do we have any independent, verifiable PROOF that * was in iraq today? (the sets of TDS come to

[niyad]

mind)

[MonkeyFunk]

1. What kind of proof

would you accept? do you think the moon landings were faked on a sound stage, too?

[niyad]

3. nice try on that little diversion. what I would accept is a credible, indiependent source who

actually saw him there-- a non-embedded, european reporter, for example.

[MonkeyFunk]

4. so you think all the american media

reporting this are lying? They're all shuttled to a soundstage somewhere and are filing false reports?

[niyad]

5. I don't trust the msm one little bit, nor does anybody who has two brain cells that arc

[MonkeyFunk]

7. OK

so you think it's possible that all the american media are partaking in a huge scam to pretend the president went to Iraq.

Oooookay.... (steps away slowly)

[MADem]

6. Sometimes, DU makes me laugh.... nt

[liberal N proud]

2. Even if he was, who do they think they are fooling calling it a surprise?

The POTUS does not visit a war zone as a surprise. Pretty stupid for the President to be in a war zone in the first place.

[Catchawave]

8. Looked like an SNL skit ready to happen too....

Remember the one when the troop complained, fuzzy tech difficulties, troop was replaced after the screen cleared?...:rofl:

I'm afraid it's real, but one little overly secured site does not a winnable "Bush War on Terror" make.

[havocmom]

9. I believe it. They have to have reason for LOTS OF SECURITY to pick up that missing $$

Gonzo, cheney, rummy... can't leave that sort of errand to anybody of lesser position or the secrecy and security involved would look suspicious ;)

[MonkeyFunk]

11. So you the President himself

went to Iraq to pick up some cash?

[havocmom]

13. I think he doesn't know why he went to Iraq

but his handlers do.

Picking up cash seems like just what cheney & company would do. All that shadow government costs and so does greasing the skids they need to keep greased.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. So seriously....

you believe they flew there to load Air Force One up with cash?

[havocmom]

15. Takes money to run a shadow government

and buy support

Do you seriously think several pallets of cash just up and evaporated into thin air?

[MonkeyFunk]

17. disappear into thin air?

no, of course not. It was probably stolen/dispersed among crooked Iraqis.

But I don't believe the President himself flew on Air Force One to Iraq to pick up stolen cash. The whole idea is ludicrous. He has people to do that kind of stuff.

[havocmom]

19. He has people for sure. They handle him. He is their cover for the shit they pull

And the shit they pull takes cash.

You think it's ludicrous. That's fine. I think it likely that crooked Iraqis took billions in cash.
What IS ludicrous to me is that the cheney/bush junta DOD sent BILLIONS in cash to Iraq in the first place. Finance worldwide pretty much exists electronically. Problem with that is is leaves a whopping big trail.

Ask your self, 'Why would they send BILLIONS in cash into a war zone?'

Why indeed. No trail and shit gets lost in war zones.

The whole invasion and occupation has just been the cover for the biggest heist in history. The cheney/bush junta drained the US Treasury and all the credit they could get from China and threw it at corporate entities with no real oversight or accountability. The corporations were hired to provide food and water to the troops, something the military used to do for its self. Why? To transfer the money to private corporations, that's why. The troops got untreated river water as a result. The corporation must have saved a bundle on that transaction alone.

Knowing all the no-bid contracts and no oversight of contractors, how could it be hard to consider that the cheney/bush junta also hid a slush fund to use with no paper trail?

Iran Contra ring a bell? Stuff like this has gone on. That they would use highly place officials for the bank runs would make a lot of sense. Need for lots of secrecy and security for those in high places.

To think they would not pull a stunt like this may be just a bit more hopeful than I can muster after watching what these people have done. How many killed? How many maimed? For what?

For money.

[drm604]

10. I can't imagine that they would risk being caught in that kind of lie.

And before you say it, yes they do lie all of the time. But the gains from those lies were (at least in their minds) greater than the risks.

Either that or the consequences of not lying were worse than the risks of lying.

In this case however, the risks would greatly outweigh any potential gain they're getting from this.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

12. I still recall the scene that was televised after Katrina, where Bush was

supposedly visiting a center for evacuees.

Bush and a couple of official-looking types were standing in the foreground, and in the background was what looked like a school gym, with people sitting around on the bleachers and walking back and forth nonchalantly.

Uh...someone as well-known as the Bushboy walks into a crowded open space and is IGNORED? The crowd might be adoring or angry or some combination of the above, but can you imagine being in a situation where Bush and his entourage would walk into a school gym full of people and be ignored?

In contrast, when Oprah Winfrey walked into a similar (or maybe it was the same) gym, the place erupted in cheers the moment she was through the door.

Now with Bush, a good percentage of the crowd might have wanted to hit him over the head with their Red Cross cots instead of cheering him, but they would not have acted as if nothing big was going on.

In that case, I say, "Fake footage with blue screen."

We also know from European sources that Bush's visit to the Mississippi Coast was staged, that the relief distribution site pictured was disassembled after he left, and that the two young women he was shown "comforting" were South African exchange students who attended a university in Florida.

Why couldn't his visit to Iraq be faked as well?

I don't trust anything that the Busheviks do. In the Mississippi case, Bush was "caught in that kind of lie," but only the foreign press reported it.

The U.S. press is intimidated, compromised, and undoubtedly still infiltrated by CIA operatives, only more discreet ones than the ones who were at work in the 1950s.

[onenote]

16. the first time someone made this suggestion on DU I wrote it off as a joke

but apparently there are more completely nuts DUers than I realized.

Yeah, the MSM and all of their technicians and other support people, and the troops photographed with chimpy (presumably recognizable by their families and friends) are all part of a big conspiracy.

I'm assuming that you believe that the troops photo'd with chimpy either were photoshopped in or weren't actually in iraq. Of course, these are real people and their families know whether they are or aren't in iraq (unless of course they were airlifted to the desert).

Hey, maybe no one is really in iraq.

[Superman Returns]

18. allllrighty

some people just need to leave their darkened basements and get away from the computer.