl]

92. In NY, not IA.

Can't have it both ways.

[AP]

103. What are you talking about?

This was the evidence that Dean people cited when asked for proof that the media was after Dean. They couldn't cite a single source in Iowa. They cited an article in the New York Times which, in response to emails from Dean supporters, scoured just about every article about Dean the Times printed and could only find something like three unfair comments, which were noted in the article. That's what dean supporters cut and pasted. And they wouldn't even link to the article. They linked to another thread which had the article link.

You track down the article, and there it was: a long article about how the NY Times coverage of Dean was, in fact, extremely gracious, and that there was more of it than of all the coverage given to the other canidates combined.

[Qutzupalotl]

109. Relevance.

If people can't read newspapers from out of state (which I question), then it doesn't matter what the NYT says about Dean when the primary or caucus is in another state.

My point is it does matter, and it does add up.

[AP]

111. You're saying that's another reason it was ridiculous to cite it in

the first place?

I didn't think of that, but that's certainly a legitimate point.

I wish I'd thought of it when I was debating them.

Oh, you're saying the Times is a legitmate source?

Ok, I'll go with that too, since it proved that the claim was wrong. The Times coverage was very positive and helpful for Dean.

[Qutzupalotl]

112. No

I'm saying it's ridiculous to pretend Wisconsin and Iowa voters can't read NY papers.

[democratreformed]

2. I have been there and I feel your pain.

I'm sorry you are having to go through it. My daughter and I cried like babies over our candidate. I can still feel the pain that hit me when I first heard that he was pulling out. In my heart, I knew it was the right thing to do, but that didn't make it any easier.

[nonconformist]

35. Thanks - I cried when Clark dropped out also, he was always my #2 (nt)

[benburch]

3. A BIG HUG

:grouphug:

As a Dennis Kucinich supporter, I know exactly how you feel. They were writing obits for my man back in July.

We'll both get through this. And I hope, we'll both support whomever the party nominates.

-Ben Burch
White Rose Society Webmaster
http://www.WhiteRoseSociety.org/

[nonconformist]

39. Thanks, I know the Kucinich supporters have been through hell (nt)

[diamondsoul]

49. Ben, you are the best!

Thanks so much for the White Rose Society and all you do, and thanks for supporting Kucinich.:hug:

[On the Road]

4. It's Definitely a Shock to the System

and takes awhile to get over.

[NV1962]

5. I hear and feel ya...

It's sickening, and we need to show more solidarity with Dean supporters.

:grouphug:

[gWbush is Mabus]

6. I hear you

I have been so disillusioned.

My 2 friends are supporting Bush to show their patriotism.
I got in a 3 hour debate/fight with them.


Gore was destoyed and then the SCOTUS coup.

The media has destroyed Dean.

65% of Americans believe in the Noah's Arc story.

The DLC wants to keep what little power remains in their grasp.




I am about to give up.

[BL_Zebub]

17. The Noah's Ark story is absolutely true!

Man, you should have seen the amount of animal doo doo that Shem, Ham, and Japeth had to shovel out of that boat! How do you think the rainforests got so fertile to begin with? 40 days and 40 nights of fertilizer, that's how!

[JohnnyFianna1]

44. Noah's Ark

"The DLC wants to keep what little power remains in their grasp."- This is foolish, the DLC has no power, with the exception of it's use as a 527 against Bush's 200 million. The DLC selected Joe Momentum as it's representative and he failed to win a single state. Howard Dean was the anti-DLC candidate who did wonderfully, and by not doing what the DLC told him to (ignore him and he'll go away) Kerry beat him. The DLC was going to back Clark (so says the rumors), but after Moore backed him he wasn't going to be touched with a ten foot pole by anyone, especially the media and the DLC. Now, with Kerry ignoring the DLC, Senator Edwards and Kucinich getting ignored by the DLC, it has almost no power, and NO representation.

As for Noah's ark, there has been consistent evidence of many large floods and geological uprisings that may have caused a flood about 100,000 years ago. Granted, the time line doesn't fit with the Bible's story, but there is certainly more evidence for a gigantic flood and uprooting of society that occurred a couple thousand years ago than that creationist crap that has been pushed so commonly here in Bama. Just because it is in the Bible doesn't mean it's not true.
Unfortunatly, what is disappointing is that most people use the Bible as evidence to support their own convictions as opposed to science.

[demdave]

58. Let's keep the facts straight....60% believe the Noah's ark story.

[info being]

78. Americans get what they deserve

Dennis Kucinich is my President, regardless of who wins.

[Guava Jelly]

7. To quote Bill Clinton

I feel Your Pain.
My Dog left the race after Tenn.
America lost a great potential President that day.
President Wesley Clark...it still tears me ip

[Lefta Dissenter]

8. NonCon,

I definitely understand your feelings. I've shed a lot of tears over Wes Clark, and actually feel better after having voted for him today, despite the fact that some people are clueless as to why I would have done that.

I think that that is something that the Dean supporters and Clark supporters have in common. We believe SO incredibly strongly in our candidates, and it's simply impossible to understand why others don't get it!

Just stick to the Dean support threads for a while. There's no point in torturing yourself reading all of the sh*t that gets posted.

[stickdog]

9. The media already wrote this story. Now it's up to all of us to do our

own little part to make it come true!

[Debi]

21. What a crappy thing to say!

:puke:
:spank:
:grr:

[spooky3]

53. I think s/he was being sarcastic

in an attempt to be sympathetic.

[spooky3]

10. Hang in there; sadly, most of us will be in your shoes,

if we aren't already there, because only one person can win the nomination.

There is change a-comin' even though it may not seem like that today.

[Kira]

11. I feel the exact way

you do. I am also shocked at the exit poll numbers people have been talking about. I hope they aren't accurate.
My heart is broken. I don't no how I will get inspired by Kerry who voted for everything I am against.( No child, Patriot, Iraq, Nafta)

[Debi]

13. It's been going on for a couple of months...

Not only the media writing him off...but the NON-loyal supporters running for the woods (or the nearest Kerry campaign office).

It makes me so mad that people can be so fickle..I'm Dean till the end.

I'm right there with you!!

[Cuban_Liberal]

14. Cheer up--- they're trying to write one for MY guy, too!

I REALLY sympathize with the Dean campaign: you guys have been beaten over the head with this for two weeks. Remember this, though--- it ain't over 'til it's over!

:hug: :hi:

[mmonk]

15. I know how you feel

as some of us have gone through a simular situation and emotions.

[Guava Jelly]

18. to quote the Rolling stones

You can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
You can’t always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you might find
You get what you need

and that is bush back to crawford.

[mac2]

47. I'll drink to that....

a glass of some good organically grown wine. http://www.theorganicwinecompany.com/search.html

I tried their product since they advertise on ieAmerica radio. It was good wine. No preservatives or sulfates.

[Kahuna]

88. Amen! Kudos to you and the Stones.

:yourock:

[rucky]

19. Imagine how cynical we'd be if there were no Howard Dean

A year ago I thought I was the only one who hated this f*ing war.

[Debi]

24. YEAH!!!

Agreed!

[nonconformist]

41. God, isn't that the truth - thank you DEAN! (nt)

[RetroLounge]

100. No Doubt

Without Dean, it would be bush* by a landslide.

A couple of the other candidates ought to be fucking thanking him for the gift of a spine...

[madmax]

20. I understand

:hug: As a Clark supporter since day one I watched as the media totally ignored my guy.

[mac2]

23. I feel your pain Dean supporter.....

We Democrat had hoped for so much in these candidates. Surely the American citizens would like our message!!

Well...maybe they do. It's being stolen by the media just like 2000, 2002.

Work for voting reforms and Progressive Democrats or Independents.

It's going to be dirty and maybe even dangerous for some of citizens. Bush won't let this election go by without punishment. Remember how angry his father has been since his "up-and-out-of-here" days. He was meant to rule as a relative of the Queen herself.

Think the East India Trading Company is back in power...with a different name..Enron, Haliburton,etc.? They're all empire building Neo Cons.

Yes...I've cried since Baby Bush even got the floor to announce his run. I knew...it would be bad..bad..bad.

Hey my candidate can't even get bad media. Go Dennis.

[bushalert]

34. Get over it quickly...

Dean brought out much needed enthusiasm and excitement, but he never really had a shot. The pool of dem candidates was too strong for Dean to overcome. The one positive thing about Dean was his true opposition to the war. That really separated him from the pack. But Clark stole the limelight and he never recovered from it! So what's the solution? GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!! Kerry is a good, progressive candidate (much more liberal than Clinton ever was). Let's be happy that we have such a strong candidate to whip Shrub in November. In fact, Kerry is more progressive than Howard Dean.

[nonconformist]

46. I understand, but please don't tell me to "get over it"

Trust me, I'll do what needs to be done come November. This isn't about that. It's about believing in someone with your heart and soul and watching it all crumble down around you.

[RetroLounge]

101. Just like we were told to "Get Over"

the 2000 election?

:eyes:

[tishaLA]

27. I was there last week

and what was worse was that there was a democratic candidate who was talking about a "two man race" before my candidate even dropped out of the race. Kinda like dancing on a grave when there isn't any body in it yet.

Don't worry. Reports of Dr. Dean's death have been greatly exaggerated. I hope he carries on and continues to give the party some backbone. He's been great for the party...and he will continue to be great for the party. Stay strong.

[mac2]

31. Speaking of an old soldiers..

We certainly could use Clark when Rumsfeld leaves the Pentagon. So many of our experienced Generals were ask to/or did leave.

He's so much more "human" than Rummy. Rummy, I don't think ever saw a battle.

[HuskerDem]

45. For the 1000th time Clark CANNOT be S.O.D./ against the rules

and more importantly a waste of talent and brilliance.

I now return you to our regularly scheduled pain and suffering.

[mac2]

50. Sorry...I don' t know what S.O.D. ....

Please explain. Clark can always be a consultant.

He might consider a run for Senate or Governor if the opportunity presents itself.

I haven't even had a chance to vote for any of them. They dropped out first.

[spooky3]

52. Secretary of Defense?

[maddezmom]

28. just want to send some cyber hugs

:hug: Don't give up, your guy isn't out yet.

[BootinUp]

29. hang in there

We know what you are going through. :grouphug:

[HuskerDem]

32. I cried for three days...............................................

And I'm not out of mourning yet. I have all the empathy in the world for you.

Sucks.

You're going to be pissed as hell for a while, I'm still pissed but some of the bitter jagged adges wore off when I realized what all we had accomplished and that there was still work to be done.

Have a drink and pull the covers over your head for a while.

Then I cordially invite you to join the rest of us in pounding George Bush's ass in WHATEVER way feels right to you.

You don't have to jump on any bandwagons if you don't feel like it but you can help campaign AGAINST bush by helping moveon.org or the center for progress or whatever you are comfortable with.

Cheers to you and all you have helped accomplish. :toast: We NEED Howard Dean to stay with this party and help shape it up. You helped get that ball rolling BIG TIME. We still have work to do. Let's see if we can do it together.

[mzmolly]

33. I hear you NC. I don't think I'll be able to take a concession speech if

there is one. I really hope we go on through super Tuesday at the very least. And, remember anything's possible, so hang in there ok?

:hug:

[Kagemusha]

37. Hey. The system worked.

The system was designed to prevent an outsider like Dean from seizing control of the party.

It worked wonderfully.

A small percentage of democratic activists completely destroyed the front-runner's candidacy and anointed the man that the rest of the nation's democratic activists will back.

Nothing here is unexpected. That Dean seemed to threaten to win is the astounding thing. But that only.

This is politics.

[Debi]

42. PLEASE

Don't sugar coat your glee. :mad:

[spooky3]

55. again, Debi, I read the post as sarcastic

that the poster was sad about what has happened.

[caledesi]

38. I feel the same way. *sniff sniff* nt

[lyonn]

67. spoken well for one so young

Young compared to me. I don't dislike or hate the other candidates but Dean seemed to have so many good ideas and allowed me to think he wasn't lying or avoiding. I will vote dem no matter who runs. Bush is unbelievably dangerous and stupid. But Dean was bushwacked. There is hope at least with any democrat. None with the powers that be now. Just trying to make you feel a bit better.

[Ysabel]

70. I'm sorry...

{{{{I know how you feel - me too}}}}

Now - chin up - they want to kill us all - we have to keep going...!

[slinkerwink]

80. this whole primary process has also made me cynical

and even more determined to support grassroots democracy instead of institutions like the DLC.

[arwalden]

87. I'm Sorry You're Feeling So Frustrated

This really isn't some mass conspiracy. It's simply that at this juncture, America doesn't really want an "outsider/anti-establishment" candidate. Apparently what America wants is an "establishment" candidate and they see that in John Kerry. It's just not Dean's time and the voters are saying so.

-- Allen

[Kamika]

93. I hear you.. I'm in asians and pacifics for Dean

Im in aapi asian and pacifics for Dean.. we still try to collect money and stuff but reality is a bitter pill to swallow, especially after all that hard work and money we made.. :.( *cry*

Don't worry though I'll back Kerry 100% IF Kerry wins.

What I really hate though is the fact that it feels like that damn first primary decided the whole thing.. it was like a snowball effect

[West Coast Democrat]

102. We Clark Supporters Know How You Feel

It's hard to deal with your candidate coming up short of hopes, but I have faith that Dean's supporters will not be too angry, or take it too personally. There's just too much we need to remain united to fight for this year.

[in_cog_ni_to]

105. I DO feel your pain,

BELIEVE ME! I think I'm probably one of the most PISSED OFF Clark supporters left. I'm still pissed, still heartbroken and still mourning his leaving the race. Cynical is a NICE word for the way I feel. This whole primary season has left me with a VERY bad taste in my mouth. :puke:

Don't give up on your guy if he stays in the race. He needs you! Screw the damn media! :grr:

[Eurobabe]

106. Feel your pain

I got deathly sick the day after the NH primary (1/27), after Clark placed 3rd.

I knew then that Wes was not going to make it. And the next day I got the flu like I haven't had in 10 years. Ironically one of my main shoulders to cry on is that of a wise older Dean supporter, (who dates back to McGovern) She has been terrific.

All I can say is, there IS strength in numbers. Keep the faith, Dean has done alot of good for the party. Someone better listen to him, to us. DAMMIT!!

[MaineDem]

107. Noncomformist, I've cried too

I can't tell you how many candidates I've supported who have lost in primaries or generals. It helps to have people with whom you can commiserate. It's a grieving process.

It's tough...I understand how you feel. I think it's wonderful that you are as passionate about your candidate as you are.

Don't give up. When a candidate drops out it doesn't mean the end of democracy; it just shows how it can work.

[Nashyra]

108. Beleive me I know how you feel

but keep that chin up, he has not dropped out and don't listen to anybody, just listen to your heart. If the time comes and he does drop out have a good cry and then find out what your candidate wants his supporters to do. Do not call him a sell out if he endorses anyone. Together the grassroots of the Dean and Clark campaigns can make a difference, we can do the e-block thing and call for senate candidates and house candidates, we can help win the senate or house back. We all did it with e-blocks in our owns candidates campaign so why not put our best effort forward and continue the good work of our candidate. Best Wishes

[PretzelWarrior]

110. well, he partially brought it on himself.

he said he'd quit if he didn't win Wisconsin. This would make him like 0 fer 17 by Feb. 17th. Not exactly compelling case to keep draining funds from other candidates.

But I know how you feel when you use comparison of Bush theft of 2000. Only difference is this one is being done by the voters. THey said, "We're not ready for a Howard Dean in the White House".

[Andromeda]

113. As a Dean supporter this has been a bitter pill

for me to swallow. If it wasn't for Dean the Democratic party would still be saying "yes sir, whatever you want, Mr. Bush." Dean started the dialogue and even some members of the media are admitting it.

Russ Feingold just said it on Hardball just now. Good for him!

I was sad when Wes Clark quit because he was my number two guy. He had everything going for him and I think he would have made a fine president.

I'm still going to hang in there for Dean until he tells us that he's quittng. He is responsible for bringing the passion back into politics and we owe him a debt of gratitude for that. I haven't felt so enthused about a candidate in a long, long time.

As a Democrat I intend to vote for the nominee and if that's Kerry, so be it. This election is too important to risk another Bush term. I know Dr. Dean feels the same way because he's said so many times.

[Piperay]

114. SORRY, I have felt your pain

I literally cried last week when Clark dropped out. :cry: I know it is even harder on Dean supporters because he was in the race longer and his supporters have been backing him so much longer. :hug:

[texasmom]

116. I'm sending a big hug your way...

I've been where you are. I'd turn off the tv (at least the sound) until Dean comes on.
:hug:

[lostnfound]

117. After the breaking..

I swear I way more than half believe it when I say that somewhere love and justice shine. Cynicism falls asleep. Tyranny talks to itself. Sappy slogans all come true. We forget to feed our fear.
- The Weakerthans, Confessions Of A Futon-Revolutionist

"If you allow me to live just a few years in the second half of the twentieth century, I will be happy." Now that's a strange statement to make, because the world is all messed up. The nation is sick. Trouble is in the land. Confusion all around. That's a strange statement. But I know, somehow, that only when it is dark enough, can you see the stars.
- Martin Luther King, "I've Been to the Mountaintop", April 3, 1968.

Anyone who takes the sure road is as good as dead.
- C.G. Jung

Loneliness does not come from having no people about one, but from being unable to communicate the things that seem important to oneself, or from holding certain views which others find inadmissible. - C.G. Jung