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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 05:39 PM
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Two must read articles about theocrats in government.
This is about so many issues. Our country's future of religious freedom, of separation of church and state. About the rights of women and the rights of the gay community. This article is familiar here at DU. But Sharlett has written another now.

Jesus plus nothing

Undercover among America's secret theocrats

Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.”

The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C. Each year 3,000 dignitaries, representing scores of nations, pay $425 each to attend. Steadfastly ecumenical, too bland most years to merit much press, the breakfast is regarded by the Family as merely a tool in a larger purpose: to recruit the powerful attendees into smaller, more frequent prayer meetings, where they can “meet Jesus man to man.”


And in Mother Jones latest publication.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html">Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics

"For 15 years, Hillary Clinton has been part of a secretive religious group that seeks to bring Jesus back to Capitol Hill. Is she triangulating—or living her faith? "

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

We contacted all of Clinton's Fellowship cell mates, but only one agreed to speak—though she stressed that there's much she's not "at liberty" to reveal. Grace Nelson used to be the organizer of the Florida Governor's Prayer Breakfast, which makes her a piety broker in Florida politics—she would decide who could share the head table with Jeb Bush. Clinton's prayer cell was tight-knit, according to Nelson, who recalled that one of her conservative prayer partners was at first loath to pray for the first lady, but learned to "love Hillary as much as any of us love Hillary." Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in "parliaments all over the world," with all welcome so long as they submit to "the person of Jesus" as the source of their power.

..."Then, as now, Clinton confounded secularists who recognize public faith only when it comes wrapped in a cornpone accent. Clinton speaks instead the language of nondenominationalism—a sober, eloquent appreciation of "values," the importance of prayer, and "heart" convictions—which liberals, unfamiliar with the history of evangelical coalition building, mistake for a tidy, apolitical accommodation, a personal separation of church and state. Nor do skeptical voters looking for political opportunism recognize that, when Clinton seeks guidance among prayer partners such as Coe and Brownback, she is not so much triangulating—much as that may have become second nature—as honoring her convictions. In her own way, she is a true believer.


I am getting concerned about the careless mixing now of religion and government. I see a bill to reduce abortions was passed by our Democrats this week. It has good aspects to it, but it was passed by those who are using their religious views of abortion to pass laws reducing it. There have been renewed attacks on the gay community as a result of the religious right.

I was raised Southern Baptist. My father was a major leader of that church. If he were alive today he would be sickened that a church he helped found would have called my hubby and me unpatriotic for not supporting the Iraq invasion.

He would have been appalled at their sermons of hate.

Enough of this blending. Our nominee should not be getting advice from the Coe family or Brownback. She may need to make decisions.





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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:04 PM
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1. Interesting reading.
The purveyors of meshing church and state probably didn't have this guy in mind:



Mega Millions Lottery Winner Made Pact with Wiccan Gods.

NOTTINGHAM, Md. - One of the ticket holders to the estimated $330 million Mega Millions jackpot said he made a bargain with the multiple gods associated with his wiccan beliefs to become an overnight multimillionaire.

"You let me win the lottery and I'll teach," said Elwood (Bunky) Bartlett, an accountant from Dundalk, Md.

Bartlett said he and his wife, Denise, were on their way to a New Age bookstore where he occasionally teaches wicca and Reiki healing when they stopped at a liquor store and bought two $5 Mega Millions tickets for Friday night's drawing.

Winning tickets to the Mega Millions jackpot were sold in Maryland, New Jersey, Texas and Virginia.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wn_report/2007/09/03/2007-09-03_mega_millions_lottery_winner_made_pact_w.html
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:31 PM
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2. I doubt they did.
Neat picture.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-04-07 06:46 PM
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3. "These days..."
"These days, Clinton has graduated from the political wives' group into what may be Coe's most elite cell, the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. Though weighted Republican, the breakfast—regularly attended by about 40 members—is a bipartisan opportunity for politicians to burnish their reputations, giving Clinton the chance to profess her faith with men such as Brownback as well as the twin terrors of Oklahoma, James Inhofe and Tom Coburn, and, until recently, former Senator George Allen (R-Va.). Democrats in the group include Arkansas Senator Mark Pryor, who told us that the separation of church and state has gone too far; Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) is also a regular."

Does anyone know what other Democrats are in this Senate Prayer Breakfast circle?

The article only mentios Lieberman. I imagine there are others.

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