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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:21 AM Original message |
Obama Beats the Big Dog on Experience |
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Syrinx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:33 AM Response to Original message |
1. nice cherry picking! |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Uh, that's their experience |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
73. "Ran unopposed" isn't slanted? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Oh, that's a real candidate killer right there |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Candidate killer? I love Obama. I just hate bullshit arguments. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Obama and Bill -- 11 years elected experience |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:59 AM Response to Original message |
3. umm... |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. He's got more experience than Bill did when Bill ran n/t |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
5. Nice try! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. but Obama was team captain on his basketball team! |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:21 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. The important thing is that he needs to be our next president, wyld. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. "our" president? This isn't a student council race. He may be experienced for that. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:36 AM Original message |
President of the United States, wyld. Obama is our best choice. He'll make you proud. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
28. I admire you imagination. |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:39 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. It will happen, wyld. In fact, I'll buy you an Obama T-shirt after he wins the nomination. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. place a wager, Katz? |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. What's your idea? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
104. I'll bet $50 in your name to the charity of your choice that Obama ... |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:23 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Definitely, threadworthy... |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Dupe. |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
107. Experience? like Rudy or Bush has more experience then Obama - we know what |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. 'Fact?' I do not think that means what you think it means. That would be in the nature of |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:37 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. In this case, my opinion is a fact: We need Obama to be our next president. |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Governor means you are running something. You can not exclude when it is convenient. |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:10 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. If you read my post, it said |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. It depends on the state. Some have stronger governors in terms of Constitutional power. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. Bill had NO experience at the community level |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. That's Bullshit he worked as a community orgnaizer in the |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Jobs. What did he organize? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. You and the truth seem unacquainted. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. spell it out, it shouldn't be hard n/t |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Well he was involved in organizing the English version of the Vietnam Moratorium |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Dedicated years of work, responsible organizing |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. OK |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Who was put down in this thread?? n/t |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. You blew off his accomplishments with a pithy insinuation that he wasn't the key guy |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. No, I compared Work Experience |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. So statewide Prez campaign coordinator and leading voter reg drive don't count as work experience? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Where McGovern got 33% of the vote? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Yes because Texas is the same as Illinois. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. In 1972?? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:15 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. You think Lyndon Johnson democrats were the same as McGovern ones? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. I think 1972 was hopeless, but 33% is sad sad sad |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:18 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. and I was "Hall Monitor" in Junior High School |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Working in poor communities doesn't matter to you? |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. this thread is an embarrassment to Obama supporters who |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. *I* put 11 years of Elected Experience against 11 years |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. Except Bill did have work experience, you just decided to omit it. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. He organized the failing Texas Presidential campaign |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. He was also a law professor, just like Obama. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. They both had 11 years elected experience, It's The Experience, Stupid |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. It isn't a nerve. Your post is just factually inaccurate. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. In 1992 - Bill had 11 years elected experience - wtf?? |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:04 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Your error is in believing the two men's 'elected experience' is equal. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Illinois State Senate vs arkansas?? |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I did too, and you're entirely wrong. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Their experience is the same, 11 years |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. look out for the swift boaters on this argument |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. 11 years elected experience |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:31 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. this kind of nonsense isn't helping Obama |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
110. The naked reality is that they are poor because |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:50 AM Response to Reply #110 |
116. The poor are "less smart" than the not so poor? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
6. That is not the experience we mean. |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:37 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. That is not experience. That is just fighting and I for one am sick of scandals and fighting |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:41 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. He's the last person who'll be fighting ; and no scandals. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. Six years of rolling over for Bush |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:18 AM Response to Original message |
8. Community Organizer? Project Vote? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
58. 3 years of organizing low income people? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. Why do people dismiss his role as community organizer? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. Thread Thrashers - don't care what they're saying |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
9. Wow... I'm for Obama, but this is... I don't know... |
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zanne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Read up on his positions and his plans. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
42. If he's not as qualified as Bill was |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
108. What experience did henry Ford have? when he needed an answer he simply pushed a button |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
13. Bill isn't running, |
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Laurab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #13 |
117. Thank you, I was going to mention that. n/t |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
19. Why did you mention Obama's work as a law school lecturer but not Clinton's as law school professor? |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
20. I have seen the Big Dog, sir, and Obama is no Big Dog. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Thank god Obama is no big dog. Maybe because Obama is ethical and honest. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
43. for absolute certain, |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:17 PM Response to Reply #22 |
111. Have you heard about Obama's shady real-estate deal in Chicago? |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
21. What I don't get is why Obama's years as a state senator and even |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. Because Obama's supporters |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
55. Hillary would not be considered seriously if she had not also served in the Senate |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:15 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Obama and Bill, 11 years a piece; more than Hillary n/t |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:19 AM Response to Original message |
23. That's funny!!!! Thanks for the laugh! |
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Netbeavis (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
24. You are comparing 8 years of Community Organizer with 13 of elected higher office? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. 11 yrs elected office to 11 yrs elected office |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
25. My local Clerk of Court has been in office longer than any of them... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 09:38 AM Response to Reply #25 |
29. but was he the captain of his basketball team? |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. He'll be our next president, and he will make Bill Clinton proud. |
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Netbeavis (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. President of the re-elect Hillary in '12 committee maybe |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. Hillary will be in the speaker's circuit will Obama runs for reelection in '12. |
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Netbeavis (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. Slow down and proof read before you post. Try again. |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
40. yes, but did he sponsor anything? |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
33. scanning the skies for flying pigs... |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
34. In addition, Obama was honorary judge of the homemade pie contest at the 1992 Illinois State Fair. |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
36. No, sorry you haven't made your case. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 12:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. well, maybe that's why he's losing n/t |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. lol, maybe |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
87. Right, because the OP's argument has made so many of us like Obama even more! |
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BenDavid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
38. Oh my my....As former president bush |
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cd3dem (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
39. 18 years of running a family.... |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
71. You sure you wanna pick a fight with Bill? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #71 |
90. No dear, 11 years, Eleven |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. "Illinois State House vs Governor of Arkansas?? Yeah, I compare the two completely." |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. See #92, people should |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. I want to beat republicans, not former Democratic Presidents. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. You can't win the primary without beating #1 |
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Ninja Jordan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Huh? Obama has plenty of experience--at least as much as Hillary. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. No, how Rush operates is accusing others of his own behavior and being dishonest |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
83. Are you on crack? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
103. Kick AND Recommend |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:20 PM Response to Original message |
106. K&R, and it wasn't Clinton's "experience" that won him the nomination.... |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
109. Think about what bush's "experience" did for us, Obama could run circles around the "experienced" |
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alittlelark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-06-07 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
113. I Understand your passion..... |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
114. Desperation brings out the silly nonsense. Very sad |
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Netbeavis (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
115. Arkansas: Red State - Clinton a Dem hold governorship for 10 year |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-07-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. So now we are saying that Red-Staters of THIS century love all things Clinton? LOL! |
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Netbeavis (291 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-08-07 09:11 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. I'm saying that Bill could get elected & re-elected where few fear to tread. |
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