Why is Mary Bobo's engagement to Connie Mack not a sex scandal? She was married to Glenn Baxsey

[saracat]

while she was involved with her fellow congressman.She then divorced her husband, and has now announced her engagement to Mack with whom she had a two year relationship! If this was a male. we would jump all over it! And as this is between 2 congresspersons isn't that a violation of taxpayer expense and if fooling around on the taxpayers dime was wrong for Clinton, what is the difference here, except she is a woman.It is still "adultery ".And what about Connie Mack, he was married at the time too!He didn't get a divorce till 2006! Inquiring minds want to know! Why is this not being questioned? Even the Freepers are all over this story but we think it is okay? Why?

[jobycom]

1. She's a Republican, it would be more startling if she wasn't cheating.

[saracat]

2. But why is this not as big a deal as Hyde or Livingston, or even Vitter ? This is 2 congresspeople!

[jobycom]

3. The media is the PR department for the Republican Party. nt

[Bucky]

4. I think I've heard of Connie Mack. I don't know & don't care about these other people

I only clicked on this thread because of the word "sex scandal." She's in love and she's now getting married. BFD. Sheesh...

[saracat]

6. Really? So Mack committing adultery and Bono committing adultery each leaving

spouse and kids for each other while shagging on the taxpayer dime doesn't bother you? Might interest some to know that this 'Love' caused make to sell the family home out from under his wife and kids.Repuke family values.But you don't know these people so you don't care?

[Bucky]

7. No it doesn't bother me. It's his penis. I'm pretty sure it's not paid for by tax dollars

[Milo_Bloom]

11. You didn't get your Connie Mack Cock bill this year?? (nt)

[mitchtv]

27. yes but the Congressional cloke room is paid for by us

they've been whispering about this for a long time.

[Milo_Bloom]

10. So what?

I didn't care about Gary Hart's or Clinton's adulterous relationship, why should anyone suddenly get all riled up over this one?

Seems incredibly hypocritical to do so.

[saracat]

15. They are the hypocrites.They value the so called sanctity of marriage? And

preach "family values" and throw their kids out of their home? Neither Gary hart or Clinton did that and I was not pleased with their conduct either but they didn't hurt their kids for a peice of tail while preaching morality!

[Milo_Bloom]

16. Quotes please...

I would like to see some quotes from these people "preaching morality".

If you can dig them up, you are correct to call them out.

If you cannot, it is time to cut the hypocrisy.

[saracat]

18. Just look at their voting records.I can't believe you defend these jerks!

[Milo_Bloom]

19. No quotes? I thought not.

There is also a big difference between "defending" and not being an idiotic hypocrite.

[saracat]

20. Why do you need quotes when someone votes for the DOMA and against gay amrriage and is against

choice? I can find some quotes but I have a funeral to go to of a great Democrat.More later ! See ya.I am not the hypocrite.They are!

[Milo_Bloom]

21. Different issues entirely.

When you find specific quotes, let me know, until then, I will keep you in the hypocrite category.

[saracat]

22. And BTW, what proff do you have that I am a hypocrite? You would have to know that

I approved of their actions and then condemned them for me to be a hypocrite on this matter. And I have never endorsed marital infidelity or the breakup of families.

[Milo_Bloom]

23. So you think Clinton should have been lambasted for his behavior?

It was okay for the GOP to make a huge issue out of his suspected infidelity during the primaries and then it was okay for them to rake him over the coals while he was President. (impeachment was obviously idiotic), but you approved of them making a huge story out of it?

Good to know.

[saracat]

28. Yes. Once caught, Clinton it was right to censure Clinton. That being said, it was wrong to

investigate him for those actions because that was beyond the purview of the Special Prosecutor. But that did not make what Clinton did excusable.He violated his oath to be faithful to his spouse.People who cannot keep vows should not make them.

[Milo_Bloom]

33. I am looking forward to all your future posts on democrats behavior...

... by all means, each time one of them violates some private oath, lets call them out for it, since we are so intent on doing the same for the other side.

I am guessing you are just covering for the obviousness of your hypocricy, since it has now been exposed, but if you want to live your life in the personal lives of others, I guess that is your choice.

[saracat]

35. You still have offered no "proof of my so called "hypocrisy"

If like Bono and Mack, I had a different standard for others than I had for myself that would indeed be hypocritical, if I gave Clinton a pass but criticized others that would be hypocritical.I cannot see where I am hypocritical in the least.

[Milo_Bloom]

37. Very simply, I don't believe you.

I don't believe you agreed with Clinton getting dragged across hot coals. I don't believe it in the least.

I certainly haven't seen posts by you every time a democrat cheats on their spouse, only outraged cries that the press isn't giving enough attention to republican sex scandals.

When I see your follow up posts, as you stick your nose into the private lives of all public officials will I remove the claim of hypocricy from you.

[saracat]

41. I have no idea what you are talking about.the fact that you don't believe

my statement about disapproving of Clinton cheating on his wife is your "proof" that I am a hypocrite? You are really strange Milo and thank God , not representative of most Democrats.I guess you find it hard to believe I judge both Democrats and Republicans by the same standards when it comes to martital fidelity.No one forces anyone to marry.But if they choose to take such vows and break them, I do not have any respect for that behavior.They can divorce and remarry but cheating while married is vile to me.I have no respect for what Clinton did anymore than Guliani and I cannot think why you think I should.But drift off into whatever reality you exist in and be happy!

[Milo_Bloom]

45. Try to understand what is written...

First, your lack of posts about others is the proof.

Second, no one said you have to "respect" anything. There are lots of things people do that others don't respect, but it is none of their business.

Luckily, you are not represenative of most democrats, most of use don't JUDGE anyone based on marital fidelity... since over 80% of the population gets divorced OR cheats on their spouse, I guess it is pretty lucky there are more people who keep their noses out, than stick them in.

[saracat]

48. First of all, I had previously posted what I thought about Clinton, and I have previously stated tha...

Russ Feingold could not be elected President because of his marital record.I also have repeatedly posted my disdain for Rudy Guliani but you can believe what you choose to believe.
In our Democratic lineup for the presidency there has only been one divorce.And that was Kucinich.Many Democrats are very proud of that fact that in contrast to the GOP who have been married multiple times, our people look stable and able to keep a commitment.

I find it very sad that you have no understanding of honor or the ability to keep an oath and its importance.Whether a candidate can keep his word to the American people is "our business' and a person who can't maintain his basic oath to the one who is most important to him is not to be trusted with the state.This is one of the reasons that people are looking to the Democratic Field this time.It is not the only reason, but it is one of the reasons.If you are not aware that most Americans and most Democrats value marital stability,you don't know anything about politics!

And BTW, I am aware that one of those "Democratic marriages" is Clinton's who I have "lambasted" for his behavior. The Clinton's remain married for exactly those reasons I posted. Unlike some, they understand that the perception of fidelity is important and they had to repair what Bill damaged.

Honor is a very important aspect of our American culture, and honor begins with the "honoring of your word"' when you take an oath.It is sad that you do not appreciate that signifigance.

[Milo_Bloom]

49. Yep, none of our business...

Some of us have the ability to seperate private life from public life, some of us don't.

Some of us understand that our ability to do a job has absolutely nothing to do with our private lives, some of us don't.

I understand that most Americans don't care about divorce anymore, because it is a reality and the democrats attempting to make issues out of it only show how out of touch they are with the realities of America.


When you learn to keep your nose out of other people's business, let me know, until then, you will continue to be disatisfied as you judge people by that which you have no right.

[saracat]

51. You apparently refuse to comprehend, this is NOT about divorce.

It is about LYING and dishonesty, and lack of honor.Divorce can happen for many reasons that are none of our business, but inability to honor an oath is not one of them. Nor is the abandonment of children.And if you think Americans don't care about such things anymore you are the one divorced from reality!

I have no intention of ever not looking for honor as a quality in our candidates.I am proud of the fact that our candidates, unlike their counterparts in the GOP, DO have honor and I am sorry that you live in such a nasty negative world that has no respect for fidelity.

And I will continue to judge Mary Bono and Connie Mack by the standards they deserve and they are both "trash".

And I am not "dissatisfied" in the least!

[Milo_Bloom]

54. Still none of your business...

Its funny, I care far more about people's votes on issues, like the Iraq war, bankrupcy bill and other things that ACTUALLY effect people's lives, rather than getting caught up in their personal lives.

I'll take a candidate who regularly visits prostitutes behind his/her partner's back, but understands how their votes effect others, over someone who has managed to keep their personal scandals secret, but doesn't know how to vote on the issues.

The only trash I see are the people who support candidates who helped send our people off to die and/or kill citizens of a foreign country.

As for people's personal lives, I just have enough sense not to judge them by it. You will learn the same one day.

[saracat]

52. And BTW, Notice the quotes from the hypocritcal BONO? Miss impeachmet herself!

Now there is your hypocrite! I found your "quotes" in the congressional record!

[Milo_Bloom]

55. Link.

Supply a link to these quotes where she is specifically against infidelity.

If you can't, just stop making an idiot out of yourself.

[saracat]

58. Congratulations! in 4 years you are the first person I have considered rude

and nasty enough to place on ignore.You are not capable of a civil disussion! Bye!

[Milo_Bloom]

59. Guess that is what happens when you can't supply the goods.

Good luck with your moral crusade.

[dsc]

24. Marriage is marriage

and Mack voted to 'protect' marriage from me while having an affair with Bono. He is a sleezy, scummy, hypocrite who has no business protecting marriage if he can't protect his own.

[Milo_Bloom]

25. Different issue and incredibly hypocritical.

I am 100% for gay marriage and think anyone who doesn't support it entirely shouldn't be in office; however, I can also see the distinction between trying to claim that "marriage" is between and man and a woman and whether someone should be dragged across hot coals for having an affair.

Second, Clinton SIGNED the DOMA, so because he signed the DOMA and had an affair it is OKAY with you that the right wing and the press spent so much time attacking CLinton for his affair? (again, I am not talking about the idiotic impeachement), I am talking about the coverage of the affair, which, if I remember right, pretty much everyone on the left was saying was a personal matter and none of anyone's business.

But, by your reasoning, not only was it people's business, but it was okay because he signed the DOMA, right???

[dsc]

26. I was in favor of Clinton resigning for that affair

I was only against impeachment due to Starr's over the top actions. The simple fact is that it is totally, utterly, and completely hypocritical to simultaniously call people like me too immoral to get married and have affairs. It is the definition of hypocrisy.

[Milo_Bloom]

32. If you are cool with everyone being held to the same standard...

... then there is no hypocricy. However, every democratic affair should then receive the same attention.

Frankly, I don't care one bit what goes on in someone's private life and think one of CLinton's worst acts as president was signing the DOMA, but I can also see that the two things are not related in the least.

[dsc]

34. No, not everyone

Any politician who doesn't engage in telling others what to do in that regard gets a free pass with his personal life. So, to use one example, Jerry Nadler gets a free pass as he has never favored any kind of government involvement in personal lives.

[saracat]

36. Thank you dsc. Great post.I agree 100%

[Milo_Bloom]

38. So Clinton doesn't get a pass? Nor does Edwards, right?

[dsc]

40. Edwards hasn't had an affair

Hell, he has to be every wife's dream. Handsome, rich and faithful. If he ever decides to go gay I will be first in line. But Bill Clinton doesn't as I said. As for Hillary, she was the wronged spouse and decided to say with him. I couldn't have made that decision but feel that either decision is fine.

[Milo_Bloom]

56. But he did support DOMA, which means he gets EXTRA scrutiny, right?

That is the issue that decides it for you, isn't it?

[dsc]

60. It is one of them

but he isn't having an affair. No one suggests he is.

[Milo_Bloom]

61. Its funny...

I would think actually restricting someone else's civil is MORE important than what they do in their private lives, but I guess some people are more interested in what someone personally DOES rather than how their actions effect others.

[dsc]

62. The entire thread

and yours and my discussion was about WHEN AFFAIRS BY A CANDIDATE ARE RELEVENT. I said, and have not waivered from, the idea that affairs are relevent when the person is a hypocrite by trying to protect marriage by restricting it from others. Surely all things equal I would prefer all candidates to have my position on marriage. But they don't. Only Gravel has consistantly held that gays and lesbians should have the right to marry and that is probably soley because he wasn't in public life when it became a huge issue in 1996. Kucinich supported DOMA as a candidate for the House in 1996 and every other candidate either supported it then and supports it now or supports it now. (All of them would remove the restrictions on the feds recognizing marriages but none of them would remove the ability of states not to recognize other states marriages). Thus any candidate I will vote for has at best a mixed record on this.

But, again, this thread was about when affairs are relevent and when they aren't. One of the many reasons they become relevent is supporting measures which limit marriage. I also think if a person supports any public position on grounds of Christian morality then their inability to live up to Christian morality becomes an issue. That would make people who refuse to support stem cell research, favor making abortion illegal, and other such policies possibly have affairs become relevent as well.

[Milo_Bloom]

63. And the point is that they are never REALLY relevant.

unless that candidate has specifically spoken out against affairs and/or tried to legislate against it, which in this case the people never did. The original poster tried to lie her way out of it by posting a link to an article which said the exact opposite of what she claimed and then when called out, decided to run and hide.

In your most recent post, you are trying to have it just your own way. ANY issue can be turned into a "christian morality" issue, but many of them are not that simple.

The DOMA was justified as a "state's right" issue and although I think it is an abonible law, I refuse to draw my definitions so loosly as to call it a "christian morality" issue and thus attack everyone who voted for it for any lapse in "christian morality".

If I went that route, I think John Edwards disgusting vote to kill innocent Iraq's and Americans is far more "anti-christian" than two congresspeople having an affair.

[dsc]

64. The fact is that both Bono and Mack spoke out against Clinton

and Bono voted to Impeach him. Mack voted for the Constitutional amendment to ban states from legalizing gay marriage (so much for state's rights). It is very hard to say that isn't hypocrisy. So yes the affairs become relevent. I guess it is possible that any of these stands could be taken for other than moral reasons but it is highly unlikely.

[Milo_Bloom]

65. She didn't speak out against the AFFAIR

She spoke out against the "lying under oath" thing, which tons of people loved to pile onto, but in her speech, she absolutely drew the distinction and the entire "what about the children" section was about the "respecting the rule of law", not about the sex part.

That is where the OP lied, trying to claim that she did and then trying to call her out for hypocrisy when it isn't even what she said.

[dsc]

66. Then why didn't she speak out about Delay

who also lied under oath (in a suit regarding his extermination company). And what is your excuse for Mack?

[Milo_Bloom]

67. And for THAT they should be attacked, but not for their consensual affair. (nt)

[dsc]

68. I must admit that in her case I will cut some slack as she didn't

vote for the marriage amendment. But he gets none.

[saracat]

31. Quotes Mary Bono on Clinton Impeachment"what do we tell the children"

[saracat]

29. Really.Check out Mary Bono on the Clinton Impeachement and Monica.I will find a link.

She was a real bulldog for impeachemnt and quite the purveyor of "marital morals"

[saracat]

30. Here is a quote.BTW she is the one that came up with "What about the children" regarding Clinton!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/bonotext121198.htm

[Milo_Bloom]

57. Not even close.

This entire quote is about LYING, not about the sex in the scandal.

So I guess you are withdrawing your claim of hypocricy? Probably not, you are too wrapped up in other people's bedrooms.

[onenote]

14. and you know all of the facts of this, how?

Jeez. Mack filed for divorce in August 2005 (two years ago) and Bono filed in September 2005. Their relationship became public in January 2006.

I'm assuming you've been skulking around their bedrooms so you know exactly how long they were involved with each other before their marriages effectively ended (which may well have occurred even before they filed for divorce).

[saracat]

17. Macks Divorce was in August 2006 I googled it Mary's was in 2005

And "effectively eneded" was NOT divorced and yeah, I have a problem with that. And I have a huge problem when there are kids involved and they are thrown out of their home.

[onenote]

43. first, your facts are wrong and second, if you have a problem with this

then you probably have a problem with a lot of Democrats as well as repubs.

First, as to the facts -- Mack's divorce was announced in August 2005, not 2006. Here's a link to an October 2005 article

http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=MACK-BONO-10-14-05

Second, according to one published report, there were 28 divorced members of Congress in 2006, 18 Democrats and 10 repubs. If you don't think infidelity played a role in a number of those divorces, then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

[Maribelle]

44. Mack announced he was "separating" in Aug 2005

His divorce happened a year later.

But the scandal is not the divorce, per se.

He used his wife to get elected. Brought her to Fort Myers to pretend they lived in the district where he was seeking election. Just like the corrupt Cheney did by taking up residency in Wyoming. Name recognition is the only thing that got the zero Mack elected. Once taking office - he booted the wife and kids charade and took up with Bono.


Cornelius McGillicuddy IV is an inherent liar, right down to the fake names he uses just like his did used it.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/aug/05/rep_macks_divorce_final_settlement_reached/

[saracat]

46. Thank you.

[saracat]

47. This is very sad.I do NOT find this acceptable no matter who it is.

Honor means something to me.I am sorry an oath means nothing to some.

[mac56]

5. She's a Republican. That makes it okay.

Everybody knows that.

:sarcasm:

[beyurslf]

8. Once they get married, are we really supposed to believe they will live in

separate houses? How can they represnet 2 different districts?

[Canuckistanian]

9. Why do you care?

The only reason I think most of us would be interested is if they broke any laws, either of a sexual nature or financial.

What two consenting adults do with their own personal lives is their own business.

[saracat]

12. Because these are the people who proclaim it is all about the "childre" as their Dad throws them out

of their home.And don't they also preach about the santcity of marriage?

[sandnsea]

13. Too many sex scandals to keep up with

I don't think anybody knew about the sleeping arrangements of a couple of nobody right wingers.

[mitchtv]

39. Why isn't this chickenhawk in the service?

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Bonos: Hot!
As seen in Heard On the Hill today, we present the MySpace page of Chesare “Chez” Bono, son of Sonny and Mary (R-CA).
Chez is far less reticent than other political children to discuss his family on public websites:

hey whats up, for all u who don’t know me my name is Chesare Bono, most people know me as Chez. Son of Mary and Sonny bono, i’ve been born and raised in Palm Springs Cali. I live life on the wild side, i love to party, kick it with the homies, and jam out on the guitar.

[orleans]

42. first i've heard of it. n/t

[nealmhughes]

50. Because she is a Thetan Class Omega and all of us are agents of Xenu.

Plus no one outside of Palm Springs gives a rodent's rectum about her.

[MODemocrat]

53. There are so many republican scandals, it's hard to keep up with them

Both of them were committing adultery; so much for the family values party; according to the repubs,
it's only bad if it's a Democrat involved; then they spend Ninety million dollars investigating their
personal lives. and march two bits in front of the cameras in order to make their case. :+ :eyes: