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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:25 PM
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Senator Durbin No More Money Without Iraq Withdrawl Strategy

Looks like the Senior Senator from Illinois is not going along with the rest of the democratic leadership and is refusing to vote to fund without a withdrawl strategy.
Senator Durbin is an awesome senator for us here in Illinois.



Assistant Senate Majority Leader Dick Durbin promised today that he would no longer vote to fund the war in Iraq unless the money is tied to a withdrawal strategy.

Durbin, the second-ranking Democrat in the Senate, has been a consistent critic of the war in Iraq but is a pragmatic party leader attuned to political reality. The Illinois senator voted against authorization for the war in 2002 but has since voted for the emergency funding packages that have financed the war.

Durbin’s commitment--and a forceful speech he delivered against new funding for Bush’s war strategy--positions an influential Senate leader in favor of a hard line at a moment when some Democrats are signaling a willingness to compromise on war funding.

Congress is preparing for a struggle over continuation of the troop build-up in Iraq following a report on progress to be delivered next week by Gen. David Petraeus, the U.S. military commander in Iraq, and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker. The White House has indicated it will request a supplemental funding package of approximately $40 billion to pay for continuing the Bush Administration’s “surge” strategy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:27 PM
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1. good for him!
I've always liked him.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:35 PM
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2. at least Illinois has ONE democratic senator with that sensibility nt
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:42 PM
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3. Good to hear that he's following John Edwards' leadership!
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:48 PM
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7. Too bad Edwards didn't follow Durbin's leadership
When it mattered. We wouldn't be in this godforsaken mess.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:10 PM
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10. If Durbin exhibited such great leadership, why did the IWR pass? Oh, right, everything rested...
... on Edwards. He was the one that singlehandedly passed the IWR & pulled out the inspectors & ordered the invasion. Damn, what a powerful man he must be for being one of 100 Senators.

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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:48 AM
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15. Edwards ** DID ** cosponsor IWR. n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:02 AM
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17. No one said that
Bush pulled out the inspectors and ordered the invasion, which at that time Edwards supported and spoke in favor of at several pre-primary events in 2003. the fact is that if the IWR failed, we would still have gone to war.

Why are you attacking Durbin, who seems one of the nicest Senators, who is not running for President? The IWR passed because all the Republicans were behind it as were Zell Miller, Leiberman, and a few others from the very beginning. Many Senators, including Durbin, then worked to make the bill less bad than it originally was (and succeeded in fixing some of the problems identified by Gore and others). Durbin wrote an amendment that explicitly limited the reason to attack to WMD, but it failed - Edwards voted against it.

Grouped By Vote Position
YEAs ---30
Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Torricelli (D-NJ)
Wellstone (D-MN)
Wyden (D-OR)


NAYs ---70
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bond (R-MO)
Breaux (D-LA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Campbell (R-CO)
Carnahan (D-MO)
Chafee (R-RI)
Cleland (D-GA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Daschle (D-SD)
DeWine (R-OH)
Domenici (R-NM)
Edwards (D-NC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (D-FL)
Gramm (R-TX)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Helms (R-NC)
Hollings (D-SC)
Hutchinson (R-AR)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Miller (D-GA)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nickles (R-OK)
Reid (D-NV)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-NH)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thompson (R-TN)
Thurmond (R-SC)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00236

An Edwards' supporter bashing Durbin for not being able to do something impossible, when he did do everything in his power, makes no sense. Re-fighting the IWR battle is not a good for Edwards.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:11 PM
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20. I have spent many hours on DU defending Dick Durbin
from deluded Edwards supporters who will go to any lengths to demean his reputation in the interest of making Edwards' failures of leadership seem palatable. Saying Durbin is following Edwards' leadership, as you do, is not quite in that class; however, it has the same end. Because Edwards has spent six years running for president, updating and revising his platform, issues papers and history to suit his political needs, in some demented race to say I WAS FIRST! does not make him a leader and does not mean somebody like Durbin would ever follow him.

Dick Durbin was on the Intelligence Committee with Edwards. Dick Durbin knows first hand, I'd suppose, that in the face of the full intelligence supplied the committee, Edwards coldly and calculatedly decided to carry Bush's banner into war and co-sponsor the IWR for Bush, hawk it for Bush, and turn around and leave the Senate and Senators like Dick Durbin to clean up after him.

He (Edwards) did not feel the information he got as a member of the Senate Intelligence committee in the lead-up to the Iraq war was inconsistent with what the administration was saying publicly. Another member of the panel, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., has said the classified information the committee got directly contradicted the public case for war.

“My view was that the evidence was very consistent about weapons of mass destruction. It turns out it was wrong,” Edwards said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=3152277




October 2002

Durbin: “I serve on the Intelligence Committee and I would not disclose anything I learned there because it is classified and top secret, but some things I can say because they are public knowledge… There is scant if little evidence that Iraq has a nuclear weapon. “

http://durbin.senate.gov/issues/iraq101002a.cfm

Edwards: My position is very clear: The time has come for decisive action to eliminate the threat posed by Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. I am a co-sponsor of the bipartisan resolution we’re currently considering. Saddam Hussein’s regime is a grave threat to America and our allies — including our vital ally, Israel. ...
At the end of the day, there must be no question that America and our allies are willing to use force to eliminate the threat of Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction once and for all. And I believe if America leads, the world will join us.


Though shorn of the original resolution's more sweeping language, the measure approved by Congress is clear. It expands presidents' powers and undercuts Adams' doctrine of defense. On Thursday, Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.) warned: "We have said historically we are a defensive nation. This new foreign policy ... is a dramatic departure from that.... I beg and caution my colleagues to think twice about that."

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/2002/1011resolution.htm




In November 2005 Senator Bob Graham wrote:

At a meeting of the Senate intelligence committee on Sept. 5, 2002, CIA Director George Tenet was asked what the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) provided as the rationale for a preemptive war in Iraq. An NIE is the product of the entire intelligence community, and its most comprehensive assessment. I was stunned when Tenet said that no NIE had been requested by the White House and none had been prepared. Invoking our rarely used senatorial authority, I directed the completion of an NIE.

Tenet objected, saying that his people were too committed to other assignments to analyze Saddam Hussein’s capabilities and will to use chemical, biological and possibly nuclear weapons. We insisted, and three weeks later the community produced a classified NIE.

There were troubling aspects to this 90-page document. While slanted toward the conclusion that Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction stored or produced at 550 sites, it contained vigorous dissents on key parts of the information, especially by the departments of State and Energy. Particular skepticism was raised about aluminum tubes that were offered as evidence Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear program. As to Hussein’s will to use whatever weapons he might have, the estimate indicated he would not do so unless he was first attacked.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802397.html


Five of the nine Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee, including Graham and Durbin, ultimately voted against the resolution, but they were unable to convince other committee members or a majority in the Senate itself. This was at least in part because they were not allowed to divulge what they knew: While Graham and Durbin could complain that the administration’s and Tenet’s own statements contradicted the classified reports they had read, they could not say what was actually in those reports.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0630selling.htm


They couldn't say, but they would do their best to dissuade their colleagues to vote NO. Edwards couldn't say, either, but he would do his best to persuade his colleagues to vote YES.

Where was the leadership?

It was Graham, Durbin and Levin who insisted the National Intelligence Estimate be submitted to the Intelligence Committee; not John Edwards.

It was Graham, Durbin and Levin who read the NIE and found the discrepancies between the conclusions and the intel; not John Edwards and he was the ONLY member of that committee NOT to read it (or so he says now) .

It was Graham, Durbin and Levin who insisted a declassified version of the NIE be released to Congress; not John Edwards.

It was Graham, Durbin and Levin who implored their colleagues with lesser security clearances to vote against the IWR; it was John Edwards encouraged the YES votes.

It was Durbin and Levin who offered two of the alternative amendments, which would have restricted Bush's powers; it was John Edwards who voted against every one of them.

It was Durbin who said in August of 2005: " I walked out of those <2002 intelligence committee> hearings having heard something that was truthful and accurate and picked up the newspaper and saw someone from the White House or administration has just said the opposite, or they've said it much differently. I am bound by law not to go to the press and say, something's wrong here. I can't do it."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/21/cp.01.html

It was Edwards who said in November of 2005: "Almost three years ago we went into Iraq to remove what we were told — and what many of us believed and argued — was a threat to America. But in fact we now know that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction when our forces invaded Iraq in 2003. The intelligence was deeply flawed and, in some cases, manipulated to fit a political agenda."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/11/AR2005111101623_pf.html


In fact, Edwards knew then. He couldn't have sat on that committee and not known. Edwards knew and chose not to lead and then abandoned his responsibility to run for president. So do not hold John Edwards up as a leader compared to Dick Durbin. There is simply no comparison.

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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:26 PM
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21. Thanks WD,
:thumbsup:

This revisionist BS designed to sugar-coat Edwards' record and performance gets to be too much. John Edwards is NO Dick Durbin and never will be.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 01:14 PM
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23. Great list of Durbin's record.
It seems that one of my two senators cannot do enough to satisfy some people.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:28 PM
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8. Durbin voted against the war and for Kerry/Feingold - the first bill to put real constraints
on Bush. Edwards did NOT endorse Kerry/Feingold or suggest people vote for it. In June 2006, his position was closer to where Kerry was in 2004. Durbin was AHEAD of Edwards.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:04 PM
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9. And what has Durbin been doing since then?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:46 AM
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14. Durbin has been trying with Kerry and others
Edited on Sat Sep-08-07 10:05 AM by karynnj
to move enough Senators to get 67 votes behind something real. The reality is that this is extremely difficult. They, not Edwards, moved the discussion in the country to have a large majority of people behind the need to change policy. The ISG has pretty much recommended the same thing. Bush is a lame duck. The key now is to continue to push for the right policy. It is especially important for people in states represented by Republicans up for office to keep pushing their Senators. The momentum for this has gone from 13 to 52 in one year. It is slow, but that is reality. I think it is extremely likely that Durbin, who is the whip and was for it in 2006, had something to do with this improvement.

What exactly did Edwards do?
In 2002, he co-sponsored, defended and voted for the IWR.
In 2003, he said through the late fall that he still thought invading was the right thing to do even though he had never thought there were WMD. Other than Leiberman, he was the most pro-war of the Democrats
In 2005, he put out his op ed saying he was wrong. In that same op-ed, there was a very vague plan of what he would do. It was not all that different than what Kerry had proposed in 2004. It was nowhere as innovative or solid a plan as Kerry's October 2005, the path forward.
In 2006, he stuck with his 2005 plan through at least the first half of the year and did not lend his voice to back Kerry/Feingold. Doing that, at that time, was a political risk. Durbin voted for it.
In 2007, Edwards recreated himself as an antiwar radical. This has mostly been done bashing the Democrats in the Congress. It has also been done by him re-writing history. Suddenly, he is speaking of his vote for and then against the $87 billion as having been a vote to defund the war! That was not what he said in 2003 or 2004 - and he is ON TAPE (Hardball) as still supporting at the time of the vote.

Even now, Edwards is very unlikely to say that he recommends defunding the war immediately by not sending Bush a bill. He was a Senator - how does he think they can get a bill that ties funding to a withdrawal plan? The only thing he has said is that they should continue sending a bill, like the one earlier this year that Bush vetoed back until Bush signs it. The problem is that we only had 51 Senators and we would have some who are unwilling to vote to resend the same thing - therefore it is not workable.

This is Edwards playing to the anti-war crowd. Read Kerry's DKos diary from last week. Edwards would be more helpful if he supported people like Durbin, Feingold and Kerry, who are all not running for President and are working as hard as they can to find a real way to push W. (They have had some limited success. Warner put the Kerry/Feingold call for a summit into the defense bill last fall - by voice vote.)

I hadn't thought of it, but I wish Durbin were running for President. I would vote for him over anyone running. His positions on most things are impeccable, he is a genuinely nice, midwestern guy.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 12:27 PM
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22. Thank you too karynnj.
:thumbsup:
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:49 PM
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4. I am amazed. We were at a small meeting where he shilled for
Obama a couple days ago and he said that he felt he had to go along. He left quickly after that so I had no chance to question his comment.
Good Job Senator. Had me fooled
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:11 PM
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11. Wait & see how he votes.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:25 PM
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5. Wow, he's in the leadership too
and Reid is saying the opposite. There might be some hope yet
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:39 PM
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6. Msongs and ruralib, thanks . I see you are both Sen. Obama's supporters
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:21 PM
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12. Go back and forth all you want, Im just happy someone is stepping up.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:15 AM
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18. I'll second that
See, Democrats? It's not so very hard. Durbin will get some uninformed bleating from the dead-enders who still support Bush, but I'll bet a shiny nickel that his popularity in Illinois will rise because of this. I hope he's willing to put some legislative muscle behind these sentiments, up to threatening a filibuster of the supplemental funding bill, and following through with a filibuster. Let's line 'em up and see who stands with the people and who stands with this disastrous imperial occupation.
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:24 AM
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19. "threatening ... and following through with a filibuster."
Now there is an interesting idea.



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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:44 PM
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13. Finally, a ray of sun. n/t
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jmp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:55 AM
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16. "he would no longer vote to fund the war in Iraq ..."
But there WILL be a bill voted on that isn't tied to a withdrawal date ... right?

Talk is cheap. I care about results.


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